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NASA Will Go Metric On the Moon

An anonymous reader writes "Space.com is reporting that NASA has decided to use the metric system for its new lunar missions. NASA hopes that metrication will allow easier international participation and safer missions. The loss of the Mars Climate Orbiter was blamed on an error converting between English units and metric units. 'When we made the announcement at the meeting, the reps for the other space agencies all gave a little cheer,' said a NASA official."

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  1. Yay!!! by Spritzer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now if only American car companies will budge that extra 17/32" and finish going metric rather than forcing me to have 2 sets of tools for one car. Then I can "Compare Prices on Physics and Engineering" here at /.

    1. Re:Yay!!! by illegalcortex · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm not sure why Americans feel the need to stick to imperial
      Because using a crappy system 95% of the time is better than using a good system 50% of the time and a crappy system 50% of the time?

      I wish everyone in the US had switched to metric before I was born. But if they were only going to do it half-assed (0.196850394-assed for metric folks), I'd just as soon stick with the crappy system. If you're going to do something poorly, at least by consistent.
    2. Re:Yay!!! by spagetti_code · · Score: 4, Insightful
      If you're going to do something poorly, at least by consistent.
      Yeah, because we know how consistent the imperial system is...

      Let me see...

      16 ounces to the pound
      14 pounds to the stone
      2240 pounds to the ton (more correctly a long ton)
      1000 pounds to the short ton
      40 cubic feet to the freight ton

      And this is my favourite:
      Both the long and short ton are 20 hundredweights, but the
      hundredweight differs from 100 to 108 pounds.

      Dont forget the furlong, rood, pole, chain, link, inches, feet, yards...

      Yeah... that looks pretty consistent. /sarcasm.

    3. Re:Yay!!! by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
      ..reprogramming vast amounts of software that makes use of these conversions. The short-term chaos probably would not be worth it.
      Exactly, which is why America hasn't adopted the metric system wholesale.

      Seems to make sense, until you wonder why it didn't stop every other country in the world from converting to metric decades ago. Also, it causes untold grief for everyone else when their American software always defaults to Imperial units ("PC LOAD LETTER" is a familiar message to many who have an A4 size paper tray). And while you're at it, change the date notation to DMY or YMD, MDY is another continuous irritation. After you've done that, we can discuss your spelling.

  2. Necessary but difficult by carambola5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a necessary, but difficult transition. Yes, difficult. Maybe it's pretty easy for the programmers, but for the mechanical guys out there (like myself), this introduces a huge relearning phase. Say, for example, I need some sheet metal to function as a structural piece. I can be pretty confident that my initial guess will be pretty close to the final thickness value if specified in imperial units. I also know what's typically readily available from suppliers (eg: 1/4" is far more common than 15/64"). Not only must I do a conversion from my ingrained inch units into "foreign" metric, but I must also look up which sizes are common.

    With time, I would be just as good with metric as with imperial units. And I want to change to metric for its obvious advantages. It's just that my design confidence and productivity would falter through the transition. I'm quite sure I'm not alone on this.

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  3. Re:Why are we still using the US system? by porcupine8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's nothing inherently inaccurate about the measurement system itself. You can measure down to the millionth of an inch if you want. If a contractor is going to be loose with their measurements, they could just as easily say "Eh, that's about two meters" as "Eh, that's about seven feet". You can't make people measure down the the millimeter just because it's available on their measuring tape.

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  4. Re:Good start by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    recruited a 2.1336 meter guy

          You use 3 significant figures in the imperial system when you say 7'11". Why do you feel you have to use 5 significant figures in the metric system? 2.13 m is good enough. It's not that hard really.

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  5. Re:Another pointless "victory" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Using the metric or imperial system would not matter one bit if all you're measuring is distance or volume. But as soon as you start converting distance into volume (quick question: how many cubic inches in a pint?), or thrust into velocity (quick: you apply a one-pound force to a one-pound object for one second. What's the resulting speed, measured in mph?), or torque into power, or energy into force or power, the beauty of the SI (metric) system really stands out. In the imperial system, the only way to get these calculations right is to insert all sorts of wacky numbers. Which you need to remember with potentially infinite precision.

    Try this beauty: 1 Nm (Newton-meter) equals 1 J (Joule) equals 1 Ws (Watt-second). In the imperial system you'd have to insert all sorts of wacky numbers to go from pount-feet to calories to, strangely enough, Watt-seconds again. (Electricity, even in the US, is always measured in metric.)

    Or more practical: Ever tried to convert the torque that your car engine delivers (measured in pound-feet) at a certain rpm (rounds per minute) to the horsepower (hp) that it delivers? In SI, it's a simple multiplication: Power (measured in W, or more commonly kW) = 2 * pi * torque (measured in Nm) * rotation speed (measured in 1/s). No wacky, imprecise numbers. Just 2 * pi due to the rotation and that's it.

    The SI system and all the calculations you do with them are completely void of wacky numbers, with only a few exceptions:
    - 2 times pi for anything that involves rotation.
    - Natures constants like c (lightspeed), g (gravitational accelleration), e (elementry electric charge) and a few others, about half an A4 page full of them.
    - Natural properties (like density) of materials that you use.

    Since NASA does *a lot* of these calculations (how much force do you need to accelerate/decelerate the lunar lander, what's the effect of gravity?) I can understand why they switch to metric.

  6. How many days in a year? by mangu · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Why not use: 100 sec an hour, 10 hour a day, 100 hours a month and so on?


    Yeah, right, so that would make it 1000 days in a year? And PI==10.0, I guess. The problem with imperial unit apologists is that they make such unreasonable arguments to try to justify an unreasonable system.


    Now, let's get this straight, write it down carefully: the International System unit of time is the second. Minutes, hours, days, weeks, and months are ***NOT*** metric units


    We have such weird units of time partly because neither the lunar month nor the solar day are exact divisors of the year and partly because of an old tradition on dividing the day. But, no matter how hours and minutes are counted, these are not part of the International System. You may buy eggs and beer cans by the dozen, but a kilogram is still a thousand grams.

  7. Re:Imperial Staying Power by JanneM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You do realize, of course, that using metric units in no way stops you from using fractions rather than decimal whenever it is convenient?

    You may use 3/4 cups of something; I'll use 1 1/2 dl. And one pint is a fairly good size for a beer, but then, so is 40cl, the normal size in Sweden. But of course we don't call it "40cl"; it's a "large beer".

    If I estimate people's height, I'll just estimate to the nearest 5cm. That is a pretty convenient scale; fine enough to get close, and rough enough for me to have a good chance of being right.

    Pretty much none of your arguments have anything to do with the units used, but with how you use them - and you can do it equally with either measurement system. As a guess, you have not had to use metric very much so you just have never built up a collection of mental tools equal to the one's you use for inches and stuff, and so you see it as clumsy and ill-fitting.

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