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Second Life Open Sources Client

An anonymous reader writes "Just noticed that Second Life released their client under the GPL today, and that they're up to 2.4 million users. Article says that 15% of users contribute scripted objects."

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  1. Excellent! by thygrrr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Really, this is a great step towards "Cyberspace" á la Snow Crash. Open Source and, eventually, Open Standars will vastly spur development of this technology.

  2. Linden does not have 2.4 million users by cshirky · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Linden does not have 2.4 million users, and it does not regularly report how many users it does have. It reports "Residents", a figure that includes people who have signed up for Second Life but never logged in. It also double-counts people who have more than one avatar.

    More about the uselessness of the Residents figure here: http://many.corante.com/archives/2006/12/26/linden s_second_life_numbers_and_the_presss_desire_to_bel ieve.php#comments

    The only person to whom Linden has reported a count of active users is David Kirkpatrick of Fortune, and as of last week, only 252K people had logged into Second Life twice or more in two month -- the rest were bailouts. This 252K figure, which is a much more accurate reflection of Second Life's popularity, is an order of magnitude lower than most of the press is reporting.

    More on Kirkpatrick's numbers here: http://many.corante.com/archives/2007/01/04/real_s econd_life_numbers_thanks_to_david_kirkpatrick.php

  3. Good luck Linden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Second Life is utterly dated graphically and has a primitive client.

    This open source effort is a bid to get the community to do what Linden Labs
    has failed to do thus far -- bring their offering into the 21st century.

    The clock is ticking for Linden. If anyone thinks that there won't be a better,
    more sophisticated and vastly more profitable virtual community within the next
    five years, they're either dreaming or they're one of the suckers who has invested
    in virtual real estate believing that Second Life has some unique grip on the
    concept of virtual communities.

    Open Sourcing the client is an effort to cinch public acceptance of Second Life
    as the defacto standard in virtual communities. My bet is that Second Life is
    dethroned faster than anyone expects. The experience just isn't remotely
    sophisticated, graphically rich or slick enough to have staying power.

  4. What's a Resident? by popo · · Score: 4, Interesting


    I downloaded the client a few months back, created an avatar and wandered around:

    I felt the experience was primitive, with sub-par graphics, a horrible UI and poor performance
    (I'm on a PC graphics workstation with a very fast connection -- that should easily have been able
    to handle it). The music was some sort of cheesy new-age MIDI composition, and the character
    models seemed like 1990's low-poly attempts at something stylisticly mid 1980's. The character
    interaction was poor, there were clipping issues and there was a poor response time with
    the environment.

    I uninstalled the software within 1 hour.

    I'll never log in to Second Life again, and I remain convinced that the contest to be the first
    to develop a compelling virtual community is still a wide-open race.

    But in terms of statistics, I can assure you that Linden Labs still counts me as a "Resident".

    Which begs the question: How representitive am I of Second Life residents in general?

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    1. Re:What's a Resident? by carpe_noctem · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Which begs the question: How representitive am I of Second Life residents in general?

      You're not alone, trust me. Your post deserves to be modded up... I had the same exact experience as you, but I was willing to forgive the crappy graphics and lame music if the community itself had something meaningful to offer the net. Based off of my time in second life, and the slew of recent press that it's gathered, I still have not seen this. As far as I'm concerned, SL is a cheesy VRML-like IRC, except with "furries" and flying penises. SL's in-game economy interested me, but as it became blatantly obvious that you can't make real money on selling fake things, people wrote copybots and other scripts designed to take advantage of this fact. Hell, I'm surprised that SL hasn't already been flooded with spammers....

      I'm sure that just like with the original VRML worlds, people will eventually see the emperor isn't wearing any clothes, and then move on to another community.

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      "Quoting famous computer scientists out of context is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - K
  5. Wonderful news! by vadim_t · · Score: 5, Interesting

    SL has a number of problems. One of them is that the client is well, slow. Framerates of 5 FPS aren't entirely uncommon in some areas. Now instead of blindly speculating, we can look at it and actually tell whether it's just badly coded, or the nature of SL makes it work slowly. This will probably also spur some effort in trying to make it take advantage of multicore CPUs.

    Another thing to try would be rewriting the UI. It would be a lot less painful to use if the UI and display weren't in sync, so that when things were slow you could still type at a normal speed.

    My personal area of interest would be attempting to provide some sort of way to let SL objects provide a better interface. The sort of interface that can be scripted in SL is very primitive as of now. Being able to make an object with a full dialog with buttons, dropdown lists, a list view, etc would really improve the usability of complex objects.

    This should also give a big push to the libsecondlife project, which is also a great thing. SL can be used as a platform for interesting things, such as A-Life experiments. That's another thing I plan to try eventually.

    On the Linux side, I'd like to see the integration of something like DCOP, or at least a named pipe to communicate with the SL client. For coding it'd be wonderful to run 'make' and have all the modified scripts automatically sent to SL. Currently this requires an edit, copy, paste into SL cycle.

  6. negative posts by Danathar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I find it interesting that DESPITE the fact that the majority of posts from "People who know" that Second life is a steaming pile of crap that it continues to grow.

    Go watch the video at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-518275975 8975402950&q=second+life that was done for google.

