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Apple and Google to Blog the World

Zrop writes "AppleInsider is reporting that Apple has been working on OS-level integration of an geographical mapping technology as an integral part of Leopard, its next-generation OS. The technology is rumoured to employ GPS functionality. Will GPS chips make Apple iPod phones and MacBooks location aware? Users would be able to post information at a location, hanging in the air, ready to be browsed by people passing by. Imagine getting highly relevant messages, without even pressing a button, simply because you are in the vicinity and your preferences match the content of the post."

218 comments

  1. You mean... by blike · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Imagine getting highly relevant messages, without even pressing a button, simply because you are in the vicinity and your preferences match the content of the post."
    You mean "Imagine getting highly relevant advertisements..."
    1. Re:You mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a stalker's dream tool. "Hot chick at location X... believe she is single, heading for home now..."

    2. Re:You mean... by Fungii · · Score: 2, Funny

      Exactly what i thought.

      Still though, more relevant ads are probably a good thing.

    3. Re:You mean... by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Still though, more relevant ads are probably a good thing

      I've got a better idea. How about NO ads, relevant or otherwise?

      There are already enough ads in the world ... heck, people are walking brand advertisements. Enough already ...

    4. Re:You mean... by Elminst · · Score: 1

      Precisely the reason I tagged this story with "minorityreport."
      *Bing!* "You've got ads!"

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      No unauthorized use. Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again.
    5. Re:You mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I guess its a great model to push location advertisements http://blog.amanthan.com/2007/01/pay-per-visit-adv ertising-advertisers.html

    6. Re:You mean... by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      I fail to see how this location dependent blogging tool will help this. I think a forum or chatroom would work better.

    7. Re:You mean... by Myrcutio · · Score: 1

      relevant advertisements, in their truest form, are actually a good thing. Google does it with great success. Alot of businesses get most of their customers because they saw an add on google. I can think of a few very useful applications to localized advertisements, like when me and my friends are stumped on finding a place to eat, or are just bored and looking for something to do (college at its best, loitering laws be damned). Of course there would be obvious abuse and spam, but we all know that spammers burn in hell eventually. Honestly, i think it'll flop, but it does have potential.

    8. Re:You mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      I've got a better idea. How about NO ads, relevant or otherwise?

      This from a guy with an ad in his sig.

  2. I can graphiti the WORLD! by mrmeval · · Score: 2, Funny

    Muh ha ha ha

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    1. Re:I can graphiti the WORLD! by yavori · · Score: 1

      heh yea right :) this might be considered very attractive for apple customers ... maybe time for me to write for this on :)... the new leopard might get top level actions

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    2. Re:I can graphiti the WORLD! by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Predictions:
      • The Cthurch of Scientology will sue after critics add the story of Xenu and other material to their buildings.
      • In Texas, property owners will be able to shoot cyberspace "taggers".
      • Red light areas will be interesting
      • Spam, spam, spam, spam, lovely spam, wonderful spam!
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  3. "integration" or "bundling"? by macadamia_harold · · Score: 2, Insightful

    AppleInsider is reporting that Apple has been working on OS-level integration of an geographical mapping technology as an integral part of Leopard, its next-generation OS.

    Why is it that when apple does this kind of thing it's somehow "cool", but when Microsoft does it, it's somehow "evil"?

    1. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      what part of "AppleInsider is reporting that Apple has been working on OS-level integration of an geographical mapping technology as an integral part of Leopard, its next-generation OS" didn't already make your point?

      oh I see, you're just trying to repeat the FUD about Apple forcing its users (at gunpoint) to buy teh new OSs every month for $1299.9999!!!11 each time omg wtf!

    2. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      oh I see, you're just trying to repeat the FUD about Apple forcing its users (at gunpoint) to buy teh new OSs every month for $1299.9999!!!11 each time omg wtf!
      Pretty much.
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    3. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by brass1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is it that when apple does this kind of thing it's somehow "cool", but when Microsoft does it, it's somehow "evil"?

      Because when Apple does it, it becomes a well documented, open API. Microsoft? Not so much.

    4. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Why is it that when apple does this kind of thing it's somehow "cool", but when Microsoft does it, it's somehow "evil"?

      It is? Who said that?

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    5. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Beebos · · Score: 1

      One reason is because Apple only has, what, 4-8% of the PC market. Microsoft has, what, 90%? You have to dominate a market in order to be a monopoly. That was your concern, no?

    6. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who said "monopoly"? not the parent poster.

      Google has a monopoly on search, and nobody uses the word "evil" to describe what they do.

    7. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Yes an open API Web kit for browser that has 5% of the market. So very open of them! And here I thought Apple was known for its closed system. So silly of me! Hey could go ahead and link to the open API for the iTunes store, DRM and iPod combo? You know, the thing they actually make money on? Missed it somehow. That'd be great. Thanks.

    8. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in order to prove apple is open you link to, errr, developer tools. Tools which Microsoft produce and document like, err, the .NET Framework. Nice straw man.

    9. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by NineNine · · Score: 1

      MS: Bundling a web browser and media player: bad.

      Apple: Bundling a (GPS?!) system: good.

      I can't see how this could possibly be a good thing. It would demolish any hopes of privacy any Apple user may have, and it's bundling in a feature to the OS that is completely unrelated to common tasks.

      Apple: Where the customers eat shit and like it.

    10. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by NineNine · · Score: 1

      You're right. Microsoft doesn't document API's. [rolls eyes]

    11. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by NoMaster · · Score: 2, Funny
      Apple: Where the customers eat shit and like it.

      Linux: Where the customers eat shit, and get told "Submit a patch or run back to Micro$uck$ Windoze, n00b!"

      (Disclaimer: I'm a Mac user. And a Windows user. And a Linux user, and an OpenBSD user, and ...)

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      What part of "a well regulated militia" do you not understand?
    12. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because Apple doesn't have an OS monopoly.

      Since when did Apple sign illegal OEM deals that forced OEMs to not ship competing products to prevent them from entering the market?

      Next.

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    13. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by 0racle · · Score: 1

      I could have swore my MacBook didn't have a GPS system in it.

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      "I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
    14. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by mccoma · · Score: 2, Informative

      I never thought the browser or media player were the bad thing, might as well argue the included TCP/IP stack. Life moves on and essential grows. It was the inability to remove those items and having to pay for Windows even if I wasn't going to use it that got me.

    15. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Poltras · · Score: 1

      pssst, "google is not evil", remember? mmmmmh...?

    16. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple has really awful documentation and is not really open, BTW.

      Want a good example? Compare the documentation for OS X and Windows on the same equivalent subject:
      http://www.google.com/search?q=exception.port+site :developer.apple.com
      http://www.google.com/search?q=vectored.exception. handler+site:msdn.microsoft.com

      One has a two line blurb, the other has a full article and API documentation.

      As for openness, well, they only use standards when they're useful to them. They have a half-assed implementation of the MPEG standard, for example. They also use proprietary connectors, such as ADC(now dead) and mini-DVI.

    17. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by ZombieRoboNinja · · Score: 2

      1. When Apple does it, they're not leveraging a monopoly, because they don't have one.

      2. The last time anyone cared about Microsoft bundling anything, Windows 95 was new and the Earth was a rapidly-cooling ball of magma.

    18. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Benzido · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is a long, boring answer to this which involves Microsoft's past and present sales and PR tactics. This is the answer most slashdotters would give.

      A more interesting answer is, 'because their software sucks'. If Microsoft's software was better, they would have some fans, and on social websites like this one there wouldn't be such a strong prevailing dislike of them.

      Obviously apple also engages in evil business ethics. But because they have fans, they can get away with it a bit more. Microsoft has, as far as I can tell, no fans. I am a long-time PC owners, and I don't give a toss about the monopolistic and unethical behaviour of either company, but I couldn't look you in the eye and say that Microsoft ships really good products. This is why I don't spring to their defense if some Mac or Linux fan calls them 'evil'.

    19. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, did Steve Jobs run over your dog or something?

    20. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unlike Microsoft, you can uninstall the web browser and media player in OS X.

      Any other trolls I can quickly shoot down while I'm here? Or are you busy struggling with Vista's security flaws over at your employer, Microsoft?

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      "Sufferin' succotash."
    21. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is a monopoly. People feel monopoly holders need more restrictions then non-monopoly holders.

    22. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Storlek · · Score: 0

      They also use proprietary connectors, such as ADC(now dead) and mini-DVI. Don't forget those crazy USB ports they started putting on all their computers back in '98. Nobody ever used those things.
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    23. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by 2ms · · Score: 1

      You don't give a toss eh? When people identify business practices as monopolistic and unethical, it's not about how the businesses are being run by Very Very Bad Men doing Immoral Things. It's that it results in the still birth of new technology -- it's the antithesis to innovation. It results in the consumer having to pay exorbitant money for software that sucks. You don't care about that?

    24. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Benzido · · Score: 1

      Yeah I do, of course. I realise that MS software sucks partly because of the monopolistic practices. But I care because the software sucks; as a consumer I care only weakly about the harms to retailers and developers. Many others feel the same way - the evidence is in Apple's legion of loyal fans, who happily ignore Apple's heavy-handed legal practices and questionable business ethics.

