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Inside the iPhone — 3G, ARM, OS X, 3rd Partyware

DECS writes "After heading off the top ten myths of the iPhone, Daniel Eran of RoughlyDrafted has written a series of articles looking 'Inside the iPhone,' exploring (1) why Apple didn't target faster 3G networks, (2) a substantiated look at how the iPhone is indeed running OS X (contrary to reports that it isn't), and (3) what it means to users and developers, and how ARM is involved, in Mac OS X, ARM, and iPod OS X, and why the supposedly 'closed' system Apple describes for the iPhone won't preclude third party development."

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  1. FUD much? by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Open development has both benefits and disadvantages. The reason Linux has made so little impact in the desktop market is largely because a fully open system tends to devolve into anarchy.
    "Who supports what? What version is the standard? Where is the commercial incentive to develop for it? Who makes it all work together in a nicely integrated package, and once that happens, it is still open?"

    It's all so confusing?!!? Windows, take me away... !!!!

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    1. Re:FUD much? by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I thought it was a perfectly valid point. If you want to make a desktop app for Linux, right out of the gate you have to deal with competing desktop environments, competing APIs, and competing package managers. There's no standard, seamless experience across the board.

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    2. Re:FUD much? by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I laugh at people who think you can create a standard before any experimentation has occurred.. as if a committee can create anything remotely good. Competing APIs are competing for a reason.. people have different ideas about what is the best way of doing something. Only after a clear winner has been decided for a particular subset of the API can you standardize that subset. The alternative is the "standard" of monopoly.. you get what you are given and to hell with what is better. This is why the win32 api is so horrid.

      Besides which, you're the one that changed this from being a discussion about open platforms like Linux, to being a discussion about APIs. The whole discussion is about having an open market for services. This is confusing to IT consumers because they've never had it before, so they moan about not knowing where to go to get support or who to find responsible if something is broken - the kind of things you don't need to think about when you're used to dealing with monopoly providers. To these people I say: get used to it.. because the advantages of having an open market over a monopoly is worth it.

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    3. Re:FUD much? by Lane.exe · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Even the iPod marketplace is a bit of a joke, given that device does half as much as it could if given a free marketplace.

      But that's just the point -- if the iPod is successful as it is now (and it is), what's the point of having it do half again as much as it already does? Don't get me wrong, I'm the kind of guy that would like a device that can play music, show video, take pictures, make julienne fries, and call my mom on her birthday, but I'm a geek.

      Most consumers want something simple and easy to use -- IE, the iPod. It's not the "ideal" product, and there are some flaws with it, but it is good enough to entice LOTS of people to buy it, and lots of people to use it. I wouldn't mind having an easily-replaceable battery in my iPods, for instance, but by the time I'm to the point with my iPods that I find the battery life unacceptable, there's a newer one out with a higher capacity, more features that I want, etc. and I just upgrade. These are consumer electronics -- they're meant to be used until they've reached the end of their normal, useful life, and then disposed of. Lament this sort of consumer culture all you wish, but them's the breaks.

      Sure, the iPhone doesn't look like it's shaping up to be a little mini-computer, that plays games, browses the web, does x, does y, etc. and so on. But that's OK. It's really just a video iPod that also browses the web and makes phone calls. Think of it as a beefed up Sidekick, rather than a tiny MacBook.

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    4. Re:FUD much? by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I laugh at people who think you can create a standard before any experimentation has occurred.

      We've had over ten years of Linux desktop "experimentation."

      If you're wanting Linux to get popular on the desktop, you need a universal API with a universal installation/uninstallation system so that developers can contribute to a seamless experience. Right now, poor users still have to install two entire desktop environments just to run apps from both. On your average desktop Linux system, you have:

      • OpenOffice
      • Firefox
      • KDE
      • Gnome

      That right there is four different widget APIs, four different ways of handling a string, etc. It's bloat and redundancy of the worst kind, and it's stubborn people like you who don't want the problem fixed, possibly because you fear change or you have some strange commitment to the idea of keeping redundant APIs in memory. It's no wonder people have written off Linux on the desktop as a punchline.

      Besides which, you're the one that changed this from being a discussion about open platforms like Linux, to being a discussion about APIs.

      No, someone else responded to the article's comment on desktop Linux becoming an anarchy of contradictory APIs, and I agreed. It sounds like you're one of these guys who just likes to argue.
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    5. Re:FUD much? by bheer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > But that's just the point -- if the iPod is successful as it is now (and it is), what's the point of having it do half again as much as it already does?

