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New Patent Suit Threatens Bluetooth Standard

Aditi.Tuteja writes "A U.S. research institute has sued Nokia, Samsung Electronics and Matsushita-owned Panasonic for violating a patent on Bluetooth technology, potentially putting the free wireless standard at risk. The Washington Research Foundation, which markets technology from the University of Washington, is seeking damages from the three mobile-phone makers for using a radio frequency receiver technology without paying royalties. From the article: 'According to the lawsuit, Bluetooth-based computers, cell phones and headsets made by the companies have violated four patents for research done in the mid-1990s by Edwin Suominen when he was a student at the University of Washington. All four patents are now licensed by the Washington Research Foundation. The foundation's lead counsel on the case, Steven Lisa, said the court filing followed two years of informal attempts to resolve the issue with the major players in the industry.'"

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  1. Dupe Alert by trentfoley · · Score: 3, Informative

    you can also read about it here!

  2. What exactly does it threaten? by aslvrstn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was under the impression that Bluetooth was an open standard, and it looks like the suits involve specific chipsets used by the companies in question, not the standard as a whole.

  3. beginner by Andrei+D · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hello!
    I am new to this Slashdot thing. I have trouble understanding this... Wasn't this story posted before? It's like the same story posted twice.What's the word for it? Doop?

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    1. Re:beginner by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hello newb, it really seems you don't understand, but this is not an error. At /., we tend to repeat things in all areas because our most of our members (Americans) have ADD and/or short memories. This explains the reelection of our Beloved Leader in 2004 nicely.

      Hello newb, it really seems you don't understand, but this is not an error. At /., we tend to repeat things in all areas because our most of our members (Americans) have ADD and/or short memories. This explains the reelection of our Beloved Leader in 2004 nicely.

  4. Re:hm? by dangitman · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's impossible. We're already six days into the year. There's no way slashdot could go six days without a dupe.

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  5. The guy is a patent agent by hughk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you google him, you will find that Edwin Suominen is a patent agent who studied RF at university and assigned some patents there. Despite his name (Suominen), he doesn't seem to have any Finnish connection (Suomi, is the Finnish name for themselves). I had wondered at first whether he had any connection to another well known Finnish company which was heavily involved in the original research. What is unusual is that he seems to have acquired a number of patents (about 4) whilst studying as an undergraduate at University.

    The thing is that the original BT work done in Finland/Sweden (mostly the latter) was done some time ago. It has taken a very long time to catch on in the US but started appearing in the mid nineties. Simple implementations appeared a little later and it may be interesting to look at the history of this patent against when the first single chip implmentation appeared (about 98). It could well be that some existing technology leaked.

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    1. Re:The guy is a patent agent by Chainsaw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      An interesting thing to note here... The Bluetooth standard was developed by Ericsson, the swedish company that manufactures mobile phones and phone switching systems. They also have the most complete and reliable Bluetooth implementation in their phones. However, they are NOT listed as one of the companies being sued.

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    2. Re:The guy is a patent agent by kitgerrits · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You are indeed correct, except for a few details: (from Wikipedia:) The Bluetooth specification was first developed in 1994 by Sven Mattisson and Jaap Haartsen, who were working for Ericsson Mobile Platforms in Lund, Sweden at the time[1]. ... (the Bluetooth consortium) was established by Ericsson, Sony Ericsson, IBM, Intel, Toshiba and Nokia, and later joined by many other companies as Associate or Adopter members What's most surprising is, that one of the founding members has stop developing a while ago: But, back to the story at hand: Suominem had 4 patents on implementations of bluetooth protocols People are still allowed to develop their own bluetooth hardware and software, but if they want to use existing systems, they'll have to pay the license fees for those patents. (kinda like licensing the Quake Engine to make Half-life, before the engine went OSS) Broadcomm bought a license, but Nokia did not. (They probably decided they would code their own, then failed)

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    3. Re:The guy is a patent agent by kitgerrits · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have to admit that I am not a Bluetooth Expert, but I do have a degree in Electrical Engineering.

      With embedded devices (especially low-power ones, like bluetooth headsets),
      the trick is in making the hardware comply with the protocol,
      but the art is doing so with as little (electrical) effort as possible.

      If he can design a chip that takes care of the entire Bluetooth side of things,
      which consumes only a fraction of what a microcontroller does,
      that chip design saves engeineers of embedded devices a lot of effort.
      They are, however, expected to pay for the use of his design.

      This form of outsourced development is what makes the patent-world tick.
      Actually accomplishing the same, without infringeing on those patents, is one of the things makes the F/OSS world tick.

      My guess is, that he probably came in contact with the early Bluetooth ideas and tinkered with those in his spare time in College.
      This, of itself, means that the implementations he designed in college are owned by said college, which applied for a patent and got lucky

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  6. What about Ericsson? by methamorph · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ericsson, the company that played the biggest part in the development of Bluetooth is not even mentioned in the suit. So this is probably something about a way of implementing a certain part of the standard, and not the whole standard itself. To say that this is endangering bluetooth as technology is a bit exagerating.

  7. Re:ADD = Attention Deficit Disorder by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 2, Funny

    Too long, too many words. No way anybody is going to wade through all that. Is there some explanation with cartoons or a little singing dinosaur or someth...oooh shiny!?

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  8. This just seems to be some FUD for Bluetooth. by NimbleSquirrel · · Score: 3, Informative
    Bluetooth came about in 1998, with the consortium formed between Ericsson, IBM, Intel, Motorola, Nokia and Toshiba.

    The earliest of Mr Suominen's patents assigner to the University of Washington was filed in 1996, but wasn't granted until 1999. Of the four of Mr Suominen's patents assigned to the University of Washington, only one was filed before the formation of the Bluetooth consortium, and none of them were issued until after. It is entirely possible that Ericsson (or one of the other original Bluetooth founders) would have IP that predates the 1998 formation of the consortium.

    The fact that the filing is only against three handset manufacturers, all of which have Bluetooth chipsets manufactured by CSR PLC in the UK, shows that this isn't an attack on Bluetooth, just one method of its implementation. Oddly enough, the lawsuit is going after the handset manufacturers and not the chipmaker. This just shows that they are only after money, and to rustle up some FUD regarding non-Broadcom chipsets. This is reinforced comments from Rob Enderle (whose previous clients include Microsoft and SCO): "Defendants would be quick to settle if it appeared the case was immediately threatening their product lines".

    Undoubtedly, the defense would most likely claim Laches against any possible injunction. It is also highly likely that other memebers of the Bluetooth consortium would leverage their IP to prove prior art. It seems Washington Research Foundation and Mr Suominen have quite a large uphill battle in their hands.

    I don't think this case will last very long, and even if they were successful, I'm sure Nokia, Samsung and Panasonic would just move to a different chipset in the future.

  9. Re:hmmm by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 2, Funny

    When somebody patents the dupe, Slashdot will owe billions in licensing fees...

  10. Delayed Suits by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If a large corporation delays filing a complant until *after* the technology has been adopted and is in wide use "oh, gee, you owe us money" i think they should lose most their rights for compensation. ( notice i said most, not all )

    They knew it was in violation in the beginning, they should have spoke up long ago.

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  11. Re:Delayed Suits are Antisocial by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I say most, as sometimes they are honestly missed until its too late, especially when you are talking *small* companies or private individuals. I would not want to start a bad precedent where the little guys get screwed.

    But we do agree there should be some penalty for people waiting to let others do the dirty work, then profit off that.

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