      I guess what I'm saying is users don't tend to care much about 'evil' business practices, so long as it doesn't have an impact on software quality. Since MS's anticompetitive practices do reduce software quality, we care that they're evil.

    25. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What open browser API's would you expect Apple to release, IE? Maybe you'd prefer Apple waited 'til Safari has 84+ % of browser presence? Or maybe there's another reason Nokia chose to use WebKit for it's Web Browser for S60 mobile phone?

      Anyways, Apple doesn't claim all their code is open--just based on numerous open standards (FreeBSD, I/O Kit, Apache, PHP, Ruby, TCL, GCC, Samba... so many more). Some have been modified to suit their users, etc. But at least you download Darwin code and actually have a functional machine, or a streaming server. Of course Apple uses open source when it's convenient, you moron. They claim to "open", not stupid! This is where they innovate--on TOP of the (mostly) open stuff. Yes, this is where (most of) the proproprietary areas lie. Don't even get us started about Windows LICENSING fees/hassles!

      Look, have fun trying to pull Apple down, because they're not completely Open Source. As for iTunes/iPod DRM, etc. HA HA HAA HAA! Now you want to steal royalties from the artists, too? You bas tards! Why, isn't the Windows Media Player/MSN Music model raking in the dough? Oops, I mean the Zune Music Store.

    26. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by CapitalT · · Score: 1

      >>Linux: Where the customers eat shit, and get told "Submit a patch or run back to Micro$uck$ Windoze, n00b!"

      1) Linux does not come bundled with hardware, you have to seek it and install it yourself. If you suck... too bad!
      2) Unless you are using an unstable or WIP distribution, you are never told to submit a patch, instead you are told to file a bug. Not that horrible OMG-IT'S-GONNA-EAT-US-ALIVE experience btw.

      P.S.: THERE ARE MODDAFAKING TROLLS ON THE MODDAFAKING SLASHDOT!!! omgomgomg

    27. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      So OEMs are allowed to ship Macs with rival operating systems on them? If Apple suddenly got a 90% market share tomorrow would that mean it would suddenly be wrong for them to bundle software? It seems that Microsoft are being punished just for being successful.

    28. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by greyhill · · Score: 1

      I can't see how this could possibly be a good thing. It would demolish any hopes of privacy any Apple user may have, and it's bundling in a feature to the OS that is completely unrelated to common tasks. I completely agree. This has nothing to do with monopolies and everything to do with privacy. WGA phoning home every day? Bad. Apple knowing where I am all the time? Possibly worse.
    29. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Since when did Apple sign illegal OEM deals that forced OEMs to not ship competing products to prevent them from entering the market?
      Errrrrm, what? How can they sign OEM deals when they make the hardware? In an Apple world you would buy hardware from one person: Apple. PCs can be built, bought from many people and even sometimes *GASP* come with other OSes on them. No Mac has ever shipped with windows or Linux or BSD (and don't try that "OSX is BSD", it's BSD when I can see the source for ALL of it), I find that a lot worse then some MS OEM deals.
    30. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Unlike Microsoft, you can uninstall the web browser and media player in OS X.

      You can do the equivalent in Windows, and have always been able to.

    31. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by DECS · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ADC was only DVI, power, and USB together in one plug. Anyone wanting to use a standard DVI monitor only needed an adapter. Mini-DVI is just a another example of the same pins in a different connector to save space. Of all the real examples of standards, those two are the best you could come up with?

    32. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      There are no OEMs of Apple-platform computers, but Apple authorized resellers regularly sell Intel Macs with Windows XP pre-installed.

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    33. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      You don't give a toss eh? When people identify business practices as monopolistic and unethical, it's not about how the businesses are being run by Very Very Bad Men doing Immoral Things. It's that it results in the still birth of new technology -- it's the antithesis to innovation. It results in the consumer having to pay exorbitant money for software that sucks. You don't care about that?

      That Microsoft's software is on par with - if not better than - most of its contemporaries, somewhat confounds your hypothesis.

    34. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by 2ms · · Score: 1

      You are joking, right?

    35. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by hachete · · Score: 1

      This seems to be a speicies of troll crying out that Microsoft "are being punished for being successful". No, they're being punished for being a monopoly, for rigging the market, for making dubious deals.

      Apple don't have OEMs.

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    36. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

      Name a better word processor. Spreadsheet. Project manager. (The first three that popped into mind at 4.30am)

    37. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by b.burl · · Score: 1

      Umm, you can if hack shit and forfeit your right to expect microsoft to keep your system as secure as systems with the browser. And I've only ever seen it done successfully on a 2000 box; the hackablity of vist and xp are unknows to me.

      did you miss all the predatory allegations in the eu/us over the last 5+ years?

    38. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by b.burl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ah, and theres the rub. When a company leverage's its power to kill competition...the only product left is monopolist's and therefore it is the defato 'best'.

      In a one party state, the best party is, well, The Party.

    39. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by oohshiny · · Score: 1

      Because when Apple does it, it becomes a well documented, open API.

      Yeah, Apple is "open" when they take open source software and interface it to their proprietary system.

      They are somewhat less "open" when it matters to their bottom line.

    40. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by oohshiny · · Score: 1

      Since when did Apple sign illegal OEM deals that forced OEMs to not ship competing products to prevent them from entering the market?

      Apple is leveraging its market dominance in iTunes and iPods in ways that keep down competition. And Apple is also trying to use OS X as a way to set proprietary standards in the UNIX and education market (of course, that's silliness, but it still tells us about what kind of company Apple is).

    41. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      No, you cannot. Hacking the registry or using third-party utilities to remove them doesn't count.

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    42. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Ah, and theres the rub. When a company leverage's its power to kill competition...the only product left is monopolist's and therefore it is the defato 'best'.

      Microsoft have not "leveraged" their "monopoly" to kill office competitors (nor have they needed to).

    43. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Umm, you can if hack shit and forfeit your right to expect microsoft to keep your system as secure as systems with the browser. And I've only ever seen it done successfully on a 2000 box; the hackablity of vist and xp are unknows to me.

      Performing the equivalent of "uninstalling" Safari and Quicktime player is simply a matter of finding the relevant .exe files and hitting "delete".

    44. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      No, you cannot.

      Yes, you can.

      Hacking the registry or using third-party utilities to remove them doesn't count.

      Ignoring the obvious answer of why it "doesn't count", there is no need for such theatrics. Simply delete the relevant .exe files and you have done the equivalent of "uninstalling" Safari and Quicktime Player.

      Fundamentally, however, the "issue" is both irrelevant, and a straw man. The presence of IE in Windows does not stop you using a different browser any more than the presence of Safari in OS X does.

    45. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's actually because Apple has received a permanent place on Slashdot's "Most Favored Monopolist" list.

      Nobody sheds a single tear for all the software companies Apple drives out of business, or how Apple wants every piece of software running on a Mac to be created by (and purchased from) Apple.

      Now that Apple has complete and utter dominion over who can sell Mac-compatible hardware (meaning only Apple can), as well as who can sell Apple equipment (again, meaning only Apple can), they are now making sure that only Apple-created software will be available for purchase.

      The devil's greatest trick was not only convincing people that he isn't evil... but that he is actually a pretty nice guy!

    46. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Because Apple doesn't have an OS monopoly.


      They don't? So I can (God forbid) put OS X on an IBM or Dell computer?
    47. Re:"integration" or "bundling"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1st of all this has nothing to do about what Apple claims just what the parent poster did. Also, I never said MS was better. If you weren't too busy foaming at the mouth with brain dead fanboi(jizz)ism, you might have noticed that. Secondly, the point is that it means nothing to be open about a product that makes you no money and has no market share. What other choice do they have. With such little market power they have nothing to lose.

      Your last paragraph is too incoherent to even warrant a response but I will try. Apple being open with the iTunes DRM doesn't mean artists getting shafted. It would, in fact, be better for artists if protected files played on any device. As eloquent and thoughtful as your er, response was, clearly you don't understand the benefits real openness offers both consumers and content creators. Hilariously, by your logic you can't be critical of MS of not being open since they have 90% of the OS market and it would be stupid and inconvenient for them to endanger that.

  4. I can just imagine the nasty surprises. by Spazntwich · · Score: 3, Funny

    "You're not standing in a puddle of water."

  5. Old idea with a new spin by Bandman · · Score: 1

    I heard ideas like this a long time ago, only then it was using cellphones.

    I think if Apple releases a cell phone (iPhone), it, and the next gen iPods are much more likely to be of use for geographically targetted advertisements (airtisements?) than a macbook. Anyone walking around with an open macbook will have thier own issues to worry about.

    1. Re:Old idea with a new spin by Tragek · · Score: 1

      The problem with the cellphone ideas was that what actual content on a cellphone actually needed to be location based, with the exception perhaps of advertisements? And who really wants to voluntarily expose themselves to more ads. With regards to your comment on ads on the ipod/iphone, I don't think apple would go for that. Who is Apple a close enough friend with the let them advertise on their bread and butter? I like the idea of this, personally, for one reason alone: Location based scripts. As of now, OS X already has location functionality built in for networking, and a couple of other things. This is fine and dandy for me, except I need to change more things when I move from location to location than the locations allow. Also, I run into trouble if I forget to change my settings. So, better: Why not let my laptop do it using it's nifty little GPS reciever, and choose my settings, how I like them, based on where I am. Of course, since I have an older Mac Laptop, I don't see any way for me to easily get in on the GPS trend, so not only will Leopard be a selling point in and of itself, it will also be advertising the crap of of the also announced Laptops with their GPS units embedded.