      That's the point - you don't know. That'd be like a 70s guy asking what's the point of having a general purpose computer when you can have perfectly good word processing machines and tabulating machines? The point is that people do interesting things with your stuff when you open it up.

      IBM knew this when it designed the PC. Microsoft knew this when they made MS DOS (and later OSes, including Windows Mobile) available to every OEM. Linus knows this extremely well. The point here isn't that IBM ultimately went out of the PC business or that Microsoft doesn't have a huge share of the smartphone OS market, it is that their ability to spawn platforms has added to their stature in the industry and has materially helped their bottom line.

      Apple fans might get excited about the free publicity Apple gets with every launch, but companies like IBM and Microsoft -- and the Open Source community -- get free publicity from a LOT of people every day by creating opportunities for other people to do cool new stuff. And in the long run, the latter kind of publicity is what matters.

    6. Re:FUD much? by iluvcapra · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indulge me in a little play extempore:

      Mr. Hindsight:

      That'd be like a 70s guy asking what's the point of having a general purpose computer when you can have perfectly good word processing machines and tabulating machines?

      1970s Guy: "Why none, sir, I have my secretary do all of my typing and accounting does the invoicing! I value my free time and enjoy being able to delegate certain responsibilities, such as drafting memoranda, managing my schedule, and keeping my correspondence organized, to a human being who knows her job."

      Mr. Hindsight: "But you could save a lot of money!"

      1970s Guy: "I see what you're saying, but I think you're making a false comparison. I (like you, probably) make most of my purchasing decisions based not just on dollars-and-cents efficiency, but on certain values I hold. You seem to value 'open standards' and are opposed to 'walled gardens,' while I value 'getting my memos typed.' I will generally pay a premium for a solution if it's easier to use than the others. It might cost me more money in the future to migrate from my easy-to-use solution to another, but frankly I can't tell, because I can't see the future, and I don't want to bet on a miserable-but-open solution and wait for it to improve."

      Mr. Hindsight: "One day they'll take away all your secretaries."

      1970s Guy: "Who the hell answers the phones!?"

      Mr. Hindsight: "Computers that give you a list of options, and try to guess what number you say!"

      1970s Guy: "I think I'm going to pour myself a stiff one. Executives still have wet bars in their offices in the future, right?"

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    7. Re:FUD much? by W2k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's an exceptionally well designed phone. Many phones, even simple ones, are complex messes with cryptic or unlabelled buttons. Having a phone that's fairly simple to use but powerful is surprisingly rare.

      You're assuming it will be easy to use. I am expecting to get many laughs out of watching people trying to get the gestures right. There is likely to be a considerable learning curve during which users will find that it takes more time and effort to carry out the simplest tasks. I'll say the iPhone looks good - but that's comparing to the rather old Windows Mobile 5 UI. A pretty UI won't make me switch from my current PDA, which has real buttons to speed up common tasks.

      It can browse the web more beautifully than any other device smaller than a laptop computer.

      Who cares about "beautiful"? Marketing people? I prefer my web browsers to have slim UI:s and reproduce pages faithful to what the designer intended. A web page is a web page, it's not going to look any better because you surf it on an iPhone. My current PDA (running Opera) faithfully reproduces web pages so they look the same as on the PC. The iPhone offers no advantage here.

      It has the best text messaging system

      I'm not going to take your word for it, and I suspect this is highly subjective.

      It supports Google Maps, so you can pull down driving directions

      So do current Windows Mobile PDA:s. I saw GM running on Java on my colleague's phone yesterday, and for directions, there's the whole Internet. Which is nice and snappy because my phone has 3G, which the iPhone lacks. Newer Windows Mobile PDA:s also come with GPS.

      It has full-featured email

      So du current Windows Mobile PDA:s, unless your definition of "full-featured" differs significantly from mine. Please tell me, what e-mailing features does the iPhone support that a recent Windows Mobile PDA lacks? Because I know the iPhone lacks ability to sync with Exchange/Outlook, a critical must-have for many business users.

      It has a camera that's fairly strong by smartphone standards (most of them have 1.3 megapixel phones, but the iPhone is 2 megapixels).

      My 6 months old Windows Mobile PDA also has a 2 megapixel camera, and newer models have 4 megapixel cameras. 2 mp is far from state of the art.