    The fact of the matter is SL is VERY interesting due to the way in which it's built. It's flexible and the people who run it are BIG proponents of open sourcing everything they can. When you ask them about the number of users they tend to be honest about what they think is real and what are just scripts running. The BS is usually from Trolls.

    As for the quality of the graphics.

    1. All the content is USER CREATED. Go someplace in SL where people know how to use Blender or Maya and it looks great. Go someplace made by somebody who just learned how to sculpt prims yesterday and it sucks.

    2. There is a GREAT live music community growing in SL. The quality is pretty good since you can get up to 768Kb/s of bandwidth to stream your live event.

    3. Guess what? The graphics are as good as the clients can handle considering that their primary objective at this point is a flexible world that allows users to create what they want and be scalable.

    The majority of people who "crap" on SL (that I've talked to) expect something like WoW. WoW is a TOTALLY different monster. Scripted world, Blizzard created objects...and a much lower age group demographic.

    If you want WoW...go play WoW. But don't expect SL to be LIKE WoW.

    1. Re:negative posts by ka-klick · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thank you for posting this, it's about time someone took a step back and put up a fair analysis and this is as close as I've seen here. It seems that most of the people who love to rail on and on about how crappy SL is are the ones who logged on expecting a game. This is a fundamental flaw in their logic, since LL has been stating for some time that SL is NOT a game, it is a platform, built to provide user created content to other users. Unlike WoW (or FPS or any mainstream commercial game) which all have gobs of assets pre-optimized and stored on your hard drive, SL has to stream everything you see to you in real time. It's a different animal, and if you're looking at it and comparing it to any of those, you're comparing apples and wildebeest. Just not the same thing at all (even though SL looks a fair deal like an older tech game).

      As to live music, thank you for pointing that out. I've been performing there regularly for about a year now and I can say that the experience is definitely different than just streaming audio and publishing the URL (or even putting out a webcam stream along with it). It is much more like the RL experience, in that the audience just needs to be in the "place" and they get the audio - no need for getting people to go to your URL or even know your performing - they can just wander into their favorite "pub" or other venue and see/hear who's playing there. There is also the possibility for much more direct feedback from the audience than in the just plain streaming environment and overall, it really is more like the real thing than any alternative I've seen.

      So, OK all you 1337 gamz0rz SL sucks as a game. Fine. Go farm some gold in WoW and get on with your life. I find it amazing that people seem to have to always find something to sneer at, and will make use of any opportunity to do so, loudly and in public. If it wasn't your cup of tea, fine, go play, leave it to those who are interested in this new platform.

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  7. Re:Excellent? Maybe ... by plover · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Frankly, I'd rather pay them to host the servers than to try to host my own. What with all the griefers making life miserable for the server maintainers, it hardly seems worth the effort to try to run your own public server.

    Of course you could run your own private server, like the Construct in the Matrix. You could do things like the "jump" program and "learn karate". But unlike the movie, you can't carry your guns from the fake fake world to the real fake world.

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  8. Re:Second Life Irrelevant? by Watts+Martin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, for starters, you've missed that major companies are buying "land" in Second Life and conducting meetings and interviews there. Politicians have conducted town hall meetings there. And Reuters has opened their first cyberspace news bureau in SL. As easy as it may be to mock these bits of information, I think they represent something very important: many companies and services have attempted to be "the metaverse" a la Snow Crash in the past, but what's going on in Second Life is, as klunky and hesitant as it may be, the metaverse actually happening.

    For a year I worked for SL's erstwhile competitor, There, which was the one most people were betting on to "win" when both got going. (There made the cover of Business 2.0 and got out of the starting gate with companies like Nike already selling virtual products in-world.) And in a lot of ways There's client technology still kicks SL's ass; the experience is much smoother, even on less high-powered hardware. There's in-world "look" was designed by actual artists, including a former Disney imagineer or two, so when you wander around your eyes don't bleed. There has a sophisticated VR auction system designed by one of eBay's original employees. There accepts models created with GMax rather than a klunky proprietary design system, and ThereScript is based on Lua and is considerably better than Linden's scripting language.

    But what Linden figured out that There didn't is that user-created content is king. SL really didn't give a damn if your eyes bled -- they opened the floodgates. Old "Therians" may boggle at my mention of ThereScript, because AFAIK There still hasn't opened it up to users even though they were talking about it when I was there in 2003. (There also had outstanding bugs in the "consumer service" that were going unfixed for months, if not years, IIRC, which were less a matter of technology than politics.)

    Personally, I think SL's "under the hood" design is its Achilles' heel, and open-sourcing the client isn't going to help it -- they have a stream-everything model (possibly because their original team apparently came from Real Networks?) and the object system really isn't as sophisticated as what you'd find on an average MUCK server. Someone out there is almost certainly working on what amounts to "Third Life": a design and engineering sensibility as good as There's was (or at least aspired to be), with the understanding of the marketplace and user desires that Linden has. When this happens, that service will be the metaverse equivalent of World of Warcraft to SL's Everquest.

    But between all the jokes about flying penises and the ritual mocking of the furries, I think SL is going to prove to be historically important in shaping an "avatar space." Yeah, the idea that a decade from now, it'll be common for businesses to have a virtual storefront in avatar space sounds pretty crazy, and I certainly wouldn't bet on it happening. But you know, in 1994, I'm not sure many of us would have predicted that by 2004, businesses that didn't have a URL would seem to be behind the times.