    2. Re:Old idea with a new spin by LokiSnake · · Score: 1
      Anyone walking around with an open macbook will have thier own issues to worry about.

      Or do you mean sitting on the toilet with an open MacBook...
    3. Re:Old idea with a new spin by eldepeche · · Score: 1

      The first thing I did when I got a laptop was blog from the toilet. As far as I'm concerned, that's the reason for technology.

  6. Will this "feature" have an off button? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I remember when the Pentium III came out, and everybody freaked out because it had built-in serial number identification that were supposed to destroy your privacy. Now "They" will know where you are, but since it's Apple, slashdot puts a nice happy spin on it. Do they make tinfoil iPod cases?

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    1. Re:Will this "feature" have an off button? by carpe_noctem · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do they make tinfoil iPod cases?

      They did, but people complained that they scratched too easily.

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    2. Re:Will this "feature" have an off button? by dangitman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I remember when the Pentium III came out, and everybody freaked out because it had built-in serial number identification that were supposed to destroy your privacy.

      I don't remember everybody freaking out. That would surely make the world news, and lead to civil chaos, if the entire population of the planet started "freaking out." I don't remember anybody freaking out, actually. A few people raised some privacy concerns, yes. Not the same thing as everybody freaking out.

      Now "They" will know where you are, but since it's Apple, slashdot puts a nice happy spin on it.

      Actually, the majority of the posts so far are talking about ways this could be abused, and a sprinkling of "Apple is teh suck" posts. I haven't yet seen anyone on slashdot say it is "cool" or put a happy spin on it.

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    3. Re:Will this "feature" have an off button? by mr_matticus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cars with OnStar and every cell phone made in the past 5 years (if not longer) already have the ability to be tracked. If someone especially desired it, your computer could also be located (to a lesser degree of accuracy).

      If "the man" wanted to know where you were at any given time, it's not like it was hard before. The serial number 'scare' (if you can really call it that) was different because it reported information unrelated to any communication purpose. With wireless devices of any kind, you're already broadcasting your location by using it (even just having it turned on), so it's really a non-issue. Why not provide the option of doing something with it?

      The difference between Microsoft and just about anyone else (including Apple) is that Microsoft would turn it on by default without any real security concerns, and it would "integrate" with a soldering iron. Take Media Center for instance--if you choose "satellite" in the setup, you CAN'T continue if it doesn't detect an MCE-compatible IR receiver (even if you don't want to use it). You also can't cheat by calling your connection "cable" and then choosing a satellite lineup. Microsoft is too smart for that. With this, it's like texting to a bulletin board (the cork-and-pin variety). You can put something up there that might be helpful to someone else--but you aren't obligated to post anything, nor are you obligated to read any of it.

    4. Re:Will this "feature" have an off button? by pyr3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Reading the article (btw, why was it linked to twice in the summary?), it seems to me to just be an opinion piece based on rumors and a single patent application. The patent application itself sounds more like it describes the rumored 'iPhone,' which would make GPS functionality not that out of place seeing as many cellphones on the market now employ GPS technology. As far as the OS-level integration, it seems more like adding GPS and/or map support to the OS is what Apple is interested in. More like iMap, with an API for other 3rd party apps to access it. There is nothing anywhere that there are going to be GPS chips in the computers or ipods. There are just people speculating. It seems to me that it's more likely that it will have support for 3rd party GPS devices. I know that the default on slashdot is tinfoil-ism, but sometimes you have to be a little more realistic than getting your panties in a twist over wild speculation.

    5. Re:Will this "feature" have an off button? by omeomi · · Score: 1

      I haven't yet seen anyone on slashdot say it is "cool" or put a happy spin on it.

      I think it has the potential to be cool. Imagine if you could leave comments on the world just like you do on /. or any other forum. Advertising would be a problem, yes, but that's where user-based moderation would come in. If somebody placed an advert, anybody who came along to it would have the opportunity to vote it down. Funny or insiteful comments would get moderated up. I really think that would be cool.

    6. Re:Will this "feature" have an off button? by dangitman · · Score: 1
      Sure, there's potential coolness. My point is that, contrary to the GP's post - slashdot has not been fawning over this idea, just because it's from Apple. And it has no relation to past controversies over privacy in Pentium chips, etc. Maybe it has privacy or security implications. If so, then let's discuss those rationally.

      It seems much more common for people to whine about slashdot bias whenever an Apple story is posted, than it is for people to uncritically praise everything Apple does. Not to mention that times have changed a lot. Very few people call Microsoft "evil" these days, even on slashdot. It's more likely that they get accused of being boring, or just fail to raise any interest.

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      ... and then they built the supercollider.
    7. Re:Will this "feature" have an off button? by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      Sigh...of course you'll be able to turn it off. But you'll want it because this will allow you to do things like locate your stolen laptop.

      Why do Slashdotters think everything is a top priority privacy concern? Guess what, the fact you have an IP means I can already geolocate you. Get the fuck over it.

      --
      "Sufferin' succotash."
    8. Re:Will this "feature" have an off button? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't remember everybody freaking out. That would surely make the world news, and lead to civil chaos, if the entire population of the planet started "freaking out." I don't remember anybody freaking out, actually.

      That's just it, man. You don't remember! The people that freaked out totally lost their memory of the event. You don't remember it happening -- nobody remembers it happening -- ergo, it must have happened! Freeeeekyyyyyy!!

    9. Re:Will this "feature" have an off button? by lousyd · · Score: 1
      I don't remember anybody freaking out, actually.

      I freaked out. Just cuz it turned out okay doesn't mean turning out okay was inevitable.

      --
      If aspiration is a virtue, achievement cannot be a vice.
    10. Re:Will this "feature" have an off button? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      You actually freaked out? Like, you ran down the street tearing your clothes off, or trying to scratch your eyeballs out or something?

      --
      ... and then they built the supercollider.
  7. Let me guess by theurge14 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Here I sit all broken hearted
    I tried to..."

    You know the rest.

    1. Re:Let me guess by zigziggityzoo · · Score: 1

      Actually, no I don't.

      --
      Zing!
    2. Re:Let me guess by silentounce · · Score: 1

      Probably the most common bathroom stall graffiti ever. Here I sit all broken hearted. I tried to shit and only farted.

      It's interesting that you didn't know it, are you female? Maybe it's not as prevalent in women's bathrooms.

      --
      There are many tongues to talk, and but few heads to think. -Victor Hugo
    3. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's interesting that you didn't know it, are you female?

      I know it seems hard to believe, but there are actually other countries in the world where U.S. bathroom humor is not well known.

    4. Re:Let me guess by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

      Speaking as a Scottish born Australian living in the US, I feel slightly qualified to voice my (still admitted speculatory) belief that it's actually an English-ism.

    5. Re:Let me guess by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      "Here I sit all broken hearted I tried to..."

      You know the rest.

      I thought it was:

      Here I sit, broken-hearted, spent a penny and only farted.

      I'm from the UK where you used to "spend a penny" to use a public loo, and unless you were posh you'd only do so for a dump, there being plenty of useful alleys/back doors for a mere wazz.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  8. Finally. by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Neat, a way for me to tell passers-by, "Bob Johnson sucks ****," without the hassle of finding a bathroom stall and a marker. Heck, now I can let people know right as they're passing Bob's house. He'll be so happy.

    1. Re:Finally. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey man, fuck you!

      Bob

  9. Geolocation with WiFi by drewzhrodague · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can do geolocation with WiFi, if you have a large enough database. We have one, and there are others. Here is a good example of this kind of action. There aren't many applications that deal with location, but as you can imagine, there is a point to location-based blogging, and apparently a need for it. I wasn't successful in building a killer location-based app, but I like to see the other valiant attempts by others.

    Hay, I'm looking for a gig too, Apple and Google.

    --
    Zhrodague.net - I do projects and stuff too.
    1. Re:Geolocation with WiFi by Lord+Satri · · Score: 1

      More on wifi geolocation here. Yes, it's a shameless plug, but I believe it's relevant. Slashgeo focuses on geospatial technologies, with a tendency to cover items related to open source and community-related geospatial projects. Here's the 'Open source community' topic. And more related to this story, here's the GPS and RFID topics too. And why not the Google one. There's already plenty of GPS/Wifi/Google existing geospatial tools/apps that will rock the world. It's only a matter of time :-)

    2. Re:Geolocation with WiFi by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      I got into the habit of scanning wifi on my Palm to see where I was on a long bus commute. ("Damn, are we passing the corner of linksys and default again?!") They now have a display sign and are planning (hoping?) to add wifi access in the bus. They could do some interesting geospatial projects with that.

      --
      One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
  10. You mean...Flipflops aren't just shoes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Today we blame the technology. Tomorrow we blame the person.

  11. WHO CARES what Apple intends to use it for... by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...if this is anything like the "sudden motion sensor," it's really exciting because of all the cool stuff third parties will do with it. For example, off the top of my head I can think of a few things that I'd like to see implemented: automatically switching the "location" (which is used for determining network settings) according to the actual GPS location, linking iCal events to locations so that I can get reminders when I'm in the right place, etc.