      It supports widgets, which give us news aggregation, weather, etc.

      On a PDA running Windows Mobile, you can install any third-party application (unless it's vendor-locked, but unlock hacks exist). And you can store stuff on disk. Or in SQL Server Mobile. And you can code in real programming languages. I think that beats javascript "widgets".

      Other than a low price and open source for ideological reasons, I don't see anything this phone doesn't have that a Slashdot user would need.

      The killer missing features for me is 3G, no third-party apps, and no Outlook/Exchange sync (which is what we have at work, not my choice). If I'm going to buy a new PDA, it better have a fast connection to the Internet and support for C#/.NET 2.0 (or equivalent) for writing (actually, porting from my current PDA) my own apps. I'm sure many people would like GPS. Oh, and real buttons and a stylus.

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  2. Okay, I was tempted with the last iPhone story... by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but now I have to say it: how many iPhone stories a day are we gonna get on the Slashdot front page, and for how long? This is a hell of a lot of coverage for a mere _phone_ that a) offers no new features not already available on other smartphones, b) is priced mostly out of the market, c) isn't on the market yet, and d) is tied to one carrier.

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  3. Enough by Carrot007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is just more speculation against other speculation.

    Can we stop posting these untill we have some real information please.

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  4. Just wow... by (H)elix1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Took a quick look at the article. Many of these 'myths' are really serious issues for a touch screen smart phone getting pitched at this price point. I get to replace my smart phone on the company's nickel soon, and for what $600 gets me, I'll not buy one of these. Point 3, fsk them. An unlocked phone might have been worth that. A locked phone, no way. A smart phone without 3rd party applications? Nope. For anyone thinking of looking at the blog entry...

    Myth One: the iPhone is missing EVDO (or some other high end feature) which will stifle adoption.
    Myth Two: The iPhone is priced too high. It needs a 2 GB version for $299 lacking phone features.
    Myth Three: The iPhone should be sold unlocked, not tied to Cingular service.
    Myth Four: The iPhone software is a closed model, therefore the sky is falling.
    Myth Five: The iPhone is just a phone with features lots of other phones already have.
    Myth Six: Cisco owns the iPhone name, which presents an impossible conundrum of epic proportions.
    Myth Seven: Apple will need to port iLife 07 to Windows in order to have a photo viewer for PC users.
    Myth Eight: An integrated battery is a significant problem for users
    Myth Nine: OMG Scratches
    Myth Ten: Apple can't figure out how do do a phone.

  5. Quick summary of the article by twfry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whaaa.... I love the iPhone! How dare you people point out flaws in it. Whaaa!!! Well you are all wrong, see I've created a list of illogical arguements that proves the iPhone is superior in every single way to everything else in the world. Whaaa!!!!

    My favorite statement from the article was that the iPhone is not priced too high because other phones that have not been released yet are going to be priced higher. Does this guy work for segway marketing?

  6. Re:Interesting stuff is GONNA HAPPEN by bheer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It may be leading edge to you, however as someone who's owned an XDA in Europe (and chatted on MSN Messenger when out in the countryside in 2002), it leaves me unimpressed. The Multi-touch screen is impressive, sure, but I didn't have too much trouble with the XDA's stylus and it allowed me to take handwritten notes with decent handwriting recognition.

    Apple's stuff may be pretty, but you've got to remember that any cellphone sold in the US is behind the state-of-the-art by 18-24 months at least compared to markets like Europe and Asia. So I'd be careful about bandying about terms like 'leading edge'.

  7. Fanboism at its finest by eraser.cpp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't see how some of this criticism isn't true.

    Myth 1: the iPhone is missing EVDO (or some other high end feature) which will stifle adoption.

    Decent 3G service is not for a niche market or only for the rich. People have shown that high-bandwidth services like streaming video can drive a broadband market. Could we honestly say that broadband Internet access on the desktop hasn't brought with it a range of practical and compelling uses for the general public? Now you'd have that kind of speed wherever you are and in your pocket! Stating outright that people won't need it for their handset is arrogant and short-sighted, the market will decide in the end. TFA also writes that decent 3G service is "overpriced, and not quite ready yet" but my PocketPC handset is over a year old, works great, and is cheaper than the announced price for the iPhone!

