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Microsoft Offers Peek At Next-Gen CRM

4foot10 writes "As reported by VARBusiness.com, Microsoft's next release of its Dynamics CRM application, code-named 'Titan', is moving a little closer to completion. Today, the vendor is making the new software, which uses a single code base to support on-premise and software-as-a-service deployments, available to several hundred business partners for testing, giving them an early start on developing complementary solutions."

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  1. What's a CRM? by seebs · · Score: 5, Funny

    For those of us who haven't eaten alphabits in a few years, what's a CRM, and why do we care?

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    1. Re:What's a CRM? by Henry+2.0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Customer Relationship Management.

    2. Re:What's a CRM? by seebs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thanks! But what's it DO?

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    3. Re:What's a CRM? by Meatloaf+Surprise · · Score: 5, Funny

      Manages customer relations, duh

    4. Re:What's a CRM? by Henry+2.0 · · Score: 5, Informative

      From Wikipedia

      Customer relationship management (CRM) is a broad term that covers concepts used by companies to manage their relationships with customers, including the capture, storage and analysis of customer information.

      There are three aspects of CRM which can each be implemented in isolation from each other:

      • Operational CRM- automation or support of customer processes that include a company's sales or service representative
      • Collaborative CRM- direct communication with customers that does not include a company's sales or service representative ("self service")
      • Analytical CRM- analysis of customer data for a broad range of purposes
      Full Article
    5. Re:What's a CRM? by mean+pun · · Score: 5, Funny
      Manages customer relations, duh

      You mean it sends them a Xmas card, goes to visit them from time to time, and if they are really good customers it takes them to dinner sometimes? Or is it more like the kind of software that walks into their shop and says `Really nice place you have here, pity if it would burn, eh? Luigi here is really disappointed with your negative attitude to us.'?

    6. Re:What's a CRM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ok, that sounds great ... but what does it DO?

    7. Re:What's a CRM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Crap Released by Microsoft

    8. Re:What's a CRM? by GhaleonStrife · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think it came before DRM.

    9. Re:What's a CRM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If the rest of this thread didn't tip you off, it's an overloaded term that means fuck-all to anybody except people responsible for buying and selling software. CRM platforms tend to do whatever the squadron of consultants who set them up tell them to, and tend to be enormous monstrosities to that end.

      Think of the suite of applications you or your employer run to keep the business going. Now, imagine that those things were all hooked into an enormous, proprietary back-end (if you're running Windows, you're halfway there...). That's CRM: a really good way of squeezing money out of customers.

      The only really universal features common to everything that claims to be CRM software are:

      a) A database
      b) A six-to-eight-figure contract with the vendor

      Nobody really needs it. Everybody sells, or wants to sell, it. Lots of money in it.

    10. Re:What's a CRM? by SeaFox · · Score: 3, Funny

      I thought it was Cranial Rights Management. A new way to keep you from enjoying the portions of copyrighted music you remember in your head.

    11. Re:What's a CRM? by $pearhead · · Score: 2, Funny
      I think it came before DRM
      Yeah and first came ARM. However, all that crap is really old compared to the new and exciting E(rr)R(h)M!
    12. Re:What's a CRM? by Linker3000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      CRM is one of a broad range of software applications that can be purchased off the shelf, obtained through Open Source channels or implemented by a software consultancy firm that spends a lot of time with you to determine your needs, develops a draft spec, agrees a stonkingly large fee and then sends a team of developers to live with you for many months, drinking your coffee, attempting to get off with the secretaries and hacking your vending machines.

      Soon, the consultancy company realises they have underestimated the complexity of your requirements and that it is going to take much longer to implement, but they demand more money and time on the basis that YOU have changed the spec. After an extended period of development, a highly-personalised software application is handed over to you and you soon discover that it works pretty much to specification but with quite a few rough edges that will be "dealt with as part of the 5-year snags process".

      The system is so complex to manage that the only people who can support it are the original developers - but they are mostly working elsewhere on other projects by now or have left to become 'independent consultants' advising other customers who are having terrible problems getting their CRM system to work properly due to poor implementation.

      Even though the software consultancy firm cannot support your system to your satisfaction, you are locked into a support contract that means you pay an annual fee to them for the rest of your life. Eventually you begin to abandon parts of the software "'cos it's quicker and easier to do it in a spreadsheet".

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    13. Re:What's a CRM? by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So is toilet cleaning. But I don't care about that industry either.

            Let me guess, you own a gas station?

