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Pirate Bay to Purchase Sealand?

paulraps writes "Notorious Swedish file-sharing website The Pirate Bay is planning to buy its own nation in an attempt to get around troublesome international copyright laws. The organization, the world's largest bit torrent tracker, has set its sights on Sealand, a former British naval platform in the North Sea that has been designated a 'micronation' and claims to be outside UK jurisdiction. With a target price of £500m it won't be cheap, but Pirate Bay says contributors will become honorary citizens."

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  1. Hmm . A bit slow thought. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    256kbit over point to point radio last time I checked.
    I think they might need an upgrade to do file sharing.

    1. Re:Hmm . A bit slow thought. by joshetc · · Score: 4, Informative

      They will need to upgrade a bit, not so much though as AFAIK they mainly only host the trackers. Seeders do all the actual sharing. Apparently telling a friend where to get ____ illegal material is just as illegal as actually giving it to them, hence the need for Seaworld.

  2. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    They wouldn't be buying just a platform. Sealand has a complex history; it was in international waters when built in WW2, and still was when its owner/leader declared it an independent nation. Since then international maritime laws have changed, and if a similar platform was built today it would be a part of the nation closest to it. There was actually a confrontation between Sealand and the Royal Navy in the 70s, IIRC, a standoff which ended with the withdrawal of the RN, supposedly cementing Sealand's place as a sovereign nation. So, that's what The Pirate Bay would be buying: not just an offshore platform, but a true data haven, a sort of modern-day Tortuga, a port from which to set sail on the high seas of the internet with blatant disregard for copyright law.

  3. Re:500 Million ?? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sealand claims some sort of special status, and has indeed seen off a couple of half-hearted attempts to get rid of it.

    However, let's be serious for a minute. The UK does not recognise the independence of Sealand, which is entirely contained within UK national waters under international law. Seeing off the navy is a cute joke, but if anyone who "bought" the "nation" started seriously impeding UK interests, for example by flagrantly violating UK law, then the "nation" could cease to exist rather abruptly. More realistically, the government would probably just ship a few police officers over there, arrest everyone, and throw them in jail. You'd hear their cries of "You have no jurisdiction!" all the way to the police helicopter, of course. :-)

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  4. Standard 'Infringement != Theft' Note by kahei · · Score: 5, Informative


    Copyright infringement is not theft. The most obvious and conspicuous difference is that the former is civil and the latter criminal law. This has vast implications vis-a-vis the manner in which suit is brought, the possible penalties for the defendant, and the burden on the plaintiff. Another huge difference is that the latter involves denying the owner the use of an asset whereas the former involves unlawfully creating/distributing copies of a work. Copyright infringement and theft are not even closely related issues, and it's impossible to discuss them usefully without realizing that.

    Now, these are obvious, relevant, basic facts about a topic which is important and much-discussed on Slashdot. And yet there a largish population (maybe 15% of those who express an interest) on Slashdot of people who just physically cannot learn them. Whence, then, this 'fool reserve'?

    Originally I theorized that it relates to sunspot activity but later I came to feel that El Nino, peak oil, the war in Iraq, and the new 'gritty' James Bond may all play a role. And maybe chupacabra. Chupacabra's a pretty sinister beast... think about it, it's a monster named after a lollipop... what could possibly be spookier?

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    1. Re:Standard 'Infringement != Theft' Note by Cederic · · Score: 5, Informative


      I saw True Romance at the cinema. I own a copy on video. I own it on DVD. I own the directors cut unrated version on DVD. If I'm away from home and decide I want to watch it, and use a copy of the DVD I put onto my laptop hard disk, I put it to you that I am depriving nobody of their rightful income.

      I am depriving them of income they'd like. But frankly they've been more than compensated by me for their effort and artistic output.

      My thoughts may not match the law on this matter. I'd prefer to change the law.

  5. Re:Arrr! by Haeleth · · Score: 4, Informative
    Yes. Their rights over their creation.
    Nonsense. They still have all the rights over their creation (that's why they can sue you!). Moreover, you still have no rights over their creation. Ergo, you cannot have stolen their rights, QED.

    What you have done is infringed their rights. That's why this particular immoral act is called "copyright infringement", see?

    And the fact that nothing is taken in the process of infringing the copyright-holder's rights is why this is different from theft, where property is actually taken. Copyright infringement is more akin to trespassing. (Are you going to argue that trespassing is also theft, because you are "stealing" someone's right to control who enters their land?)