    --

    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    1. Re:WHO CARES what Apple intends to use it for... by kennygraham · · Score: 2, Interesting
      linking iCal events to locations so that I can get reminders when I'm in the right place, etc.

      and iCal keeping track of what time zone you're in while you travel would be very welcome

    2. Re:WHO CARES what Apple intends to use it for... by 644bd346996 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd much rather get the reminders when I'm in the wrong place! If I'm already in the meeting room, I probably don't need to be interrupted.

    3. Re:WHO CARES what Apple intends to use it for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Wouldn't you prefer to get reminders when you were in the
      wrong place instead? You know, to let you know you weren't
      in the right place. ::so that I can get reminders when I'm in the right place, etc.

    4. Re:WHO CARES what Apple intends to use it for... by vought · · Score: 2, Informative

      Another lack of the difference between Apple and Microsoft.

      If true (and I stress "if true", since it's 1. from appleinsider and 2. a breathless rumors appearing days before MacWorld), this shows some real imagination. A product from Microsoft with the same features would be Microsoft from end-to-end, locking out potential partners or subsuming them well before the product became useful.

      I hope that this feature will be implemented in the typically benign-if-a-little-restrictive style of most of Apple's consumer-focussed products.

    5. Re:WHO CARES what Apple intends to use it for... by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, that all depends on your definition of "place." For example, is the meeting room a "place," or is the whole office building a "place?" If it's on the former scale, maybe you have the situation where you want to be reminded of the meeting if you're in your office, but not if you're in the meeting room. But if it's the latter, maybe you want to be reminded to go, say, get something from a particular coworker before you leave. Also, it can even depend on the transitions between places. For example, if you're transitioning from work to home maybe you want to be reminded to get milk on the way when you get near the grocery store, but if you're transitioning in the opposite direction (or to a different destination entirely) you don't.

      In other words, it depends a lot on context. For a more detailed investigation of the kind of thing I'm talking about, read this (note: PDF).

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    6. Re:WHO CARES what Apple intends to use it for... by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Maybe it could also check the traffic/transit schedules between where you are now and where you have to be so that it can tell you when you really-really-no-fooling-now! have to leave to make it on time.

      --
      One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
    7. Re:WHO CARES what Apple intends to use it for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      linking iCal events to locations so that I can get reminders when I'm in the right place, etc.

      That would be a really good idea for music festivals. With 50+ bands playing on 3+ stages, walking around catching bits of each, it is hard to tell exactly who is playing. Would be nice to get their name, set list (maybe even current song), and the option to purchase the song/CD. That particular scenario would work better with cell phones though.
    8. Re:WHO CARES what Apple intends to use it for... by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1
      I'm just curious as to how the GPS will work indoors. :P

      Y'know, that whole Satellite aspect. I've never seen a GPS unit work in a meeting room (though I can't say I've tried many times, but I know my TomTom doesn't find a valid GPS signal when it's sitting on my desk in my office).

      "Get location-wise meeting reminders anywhere - as long as they're outside!"

    9. Re:WHO CARES what Apple intends to use it for... by Ed_1024 · · Score: 1

      With GPS for worldwide updating and integrating the output from the SMS system while GPS is unavailable, your device should know where it is to a resolution of a few feet wherever you take it. Should see some interesting applications...

    10. Re:WHO CARES what Apple intends to use it for... by bandmassa · · Score: 1

      Or better yet, an Apple gadget tells you you should be somewhere by a certain time if you're not already making your way there, but lowers the priority of the alert the closer you get to that location, knowing that you remembered yourself. The psychology of a gadget like that is better than both machine or self time management, because it it rewards good bahaviour with peace and quiet ;-)

      --
      "I hope you like Guinness, Sir. I find it a refreshing substitute for, er... food." Col. Jack O'Neil, SG-1
    11. Re:WHO CARES what Apple intends to use it for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, the sudden motion sensor exists so that my hard drive doesn't get fucked if my laptop gets jostled around. I'd say that's pretty "cool".

    12. Re:WHO CARES what Apple intends to use it for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have VZ Navigator from Verizon Wireless on my cell phone. Just playing with it and showing people, or determining distances to a location, I have used it indoors several times. Usually it will work fine, unless I'm for instance on the first floor of a five story building. Now, that being said... I have times where the GPS won't work when I'm driving in my car in open country! so...

  12. Apple = Good, MS = ? by walrus2517 · · Score: 0

    I agree with another poster. If MS had included such functionality in Vista the Slashdot crowd would have been up-in-arms about the privacy implications, but Apple does it and its suddenly a good thing? I know the average Slashdot reader is incredibly biased and hypocritical to MS, but this one is too obvious.

    1. Re:Apple = Good, MS = ? by WaZiX · · Score: 1

      Strangely, most comments i read were quite critical if not negative of this initiative...

      Must be a different slashdot "crowd" you're talking about...

    2. Re:Apple = Good, MS = ? by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      I believe it was proposed as a possible use for some of the features in WinFS, for example picking up on your location and showing you contacts nearby, files which involve the area etc.

      --
      How many people can read hex if only you and dead people can read hex?
    3. Re:Apple = Good, MS = ? by alfredo · · Score: 1

      It's not what you do, it's how you do it. The MS way- user experience is compromised by the desire of MS to maximize profits and control. The Apple Way- make it easy to use, trouble free and with style and the profits will follow.

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      photosMy Photostream
    4. Re:Apple = Good, MS = ? by freedumb2000 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Apple can/will be just as evil in exploiting this technology (DRM, ads etc.) but at least it will probably be a smooth user experience and thus beeing used by everyone. It's the double edged sword of using OS X. It's just so nice to work with it but it has this bitter aftertaste of a locked-in, closed platform.

    5. Re:Apple = Good, MS = ? by kcarlin · · Score: 1

      The difference here is that Apple has to be far more consumer savvy than Microsoft. A mistake that would cost Microsoft less than a billion in lobbying and lawyers could slice away the famed reality distortion field and kill 30 years of carefully crafted reputation.

      For Steve Jobs, the nightmare is to wake up one morning with a street cred among consumers equivalent to Bill Gates. A genuine disadvantage.

      --
      Free Adam Smith! (Or best offer.)
  13. stephansmap.org geared towards this by sugarmotor · · Score: 2, Informative

    The site stephansmap.org is geared towards this. It actually goes beyond: it has time integration.

    I developed it. So far needs some more users. So I'm redesigning it.

    Stephan

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    http://stephan.sugarmotor.org
  14. fyi: GPS USB by rjdegraaf · · Score: 1
    GPS Navigation With Your Laptop! http://www.bytefusion.com/products/op/usb-gps/usb- gps.htm


    Does anyone know this device works under Linux?
    I Love to buy one.

    1. Re:fyi: GPS USB by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but what I'd want is a PC-card (or even mini-PCI) version that doesn't stick out, so that I could keep it in the laptop permanently

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    2. Re:fyi: GPS USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it should, most USB GPSes just appear as serial converters and use the NMEA protocol to talk to applications.

  15. Ummm... by dangitman · · Score: 4, Funny

    How do I type if I'm hanging in the air? And isn't this Mac-user-levitation technology a bigger story than boring old GPS?

    --
    ... and then they built the supercollider.
    1. Re:Ummm... by Idbar · · Score: 1

      In related news:
      David Blaine joined Apple crew this morning to help keep messages floating in the air.

    2. Re:Ummm... by lartful_dodger · · Score: 1

      Mac-user-levitation technology is only a small conceptual step away, once you acknowledge Steve Jobs' ability to walk on water.

      --
      The face of 'evil' is always the face of total need
  16. Kinda Done... by Clazzy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At least in mobile phones. Some phones (in the UK at least) will automatically display the dialling code for the area you're in. It's a more simplified version but it's a handy feature to have. Of course, this is a more complex version and should hopefully have more beneficial uses.

    --
    If we can hit that bull's-eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate.
  17. Imagine... in my local supermarket... by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are ads on the back and on the front inside of the shopping cart. There are ads on the floor that I walk on, while trying to manuever my cart around instrusive stands of featured products placed so as to block the aisle. Hanging off shelves in the aisle are little machines with bright blinking LEDs ready to dispense coupons for products. Flat-panel TV sets with sound hang near the meat section, running a continuous informercial. Another TV set with sound hangs above the cash register in the checkout line, running a different infomercial.

    As I check out, the process is interrupted by the cashier asking whether I want to buy their X-Treme Value of the Week, which is stacked near the cash register with an ad on it, and hands me two long slips of paper: a receipt, and a bunch of ads and coupons. These latter are "highly targeted," alright: they are always for competing brands of products I just bought.

    Can I "imagine getting highly relevant messages, without even pressing a button, simply because you are in the vicinity and your preferences match the content of the post?"

    Yes, I can.

    And I know exactly kind of messages they'll be.

    And I betcha a nickel those preferences will be opt-out.

    1. Re:Imagine... in my local supermarket... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >interrupted by the cashier asking whether I want to buy their X-Treme Value of the Week

      We obviously shop at the same supermarket chain.