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    14. Re:What's a CRM? by D-Cypell · · Score: 2
      CRM is one of a broad range of software applications that can be purchased off the shelf, obtained through Open Source channels or implemented by a software consultancy firm that spends a lot of time with you to determine your needs, develops a draft spec, agrees a stonkingly large fee and then sends a team of developers to live with you for many months, drinking your coffee, attempting to get off with the secretaries and hacking your vending machines.


      As someone who spent years developing CRM products, this paragraph had me in tears of laughter. You sir, are my new god, I am constructing your church as we speak.
    15. Re:What's a CRM? by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 2
      We're a 10-year-old engineering firm with about 50 employees. Out current contact database is 15,000 individual contacts.

      CRM is when Outlook and Exchange alone aren't good enough. CRM software is a combination of an address book, calendar, and record keeping system. Basically, it lets you record all the information about every customer or potential customer you interact with, and it will then record every email, phone call, sale (won or lost), purchases, customer interests, etc. It then lets you manipulate all that data in your standard SQL munging, data mining ways. It can also include trouble ticket systems.

      CRM is specifically targeted at sales & marketing (who primarily interact with customers). ERP/ERM software (Enterprise Resource Planning/Management) also can include vendor (purchasing) information, project management, time sheets, document libraries, customer service, financial accounting, etc.

      Considering the number of FLOSS ERP and CRM products, I'm surprised more people don't know about it.

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  2. Good for web apps? by Henry+2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At least in the instance of hosted applications, it's an opportunity for online application vendors to rub their shoulders with the huge vendors such as microsoft.

    We've already begun using online spreadsheet tools to replace (almost) a few office applications, but the scope for apps like a centralised CRM database rooted in a b2b myspace style mashup is on the cards now - should be very interesting to see who gets there first.

    me first me first!

    erm hmmm... Web 3.0 anyone? :)

  3. What's a customer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Manages customer relations, duh"

    Well thank God that open-source doesn't have that problem.

  4. and after *that*... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "which uses a single code base to support on-premise and software-as-a-service deployments"

    And after that, they're going to leverage their synergies!

  5. with Microsoft CRM by oohshiny · · Score: 3, Funny

    With Microsoft CRM, your customer relations can be as good as Microsoft's.

    (Note: the monopoly CRM module, including customer abuse and forced upgrades, costs extra.)

  6. Typical CRM by Psychotria · · Score: 3, Funny

    Microsoft CRM (Customer relationship management). Interesting idea. WGA. Deciding what can and cannot be played/viewed. Having a great help-desk that only ever gets used because people buy a new video card and need to reactivate Windows. In fact, I didn't even know that Microsoft had customer relationships (apart from, we give you a piece of crappy software and you pay us to try and use it). Last time I was involved in Microsoft CRM, it went something like this:

    Me: Hi. I just bought a new video card and now Windows is asking me to reactivate.

    MS: Thanks for calling Microsoft. How can we help?

    Me: I just bought a new video card and now Windows is asking me to reactivate. How do I do this?

    MS: Thanks for calling Microsoft. Your call is important to us. All our operators are busy at the moment. Please hold the line. **Microsoft jingle plays**

    MS Rep: Thanks for calling Microsoft. How can I serve you today?

    Me: Err... I need to reactivate Windows

    MS Rep: How many computers do you currently have Windows installed on?

    Me: None, it's broken

    MS Rep: The Microsoft(TM)(R)(C)(Patent Pending) XP Operating System is for use on one computer only. Because your copy is not installed on a computer, you are in violation of the EULA subclause 287.111, where it clearly says that you must install Windows (TM) (C) (Patent Pending) on ONE computer only.

    Me: Yes, I am trying to install it on this computer

    MS Rep: You cannot install it on that computer because you are in violation of the EULA by not having it installed on any computer at all

    Me: ....

    1. Re:Typical CRM by just_another_sean · · Score: 2, Informative

      Adding an NVidia card to my Shuttle to replace the i810 graphics *did* cause me to have to reactivate my MSDN copy of XP.

      What bothered me more was a time when I disabled my network card to stop the netbios chattering while I was playing a game. I finished playing, shut down the machine and went to bed. When I tried to boot up the next day I was greeted with the activation message. Now, when it happened with my video card I was able to activate over the internet. Stupidly because my network card was installed but disabled I couldn't log in to enable it, couldn't reactivate over the internet and really didn't feel like trying to call MS on a saturday to reactivate it.

