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Study Claims Offshoring Doesn't Cost US Jobs
SwashbucklingCowboy writes "Infoworld has an article up about a survey by the Software & Information Industry Association claiming that offshoring doesn't cost American jobs. The article quotes the executive director of the SIIA as saying, '[Offshoring] was used almost entirely as a form of expansion, not as a replacement.' Well, if a job is created elsewhere that could have been created in the US, isn't that a job lost?"
hmm... If you believe in outsourcing then you are no better than a drug dealer.
Your willing to sell out your country's future just to make a buck.
I was an Systems Engineer at Welch Foods. The CIO that was in place retired, a bean
couting soon of a bitch was promoted to be the new CIO. Under his direction the company decided to outsource IT. I was asked to teach the "offshore" team about my code and
Linux / Oracle Cluster layout. I put it off for 6 months and ecouraged my colleges to
get thier resumes out. They did, and so did I. I did not teach the remote team. I
left for my new position somewhere else, and gave myself a little vacation in between.
I touched base with some of the non techies that were my friends, they said it's not the
same without me and my friends. It not takes weeks, not hours to get get some custom coding done. It takes a several weeks to get Oracle patches in, the remote team has a high
employee rollover rate. Welchs deals with new people every 4 months.
hey... no love lost here. If they were willing to sell me and my friends out, then
too bad.
Don't Indians believe in Karma? Didn't it originate there?
hmm.. pretty soon it's payback time!
6 years after Lou Dobbs brought this issue back from the grave, we have better anecdotes. Most of our positions are management. Development is almost entirely in India. Out of 20-30 managers there are only 4 permanent developers. A lot of money is spent on travel to get the Indians on site. A lot of time is spent waiting for time differences and code drops from India.
Indians are better educated, more practical, less political. Through a strong Rupee, they are motivated by the prospect of becoming wealthy and owning a house in India. Americans are uneducated, political, and no matter how long they work, they can never become wealthy or own houses.
1) keep buying walmart/target 'made in china' products.
2) keep selling out your country for a short-term reward by offshoring/outsourcing.
3) watch your country's economy fall apart and while you learn to speak mandarin.
4) profit!!
Globalization is bad for Americans. Don't let these elitist conglomerates misinform you. Do the math.
the only permanence in existence, is the impermanence of existence.
Shhh, you'll piss off all the people here who feel they're entitled to be paid ridiculous amounts of money for work that is, in reality, less and less valuable every year.
Don't step on entitlements, man.
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Exactly how are they competing unfairly?
With lower standard of living.
And why do they need to "create they our industry"?
I said Create their OWN industry. As in India should support their own companies and buy locally.
Does that mean that American firms shouldn't be making anything that was invented somewhere else?
No, that means that American firms should make 100% of their "Made in America" items in America, down to the last magnet or capacitor.
Competition makes everyone better off
That's completely unproven and only a statement of faith.
just look at the progress for the last century and it becomes abundantly clear.
The progress of the last century was about warfare, not competition, and the largest leaps in progress were all standardized government programs under the Department of Defense.
The only argument that opponents of outsourcing have is good old protectionism which does nothing but make everyone poorer.
Another completely unproven statement. For instance, if we treated the competition with the seriousness it deserves, then we'd simply nuke India- a few hundred million dead and the business would come back to the United States where it belongs.
Everyone outsources - its only when outsourcing can be colored with xenophobia that it gains any traction at all.
Another unproven statement. Do you have anything other than religious faith for your beliefs?
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
I wonder if there is some correlation between that, and their employers' apparent enthusiasm for laying them off?
In group behavior: 'because they're evil/morons/sheep/crazy' is not 'insightful' it's 'oversimplified'
In 2001 there was a stock market crash if you didn't notice- investment is usually a bad idea when the economy goes south. In fact, the stock market in general is just a method to steal money from investors and give it to stock brokers and C-level executives.
... it doesn't take a genious to make money on the stock market. It is good for me and it is good for the business I invest in.
The best time to buy is when the stocks are cheap - you get more for your money. And if it is such an investment, then why did mine get 14.5% last year? I'm just an engineer, I'm no stock broker