    2. Re:Imagine... in my local supermarket... by Peganthyrus · · Score: 1

      When Ralph's started doing the check-out commercials, I was ultimately thankful to them - because a mere two blocks past my local Ralph's was Trader Joe's. I still went to Ralph's for my Diet Coke habit, but those ads chased me away for all my other shopping, to somewhere generally better and cheaper.

      --
      egypt urnash minimal art.
    3. Re:Imagine... in my local supermarket... by Servo · · Score: 1

      So you shop at Shaw's too?

      --
      A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may never get over. -Benjamin Franklin
    4. Re:Imagine... in my local supermarket... by vought · · Score: 1

      When our local ( at least six months ago; Blossom Hill at Santa Theresa) Albertson's started showing check-out ads interspersed with NBC and FoodTV television blurbs, I made a point of mentioning to the cashier and/or other customers during each check out that I found the practice distracting and stressful.

      Eventually, I started going out of my way to the Safeway on Almaden.

      The point of all this is that I am sure, should this rumor turn out ot be true, that it will have something to do with targetted ads. I am also confident, that given their history of uncluttering the user interface, Apple will make this feature either optional, or as unobtrusive as Google's AdWords, which I find helpful often, but annoying never.

      Now if Apple and Safeway could get together....

    5. Re:Imagine... in my local supermarket... by Peganthyrus · · Score: 1

      Given that Apple is the Premium Brand, I can't see them deliberately ad-enabling the OS. It's more that there will be some geolocation features, maybe some interesting integration into existing apps, maybe a map program shipped with the OS... and it's up to developers to come up with something crazy to do with it.

      And up to developers to sell it. So unless rogue sleaze-installers start happening on the Mac I can't really see it being used for ads.

      --
      egypt urnash minimal art.
  18. BBS Lession 12,102 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    and do you remember the quality of the grafitti board on every BBS in the 80's...

    I guess as long as you know the worst people will take over this kind of a system... you can still get something useful out of it.

    1. Re:BBS Lession 12,102 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose if you lock the location so only one user can use it at a time, and then an admin is required to approve or throw out the addition/change it would work. Would give editors jobs I guess.

  19. Too complicated for laptops by Baumi · · Score: 1

    While this might be a nice geek toy, it wouldn't be practical for everyday use. Picture the scenario: You're in some unknown city, now you have to pull out your MacBook (better hope the battery's charged). After that you can either whip out your phone as well to switch on Bluetooth and get your laptop online via GSM or UMTS, or you've got to find a WLAN hotspot which would only let you look up stuff around that very hotspot. Not a killer app. Not Apple-like at all.

    I could see something like this being useful on a PDA or a cell phone (if you've got a data plan), so it might be a feature of the rumored "iPhone". However, looking at the prices for Bluetooth GPS units, I wonder whether the chipsets aren't too expensive to make them a default option.

    1. Re:Too complicated for laptops by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      I could see something like this being useful on a PDA or a cell phone (if you've got a data plan), so it might be a feature of the rumored "iPhone". However, looking at the prices for Bluetooth GPS units, I wonder whether the chipsets aren't too expensive to make them a default option.

      You know what I see it useful in? A camera, so that it could automatically add the location to the EXIF data of each photo taken. I would think Google and Apple would be all over that kind of thing, since it would have really cool possibilities for iPhoto and Google Image Search. Too bad neither of them makes cameras...

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    2. Re:Too complicated for laptops by Baumi · · Score: 1

      You know what I see it useful in? A camera, so that it could automatically add the location to the EXIF data of each photo taken.

      Yep, I'd love a GPS-enabled camera, as well. I think Kodak had one on the market a few years ago, but it was an expensive high-end model. Currently, I'm using a Symbian phone + BT GPS unit + phototagging software to achieve the same result, but in-camera GPS would be much appreciated. Still, I think it's a price issue there, too. Anything but Sirf III is pretty much too flaky to use (and even that needs up to a minute to get its bearings), and those chipsets are still expensive.
    3. Re:Too complicated for laptops by Gnavpot · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You know what I see it useful in? A camera, so that it could automatically add the location to the EXIF data of each photo taken. I would think Google and Apple would be all over that kind of thing, since it would have really cool possibilities for iPhoto and Google Image Search. Too bad neither of them makes cameras...

      http://www.geospatialexperts.com/ricoh.html
      http://scilib.typepad.com/science_library_pad/2006 /08/sonys_camera_gp.html
      http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg. tcl?msg_id=005bL5
  20. Track me more. by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

    I am going to give my girlfriend one of these so I can stalk her.

    1. Re:Track me more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, not my girlfriend so much as the girl who lives next door and never closes her curtains.

  21. a way to track purchases? by pepax · · Score: 1

    Could this lead to tracking purchases to enforce taxes, or prohibit purchases from unauthorized countries (no allofmp3 from outside of Russia)?

  22. Re:fyi: GPS USB [ SOLVED ] by rjdegraaf · · Score: 1

    Thanks. Yep, found it: Linux GPS.

  23. GPS + Ipod by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Sorry, your content is not authorized for consumption in the country which you currently are in"

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    1. Re:GPS + Ipod by vigilology · · Score: 1

      So disable it.

    2. Re:GPS + Ipod by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      "sorry, for your protection your content is not available for use while GPS is disabled"

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      ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    3. Re:GPS + Ipod by vigilology · · Score: 1

      Talk about commercial suicide.

    4. Re:GPS + Ipod by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      You would have thought the same thing for 'regions' on DVD's, but the public didnt form a lynching gang on that one either.

      Most people are sheep. The rest of us have to pay the price.

      --
      ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  24. I like Gmail's targeted adverts by EsJay · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If it's as unobtrusive as Gmail's topical advertising, I think topical+geographic advertising would be OK.

  25. Right... by gordgekko · · Score: 5, Informative

    >> Users would be able to post information at a location, hanging in the air, ready to be browsed by people passing by. Imagine getting highly relevant messages, without even pressing a button, simply because you are in the vicinity and your preferences match the content of the post."

    Right. This didn't even work when users were able to post information at a web site using invisible notes back in the 1990s. Remember that "revolution"? Users of a web site could discuss its contents with each other using software that interfaced with their web browser. End result? No one posted anything except the occasional juvenile comment.

    Now I'm expected to believe that people are going to be walking around with a cellphone and eagerly texting messages and posts that others will be able to read when they enter the area.

    Good luck with that.

    --
    You want to know who isn't running Firefox 2.x? They spell it "definately" and "rediculous".
    1. Re:Right... by Darthmalt · · Score: 1

      Just imagine driving by a highschool or middleschool. You'll be inundated with hooribly speeled sub AOL quality comments.

    2. Re:Right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one posted anything except the occasional juvenile comment.

      hehe... boobies.
    3. Re:Right... by leenks · · Score: 1

      Right. This didn't even work when users were able to post information at a web site using invisible notes back in the 1990s. Remember that "revolution"? Users of a web site could discuss its contents with each other using software that interfaced with their web browser. End result? No one posted anything except the occasional juvenile comment. Isn't that what slashdot is? Or comments on 'blogs?
    4. Re:Right... by Oddscurity · · Score: 1

      Well, we all know that blog comments and /. are pinnacles of relevancy...

      --
      Indeed!
    5. Re:Right... by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      That was before every teen and bored housewife had net access through their phone, duh... geeks and IT guys aren't the most gregarious people...

      --
      A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
  26. great by artifex2004 · · Score: 1

    And if Apple releases a MacThin touch tablet, then the ability to scrawl on the virtual bathroom wall will be that much more realistic.
    "For a good time, IM..."

  27. GPS is balls expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Garmin nuvi 660, IMHO that's the GPS to beat with its perfect screen size and resolution (around $700 retail after discounts etc. i believe .. higher MSRP).

    Anyway .. The cheapest decent GPS I found with a sirfstarIII chip is around $399 MSRP (Magellan RoadMate 2000).

    I have no idea how much a SIRFStarIII chip costs. I'm reckoning that it ain't cheap. Until the cost of that chip (or an equivalent competing one?) drops to $15 I doubt we'll be seeing GPS ubiquitously in devices such as digital cameras, laptops, and mp3 players. I am hoping Intel or AMD buys them .. but then again if maybe if they buy 'em we may see technology improvements go in the shitter.

    I think someday even laptops will have GPS, and with boosted satellite signal strengths the chips should be able to function inside buildings.

    Me? I am waiting for the price to drop to $400 for the Garmin nuvi 660 .. then I'll be buying it.

    1. Re:GPS is balls expensive by xneubien · · Score: 0

      Its not the GPS chip thats expensive, its the maps that are included with the GPS device. I have GPS in my cheap POS motorola i265 that they gave us at work.

    2. Re:GPS is balls expensive by trimbo · · Score: 1

      That's why there's aGPS. Check out what VZNavigator can do without ever looking for a satellite.

      I guarantee this technology, if it's true, won't use traditional satellite signals for triangulation.

    3. Re:GPS is balls expensive by Oddscurity · · Score: 1

      It'll just get your longitude wrong by a factor 1,000?

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      Indeed!
  28. Innovation by gorrepati · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Its been a long time since we have seen a truly innovative feature.. Hail Apple.

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    You will never have experience until after you needed it.
  29. Whooo! Hooo! by Zebra_X · · Score: 1

    Damn, this is an awful use technology.