      I ended up grabbing an old 30G hard drive, slaving it to the shuttle's primary and installing Ubuntu in it. It ran like that for two weeks before I finally got around to calling MS. But yeah, your right when I called they were fairly quick, nice ( I got nervous little twitters of laughter from the rep when I explained the situation, glad *she* found it funny anyway!) and I was reactivated pretty quick.

      I still think it's BS.

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  7. Re:Wikipedia says: by cyxxon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nah, it's not a marketing term, and not something even remotely connected to DRM. I am a CRM consultant (though not dealing with Microsoft's implementation, but rather SAP). Among the various aspects of business software, CRM is the part that helps a company get new contracts and keep good relations to their old customers. It is indeed (among others things) responsible for sending out Xmas cards, but also for sending new offers to old customers. You can build web shops for B2B and B2C with it, and you can track which of your customers are how "valuable" (i.e. purchase what and how much of it) and are the best targets for new campaigns for new products. This is a booming industry, my company (Germany, ~170 consultants) is currently looking for CRM consultants because everybody and their mother is realizing they need better ways to manage their customers then simply keeping them as debitors in their Enterprise Resource Planning system or as contacts in an Outlook system.

  8. What's a CRM? Basically a ticket management system by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you work in support you probably use something almost identical already. You know; RT, OTRS, Bugzilla, Remedy.

    A CRM usually has a couple of add ons though. A link to a comprehensive database of customers which records all interactions with them via email, telephone, snail mail etc so that marketing can look for purchase preferences to send them junk mail and customer services can make sure customers are happy rather than annoyed.

    The other thing is usually a workflow add on (many ticket systems already have this) so that you can take a customer request through various business processes, be that a sale, a problem resolution, whatever. It makes sure that they eventually get through to the end without dropping through the cracks.

    There's various other features depending on the vendor but you can pretty much roll your own CRM system using some of the open source ticket management systems, they just need a little tweaking.

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  9. Beta Testing by LlamaDragon · · Score: 2, Informative

    My company has been "beta testing" this fancy new CRM business for nearly a year. We've moved our customer info out of the old AS/400 and we've moved our help desk from Heat to CRM to track call tickets, projects, etc. I can't say it's been a smooth transition, but that may be due to the fact that the consultant working with us isn't the best. (I won't get into that much but we spent hours in "training" while he attempted to figure out what he was trying to train us.) On the bright side, because we got in so early, I'm told we've had a lot of input into what goes into the program.

    There are two sides to this CRM program that I can see. The first is how well it actually manages customer relationships. The second is more technical. As far as the first thing goes, it manages information pretty well (I'm no sales person, but it's pretty straight forward and easy to use). The technical aspect, though, is troubling.

    Due to our size, we don't use a hosted solution, we run our own server in house. There's a plugin for Outlook that gives access to the system, or you can use your favorite MS browser to access the system if you don't have Outlook, or if you want it to work faster and not drag your system down. The whole thing is just web based forms. There are two separate clients for Outlook. The "laptop version" and the "desktop version."

    The desktop version will do three things - 1. Allow you to access the CRM system. 2. Make starting and closing Outlook an excruciatingly long process. 3. Prevent your computer from shutting down unless you manually close Outlook, with no helpful error/warning messages. It just sits with outlook open, and you can tell it to shutdown over and over.

    The laptop version has all the "features" of the desktop version, but it installs a personal version of SQL Server so you can access customer info when you're offline. This has the added benefit of being an incredible memory hog. When I first tried it I only had 512 megabytes of memory, and it was more than happy to use 100-200 for the Outlook/CRM Combo even when I wasn't offline. It was so bad I requested extra memory, but they told me to quit using the laptop version (I don't need all that customer info at my fingertips anyway).

    Just recently we discovered that you can aim IE (but not Firefox...go figure) at the server and access the entire system that way without bringing Outlook to it's knees. This has the added benefit of loading the pages more quickly, however there is always lag from when you click on an item to when it creates the new window, to when it puts all the controls on the new window. Sometimes it's long enough to be frustrating, but other times it's just long enough to remind you it's a browser app. If they could make it snappy so it ran more like a local app, that would be a big improvement, but I haven't seen it yet.

    Wow, this got long... So in conclusion, with my personal experience the system works, and probably looks great on paper, but suffers from bugs and technical issues more than design flaws. That's not to say it's designed perfectly, but I would go so far as to say it's designed reasonably well. But I'm in the technical department, so I have limited contact with it. Our sales people might have differing opinions.

  10. Try vTigerCRM by DG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Open Source, php/Apache/mySQL based, not perfect but way better than any of the offerings from the Borg.

    DG

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