    I mean really, first a Trusted Computing chip, now "location awareness" to "fix" the fact that geolocation by IP is inacurate.

    The thing is - when you have a platform that has video and location awareness it raises a host of issues including "What happens when this platform gets compromised by theives?"

  30. What a great idea by pembo13 · · Score: 1

    Instead of wasting resources on spying on people, get them to spy on themselves. Finding out where the owner of an Ipod lives will soon be as simple as checking where they are the most.

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    "Thanks for all the money you paid to us. We've used it to buy off ISO among other things" -Microsoft
  31. cameras by dingDaShan · · Score: 1

    Why don't cameras have GPS built in? How great would it be to be able to have all pictures geotagged automatically?

    1. Re:cameras by WillerZ · · Score: 1

      There's an add-on for Nikon cameras which adds GPS information to the shots you take.

      I want a full-frame DSLR with GPS integration; Canon do the first bit, Nikon do the second, no-one does both.

      --
      I guess today is a passable day to die.
    2. Re:cameras by goofballs · · Score: 1

      sony's got a little gps receiver (gps-cs1) that will do that, by matching time stamps w/ your photos.

    3. Re:cameras by leenks · · Score: 1
      You mean like this or this or this? (note some of these cameras have been around over 5 years). I'm sure there are others too.

      For DSLR users, I think Sony, Nikon and Canon all produce devices that can do this.

      There are others options too - many PDA's have this capability, e.g. the iMate JAMin or the eten g500. Some mobile phones with location based services also provide this facility, although the accuracy depends on the location technology used (might not be that important for holiday snapshots?)

      I agree though - with the cost of GPS these days, it should be a standard feature on pretty much all digital cameras - or at least implement bluetooth / usb connectivity to an external GPS receiver.

  32. a legitimate use of this by mrcdeckard · · Score: 1

    if someone passing through an area is unfamiliar with that area (as tourist or otherwise), that person could get notes about the immediate local relevant to their interest -- say you're hanging out on the other side of town and want to see if there's any good sushi around. or comic book stores, or whatever.

      would be like local.google does now, except on my phone, and i don't have to type in my location.

    mrc

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  33. Imagine the Future... by Aminion · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... you will hover by a school and be attacked by "LOL U teh gay!!1" messages.

    ... you wife borrows your nano nuclear powered PDA only to receive the following message as she passes one of the store downtown "Hello again, Mr Smith! We hope you enjoyed Chixx with Dixx 69. May we also suggest: Brazilian Tranny Wars 43?"

    ... your n00b neighbor has got his box pwned again and it is constantly broadcasting ads for Viagra alcopops and penis pumps with festive Christmas motifs.

  34. so many evil uses.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Just imagine using google to search for drunk females feeling lonely and vulnerable within a 20 mile radius

    And then the fun of finding your sexy net lady is still a 40 year old homosexual man

  35. a new twist on a DRM classic by aschrock · · Score: 1

    This could be a whole new twist on DVD region codes. "Sorry, your computer is not allowed to operate in the country you are currently in.... turning off..."

  36. the streets will be overrun by /.ers by Aeron65432 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Every street corner will pop up a notification saying, "CowboyNeal WAS HERE," and the obligatory "in SOVIET RUSSIA THE INTERNET MESSAGES YOU."


    I, for one, welcome our new GPS-messaging overlords.

  37. Physical location is a meat phenomenon. by EWAdams · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The probability that I would give a rat's ass about the opinions of people who just happen to be in physical proximity to me is vanishingly small. I don't even want to LOOK at the other people on the subway, much less know what they're thinking.

    At least on an Internet forum I stand a reasonable chance of meeting people I actually want to talk to, and where they are physically located is irrelevant.

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    1. Re:Physical location is a meat phenomenon. by Eclipse-now · · Score: 1

      I agree... specific subject forums online are the attraction, and I don't care where the person is posting from.

      My main interest in location based software is personalized navigation. Rather than our laptop, imagine wearing glasses that project a HUD of your cityscape and shopping center. What kind of personalized interfaces / VOIP commands might we interface with such a device? What kind of "Servailance" preferences would we have set up? When is this "Life Caching" software really going to kick in?

    2. Re:Physical location is a meat phenomenon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      specific subject forums online are the attraction, and I don't care where the person is posting from.

      I agree too, as long as they're not niggers, fags or spics.

    3. Re:Physical location is a meat phenomenon. by takev · · Score: 1

      Interesting,

      If you leave GPS Graffiti in a train/subway/tram/car. Shouldn't the graffiti stay relative to the transportation device, instead of relative to earth?
      It depend of course if you are leaving graffiti about the outside "Nice house", or about the train it self "gum on this seat".

  38. Uhm.. by asCii88 · · Score: 1

    Imagine getting tons and tons of spam, without even pressing a button, simply because you are in the vicinity and even if your preferences don't match the content of the post.

  39. Ads, ads, everywhere. by Animats · · Score: 0

    Mod parent up.

    In Vista, Microsoft puts central control from the mothership in Redmond into the OS.
    Apple's answer to this: integrate spam into the OS.

    Earth to Cupertino: bad idea.

    (Idea for an new exploit: write an adware program which randomly injects ad slides into PowerPoint presentations.)

    1. Re:Ads, ads, everywhere. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      Apple's answer to this: integrate spam into the OS.

      Some rumor site speculates on possible uses for a rumored technology, and by the time it gets to you it's already happened.

      It would be a very useful thing. Thinking it's bad simply because someone might use it to advertise is like saying the telephone is a bad thing because it enables tele-marketers to call.

  40. Clocks by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

    The clocks in GPS are extremely accurate. Accurate enough to be used in communications protocols without clock sync or worry about too much drift. If I were at Apple and building GPS into all of my computers, my first thought would be using the clock as the system clock and then, how I could exploit the clock.

    Apple is unlikely to screw its consumers with a bunch of lame proximity-based advertising.

    1. Re:Clocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Besides setting the system clock, what else can you do with that kind of accuracy? The system clocks on my machines are usually accurate within a second (though I can't prove it). What would accuracy to microsecond give me?

    2. Re:Clocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would accuracy to microsecond give me?

      Nothing. the GP is nothing but another apple fagboi who likes to pull his dick while dreaming of steve jobs fucking him up the ass. fucking faggot is acting like steve jobs invent gps and bullshit

      nothing but a little minded asshole.

    3. Re:Clocks by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

      Network protocols, like I said in the GP. The question isn't setting your system clock, the point is that you're also in sync with the other computers within microseconds. As a result, you can rely on communications protocols that use wall-clock time in their timestamp. Though this usage has largely been superseded by Chandy-Lamport style logical clocks, there are applications that can benefit from this sort of accuracy.

      Lets consider something mundane and simple. I'm running an experiment on emulab, and I want to keep a log of everything that happens. I also want to know the exact internal state of the network over the time that the application operates. I can use logical timestamps, but this won't give me a real-time picture, at least, not what really happened. It will give me a plausible picture in the point of view of the network, effected by all things that were occurring in that network (traffic, latency). On the other hand, I'll have a perfect view of what really happened if I know that the clocks are in-sync. That's why emulab syncs its clocks before an experiment.

      Now consider how this might effect other applications. Perhaps you have some sort of sensor network setup. Flying robotic cameras, and you want one long filmstrip as something flies past because you're making the fourth Matrix movie. They can sync with each other, or they can just tape. In one case, you have to clean up a bunch in post. In the other, the time on the film is reliable, the only variable is the position of the cameras, which can be fixed with lasers.

      These are just a couple of applied uses off the top of my head. But, consider the use in network protocols. If you are going to use wall-clock time (unfixed, unsynced), then you must know that transmission and receipt of a message is greater than clock drift between the machines participating in the protocol, for instance.

      Also, I'm typing this from a PC.

  41. Mostly annoying? by superbrose · · Score: 1

    Sounds to me like we'll see the equivalent of Google Earth's community markers adapted to these devices.

    Although I like the principle, I really don't like the implementation of community markers as I last saw it. Too often there is a complete jungle of markers making it hard to find relevant ones.

    Some community markers contain spam, some are riddled with mistakes and information that is totally wrong. Mostly they can't be trusted, and there are so many simply annoying markers.

  42. Has its drawbacks, but could be useful by AlXtreme · · Score: 2, Insightful
    A location-based wiki (wikipedia, wikitravel) would be pretty neat. Travel to a city, walk around while having access to short descriptions of monuments. Figure out which restaurants are good by walking up to them and reading a few reviews.

    Of course, abuse would be just as easy as messing up a wiki page, but that hasn't stopped their popularity either.

    I don't see why this would have to be tied into an OS though, and it would make more sense for phones than laptops. Once we have cheap unlimited GPRS/UMTS connections, that is.

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    1. Re:Has its drawbacks, but could be useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is actually already happening in Google Earth.

  43. Highly Relevant Encryption by bigattichouse · · Score: 1

    Location based encryption based on lat/long and password.... must be standing on Mount Ranier within 50 meters of a specific point. Or as you move through a building, it decrypts and gives you instructions.

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  44. Troll! by SEWilco · · Score: 1

    "DON'T TURN AROUND! There is a troll behind you. Run to the next corner and turn right. NOW!"

  45. But GPS: by RalphSleigh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But GPS:

    a) Does not work indoors, and there are very few times I would consider using a laptop outside in this climate.

    b)Eats battery like nothing else, this might be good for the odd fix now and again when you boot up, but running continously would probably put a bit of a crimp on your battery.

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    1. Re:But GPS: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      technically speaking, there are ways around that. With cell network based approach, it can work indoors.

    2. Re:But GPS: by adrianmonk · · Score: 1
      Eats battery like nothing else, this might be good for the odd fix now and again when you boot up, but running continously would probably put a bit of a crimp on your battery.

      Luckily Apple laptops already have acceleration sensors. So, all you need to do is fire up the GPS when you detect any kind of significant motion (something more than just vibration). The give the user a preferences option to have the GPS always off, always on, or on only when motion is detected, and you're doing pretty well, I would think.

    3. Re:But GPS: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I would guess this is aimed more at Apple's rumored cell phone. Lots of cell phones have built-in gps now, so clearly battery life isn't a huge problem (more than likely the large color screen and voice synthesis/directions engine are what drains the battery in current GPS receivers.)

    4. Re:But GPS: by rthille · · Score: 1

      b)
      Huh? My wife's years-old garmin will power itself, receiver, display, processor, etc. for 20 hours on two AA batteries!

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  46. Spotlight+iChat+GPS+AppleConnect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whew..one of my best posts on /. in a long time...

    Roll the clock forward almost a decade and a "twist of fate" later (involving Admiral Grace Hopper and a former CEO of the most corrupt defense contractor in United States history) and Jobs returns to Apple Computer, where he has now added the following consumer surveillance 'features' to the Mac operating system:

    1) Macs now "phone home" to Apple.com with their hardware serial number; Apple reportedly has every IP address ever seen at Apple.com from that hardware serial number, enabling bi-directional lookups. (Jobs says, "who posted that on XYZNews, which provides the first 3 octets of anonymous posts in the hope of encouraging accountability to the anonymous poster's ISP, and within 1 second now has a list of Mac owners who have ever used those first 3 octets.) Want to discredit your employer, wait until he is away from his MacBook and anonymously post something deeply offending to Jobs or Apple on OSNews.com

    2) Spotlight indexes all user-content stored on all Tiger/Leopard Macs with kernel-hook efficiency and zero user interaction. In Leopard, these indexes can be remotely accessed over the network, potentially in aggregate. Is it really paranoia to expect that an authorized party at Apple.com (or acting on authority from a "polite request" from someone in the government) could conduct a Spotlight search on your Mac without revealing the fact to you? Want to mess with your soon to be ex? Download some kiddy-porn off the Net and then start surfing those cable news networks in the Middle East and asking lots of questions in their online forums.

    3) Macs are reportedly gaining the ability to identify their current location (using space-based GPS signals created by the company once headed by the chrony who returned Jobs to power), thereby enabling the network to know exactly where a Mac is --within a few feet. This is pretty important as city-wide WiFi, free hotspots and neighbor-coops combine with VoIP-over-WiFi to replace all other telecom options.

    4) Most Macs now come with built-in unoccludable cameras and microphones with all necessary software pre-installed to digitally stream those analog sources over the network. This is reportedly being expanded to such a degree that the CCD (charge-coupled device/image-array) of the camera (invented by the former CEO of the most corrupt defense contractor in United States history and the man who recruited Jobs back to Apple) is being integrated into the LCD (liquid-crystal display) of the Mac display so that they are one in the same.

    The conclusion is that it is technically/legally possible for the government or for Apple (or for the government through Apple) to know what you are doing on the Internet, where you are when you are doing it, to place you under audio/video surveillance and to search all of your files within seconds.

    This kind of power belongs exclusively with the government, not with a private company, but as consumers it is our "choice" whether or not to empower such private companies. But what are you going to do? Piss away more of your life dealing with Windows configuration issues, low quality third-party apps and fear of viruses? Throw in with the folks who have no choice but to trade their heartbeats (time) for money they don't have building barely working shit like Unbuntu because they are from places where there is no infrastructure to leverage (like Silicon Valley) --or worse, buy into their quasi-communist task-masters in East Coast academia or the book-peddlers looking to profit from the whole "fame-slave racket"? I don't think so, especially when Macs can run everything the poor bastards struggling with their Unbuntu can turn-out and companies like Apple will always be cherry picking their work for you. The reality is that you can't even buy cold medicine these days without having your name run through a national database and the cell and land phone companies already have much (if not more) of this power. So buy Macs, but ma

    1. Re:Spotlight+iChat+GPS+AppleConnect by lightversusdark · · Score: 1

      Mod parent something. Not sure what, but they're not my points.

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    2. Re:Spotlight+iChat+GPS+AppleConnect by lightversusdark · · Score: 1

      Don't fucking bother then. Apologies my friend, I thought your post had more value than to languish at 0 all day, but I don't have any mod points.

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  47. Been there, done that... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1
    There are several of these sorts of projects running around. TopoFusion is one of them. Even nasty ol' Sony makes some sort of gizmo to do this.

    You have to supply your own GPS, the cord is a pain, but there are lots of bluetooth enabled GPS units available and if the camera makers would get their head out of there nether ends (And I'm looking at YOU Nikon), they could easily put a bluetooth chip in the camera.

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  48. Imagine indeed! by greg_barton · · Score: 1
    Imagine getting highly relevant messages, without even pressing a button, simply because you are in the vicinity and your preferences match the content of the post.

    Yes, I can imagine it. I worked on a project at Ericsson for a while called Geobility (or Geoportal, mattering on the whim of our head honcho) that was formed to accomplish this. I guess it's past the NDA. (1998...)

    Basically, the idea was you'd have a GPS enabled phone that would correlate location to your personal profile. (This was a revolutionary concept in '98) You'd also have a Geobility brand Visa card. Your movements and purchases would be recorded. If you had an item on your todo list, say "buy jeans," if you passed close enough to The Gap a little alert would show up on your phone: "Would you like to get %20 off jeans at The Gap? Only for a limited (next 30 minutes) time!"

    The idea was way, way ahead of it's time. So ahead that it was technically unfeasible. Also undoable for Ericsson. (Not enough industry clout to interest giants like Visa.) And eventually all RnD was shipped back to Sweden so the project was scuttled. Makes for a good yarn, though. :) And lots of "I toooold you this would happen" moments. :P
  49. Congratulations: by jpellino · · Score: 4, Funny

    "You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door."

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    1. Re:Congratulations: by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      "You are standing in a twisty flash mob, all of whom are different in the same way."

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  50. A DISBELEIVER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Burn him! Burn him at the stake!

  51. is this really new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    apple fags, get over yourselves. it's not new, you're not innovating (as in microsoft) and you're still fag.

  52. Bonjour by gravis777 · · Score: 1

    Imagine getting highly relevant messages, without even pressing a button, simply because you are in the vicinity and your preferences match the content of the post." Why would you need GPS to do this? Bonjour already does it. At least, it discovers people around you who are already on Bonjour using iChat, Adium, who are sharing files or printers through Bonjour, etc. How much harder would it be to do a blog or something like that? Bonjour has been open sourced, and Apple has even released an early (printer only) version of Bonjour for Windows. Seems overkill to put GPS recievers in the hardware to do something that is already built into Tiger.
  53. What to call it? by professorfalcon · · Score: 1

    Will this be known as moblogging or GPSyblogging?

  54. Zork + GPS by macmurph · · Score: 1

    West of House
    You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door.
    There is a small mailbox here.

    >examine mailbox
    The small mailbox reveals a leaflet.

    >get leaflet
    Taken.

    >

    1. Re:Zork + GPS by mtec · · Score: 1

      if I see you "standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door - in front of small mailbox" with an open MacBook, you aren't playing Zork, yer playin' Dork (and winning!).

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  55. imagine being stalked cuz yer a Mac user by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    this is AWFUL tech if there's no ability to turn OFF auto-location

    1) consider a woman fearing for her life from a stalker. she logs into her mac, he finds her with the handy-dandy GPS, then kills her.

    and what about the proliferation of all kinds of advertising?

    2) imagine going on a vacation, and every frkng 10 feet your cell phone bleeps because of new ads pouring in.

    it's bad enough already with my T-Mobile MDA which doesn't have spam filters (even the crappy ms outlook is better for spam filtering than my phone).
    staying over with a chick, my phone beeped all night because of the damned spam ads. she thought i was just getting booty calls.

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    1. Re:imagine being stalked cuz yer a Mac user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is AWFUL tech if there's no ability to turn OFF auto-location

      1) consider a woman fearing for her life from a stalker. she logs into her mac, he finds her with the handy-dandy GPS, then kills her. Maybe Apple isn't going to include the "broadcast your location to homicidal stalkers" feature.

      Seriously, nobody is talking about publishing your name and location on a web page for everyone to view here. Sheesh. (Whether hackers could obtain that information is another matter.)
    2. Re:imagine being stalked cuz yer a Mac user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know you can turn your phone off, right?
      And take your phone on vacation? Why? so work can call you in case of an emergency? That sounds like...work. On a vacation?

  56. blog the world by faridx82 · · Score: 0

    Apple: Gee, google, what are we going to do tonight? Google: The same thing we do everynight apple, try to take over the world!

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  57. Indoor Satellites? Technological Barriers by PHPfanboy · · Score: 1

    Perhaps I'm wrong, but doesn't GPS need a satellite signal for it to provide location info? I can see all those MacBook toting trendies (me included!) hanging out of top floor windows just trying to get some reception (unless of course Wifi hotspots will all have GPS tags associated with them!)

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  58. stolen laptops phone home with gps info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    woule be a great feature. And then it should be able to be turned off for privacy issues. Dead man switch which activates the call home feature.

  59. Likely Misconceptions by Dak+RIT · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Every assumption here on Slashdot for the most part seems to assume that ANYBODY can "write" information in a location and when you walk into that location it is wirelessly transferred to your iPod, iPhone whatever, so that you have no control of what content you are receiving.

    Wouldn't it be far more likely for the information to be downloaded to your iPod FIRST, and then the information already on your iPod is then simply triggered to come up when you're in a specific location? Stores could potentially use this data for advertisements, but you'd have to agree to download them first... not likely. I think a more likely use of this technology could be by museums or various attractions to provide a kind of "virtual guide" to people with iPods/iPhones, or by individuals themselves to possibly import information from iCal for example to help them remember appointments, or to use as a personal shopping list reminder that sits right there in one device with your music, phone, etc, quite convenient. Dak

  60. Yawn by Z33kPhr3k · · Score: 1

    When are we going to see GoogleDesktop for the Mac. Spotlight sucks.

  61. The flaw in your logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Brazilian Tranny Wars 43 is a pile of garbage. No self-respecting porn recommendation system would offer that up to a fan of the far superior Chixx with Dixx series.

  62. What's next, the implantable iRFID? by feranick · · Score: 1

    Why do I want to have my location known, by Apple, advertisers, Google, you name it? Isn't it enough to be tracked by the use of cellphones? Most of the time I don't want people to know where I am. But then again, it's Apple so it's cool. What's next? The cool iRFID, a new implant so we will not have to enter any info any more, because it's "there"? Give me a break.

  63. Well lets break this into two parts. by goldcd · · Score: 1

    First of all Apple refused to sign any OEM deals at all - if you want Apple hardware it comes with OSX installed. Try ordering it with XP instead, or without an OS as all (and the $50 rebate Dell will actually give you).
    Secondly, Apple authorized resellers have evil restrictions on what they can/can't sell. I had a chat to my local one a bit ago at a time of iPod shortage. Apple really didn't want him to sell PC stuff, and those that fell out of favour (for whatever reason) suddenly found they were last on the allocation list for limited supply stock.
    Apple have simultaneously treated their indie sellers like shit, causing a number of them to close, whilst simultaneously rolling out their own boutiques. Apple now do the hardware, the software and the retailing via their site and shops - htf can you then turn round and say Apple doesn't have a monopoly?

  64. In Soviet Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Russia, graffiti writes on you.

  65. GPS doesn't work inside buildings by WarJolt · · Score: 1

    Does this mean I have to go outside to aquire a satellite each time I use my MacBook? The only alternative I see is trangulation with cell towers, but that seems like an expensive solution.

  66. DVD regions by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

    > You would have thought the same thing for 'regions' on DVD's, but the public didnt form a lynching gang on that one either.

    Mostly because region free DVD players were available from day one.

  67. "highly relevant messages" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "B u Y V eye AhGra H Earr !!1! @t ChUks DzC0unT Drug St0re!"

    Great - as long as the 'wonderful new feature' can be disabled by default.

  68. Indeed. by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    It was slightly irrelevant to my already overwrought rant, so I didn't give the full story about how I recently got interrupted _five_ times while trying to pay for my groceries.

    First, to ask for my Shaw's card. (I presented it).

    Second, to ask whether I wanted to buy a card shaped like a pumpkin and donate $1 to some charity. (I accepted).

    Third, to ask whether I had some kind of promotional game card in which my supermarket purchases would entitle me to paste stickers onto a sort of Candyland map with the eventual goal of obtaining a free turkey. (I declined, causing a further forty-five-second delay as the clerk could not tolerate the idea of someone passing up the possibility of getting something for free, and felt obliged, in my own interest, to explain the deal to me several times).

    Fourth, to ask whether I wanted to buy the week's X-Treme Value, ten bottles of Ex-Pel sports water fortified with urea or something like that for just $10, regular price $1.29 each. (I declined. I've yet to see anyone accept. This, at least, is always a short interruption as the salespeople, obviously smarting from repeated rejection, make the request in a half-hearted, perfunctory way. I've never yet had one of them actually say "You don't want to buy this weeks X-Treme Value item, do you?" but it's only a matter of time.)

    Fifth, to remind me, when asked whether the total is OK, not to push the Yes button, but to push the green Enter button instead. (This has not always been true. It started... ummm... about a year ago. I keep wondering why they don't just fix it...)

  69. theyve had this in mind for awhile by Xel · · Score: 1

    Shortly before the MacBook Pros were first released, I was in on a conference call with other reps from most of the big AppleStores. Apple's hardware engineers wanted to hear what features customers were requesting most for their laptops. Just about every store rep including myself chimed in almost simultaneously "GPS". I personally can't get psyched for the technology (Still dont have a nav system in mr car and probably never will- analog maps work fine for me) but there's no question people were asking for it all the time. That, and power cords that wouldn't break. I think they chose the right one to fix first, and now they're maybe tackling the other?

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  70. No not that button! by Servo · · Score: 1

    I tossed my Shaw's card. I don't care about free turkey's and the such. If you tell them you don't want a card they will usually scan in their own card so they get the "rewards points" but you still get the discount and targeted coupons.

    I can't see why they even attempt to push the "Xtreme Value" on people as they are checking out. I know the kids that work at the registers have to do it, but it still seems like a waste of time and energy with so little sales potential. Especially considering you are already bombarded with magazines, candy, and soda in the checkout line already. The only reasoning behind this I can see is that Martin Lloyd infiltrated their sales executive team.

    The most annoying thing about the Yes vs. Enter button is the reaction from the clerk. Despite the fact that I shop there every week and know the drill, they still insist on rushing you through the debit card process. If you aren't quick enough, they will even press the buttons accepting the payment and cashback amounts for you. That really gets on my nerves, because *I* am responsible for verifying and accepting the amount. You wouldn't reach into my wallet to get the cash, so why would you do the same thing to my debit card?

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  71. Re:"integration" or "anti-competitive practices"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about a 100 % monopolistic approach to iTunes songs and videos, perhaps?

    iTunes files only play on an Apple iPod.

    When Apple customers can play there tunes on this and their movies on this, while running an GPL OS license copy of iTunes on this,
    then you know that Apple is dedicated to meeting the needs of ALL of it's customers, worldwide.

    Typically, the marketplace favors the more open companies, more open formats.

    So Apple should release a stripped down 'Lite' version of OS X for all PCs, for free.
    (Include TextEdit, Calculator, DVD player, Safari, Mail, and iTunes, and the Utilities with the Lite OS X for PCs).
    Sell iLife, QuickTime Pro, and iWork as separate products, that still can run on the Lite OS X for PCs.
    License the Apple protected file format to other manufacturers.

    Release the free Lite OS X the same day when MS Vista ships - let customers decide what they want.
    Make Lite OS X downloadable as a burnable .iso image, or pick up a copy of it at the Apple store for $9.95 CD in a box. The Lite OS X CD should be a bootable full playing install CD like a Linux Live Install CD.

    Still a full copy of OS X (with iLife) comes with the purchase of an Apple Mac PC.

    Having more compatibility with an even larger user base does not diminish profits,
    it should increase global sales for Apple and from iTunes even more.

    iTunes proved that when iTunes went from a Macintosh Only software - to a Windows & Mac software.
    OS X can prove that same example too - since it would run quite easily on any 'Vista' compatible PC.

  72. fire is a bad master by bandmassa · · Score: 1

    After reading most of the comments, and concerns that this is either "cool because Apple are doing it" or universally bad, the issue with a technology is not the technology, but the use it is put to. The reason this idea is percieved as cool because Apple are doing it is because Apple has always had a reputation of being user focused, while Microsoft are more "owner focused".

    Apple expect the owner to be the user. All their talk earlier this decade about "digital hubs" in the loungeroom mean they see their product as being sold to the person who will make the "policy" decisions about acceptable use as well as doing the work on it. That means it will integrate well in Mac OS, stay out of the way and simply work. The cool stuff will come from the garage developers, just like with motion sensor stuff.

    If Microsoft were to implement this (in Vista +10 years? OK, that was cheeky, sorry) it would be focused on corporate environments, and would be all about reminding people about company policy, advertising and keeping the user in line. I don't blame microsoft for this, they are serving their largest customer base, the corporate world - it's exactly what they should do, because that's their most important sector. It's probably perceived as "evil" because "the boss" is seen as a villain by most people.

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  73. Already exists by witherstaff · · Score: 1

    This has been out for awhile. Siemen's Digital graffitti http://w4.siemens.de/ct/en/technologies/se/beispie le/graffitis.html, Yellow Arrow http://yellowarrow.net/ and Socialight http://socialight.com/ all do GPS based info. Although they all basically suck right now so maybe apple will figure out how to do it right.