    Myth Two: The iPhone is priced too high. It needs a 2 GB version for $299 lacking phone features.
    How is the iPhone not expensive when compared to other phones? The $499 and $599 prices are with the two-year contract! That's significantly more expensive than every other PDA/Smartphone offered by Cingular, some of which are very comparable to the iPhone. "but it's also not expensive when compared to similar phones, which... aren't yet available" Need you be reminded that the iPhone itself is not coming out for almost 6 months? And how are the phones out today not similar? The Cingular 8525 looks comparable to me.

    Myth Four: The iPhone software is a closed model, therefore the sky is falling.
    How can you say that third-party software would make the handset insecure and unstable? Do you believe this about computers in general? Third party development can (and frequently does) turn the ideas of the general public into brilliant applications that would likely not have existed otherwise. They drive the entire computer industry, and how can you so quickly dismiss the handset market as being different where third-party development would only mean negative things?

    I'm out of time but these "myths" just speak of desperate fanboism. Please realize that criticism is a healthy thing and that if this handset isn't perfect Apple has the time, money, and resources to make something that is better. After all, they're only just entering this market and will have lessons to learn just like everyone else.

    1. Re:Fanboism at its finest by voidptr · · Score: 4, Insightful


       
        Myth Two: The iPhone is priced too high. It needs a 2 GB version for $299 lacking phone features.
      How is the iPhone not expensive when compared to other phones? The $499 and $599 prices are with the two-year contract! That's significantly more expensive than every other PDA/Smartphone offered by Cingular, some of which are very comparable to the iPhone. $599 isn't significantly more expensive than any other high demand phone at launch day. Cingular sold the RAZR at $500 with a 2 year contract in 2004, and the only thing it had going for it was a well styled enclosure. Mine needs a reboot once a week due to bugs, it's GPRS data only (which makes EDGE scream by comparison) and the web browser is unuseable.

      I've got problems with the iPhone seemingly being crippled in more than one area at Cingular's request, but the price isn't really out of line for any new phone launch.
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  8. Re:Don't downplay 3G! by kanweg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I work for mobile phone operator. We have tried to push people to use data services on their mobile devices for years now. Why? Because we charge enormous amounts of money for data and it makes us a lot of money."

    And for exactly that reason I refuse to use it. Voice is data, like internet stuff. I don't see any reason to pay tens of times more for one byte than for the other. (and it seems to me that the transfer requirements for voice are higher than for internet data). If you're bosses really want me to use it, give me a $40 per month deal like I have for voice. You'll make up in volume (more users) than what you're earning now.

    BFN

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  9. Re:Don't downplay 3G! by beeblebrox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I work for mobile phone operator. We have tried to push people to use data services on their mobile devices for years now. Why? Because we charge enormous amounts of money for data and it makes us a lot of money.

    And that, right there, is why your data capacity is (collectively, as an industry) about 98% not utilized. That's the number I heard at the last Symbian Smartphone Show last October, coming from industry insiders. Things will probably not change much until your bosses bite the bullet and decide to sell their data capacity for prices that make sense.

    I personally have given up on waiting for the legacy telcos to learn this lesson. I'd rather look for applications that are designed to work on cheap (WiFi) connectivity most of the time, with an auxiliary "Keep it short and absolutely necessary" mode when only racket connectivity is available. Therefore, 3G is of no value to me. Having said that, the iPhone is also a dead proposition as far as I'm concerned. I'm not paying serious money when all it gets me is a 100% Apple/Cingular-controlled applications sales delivery vehicle.

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  11. Re:Don't downplay 3G! by badasscat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most places I go actually have wifi already, so 3G is then irrelevant.

    Bullshit. This is a *phone*, not a laptop. You're not going to be sitting at Starbucks 24 hours a day accessing data services on your phone. If you need data in a phone, then you need to use data wherever you happen to be, and that includes the office (where unsecured wifi networks are generally taboo), out on the street, in your car, or wherever. You've got wi-fi in a moving car on the interstate? Explain to me how that works. (btw I'm not suggesting you'd be browsing the net while driving, but while a passenger, sure.)

    Wi-fi is no substitute for 3G in a phone.

    And, in the absence of any sort of i-Mode like network of WAP sites in the United States, I'd go so far as to say that data support in general is basically useless here without 3G support. There's just nothing you can actually do with it. You need to be able to browse real web sites, and for that you need 3G. A phone without 3G is just a phone; any data features it might have will never get used because it will just be too slow and frustrating of an experience.

    btw, the linked article goes to great lengths to confuse the 3G issue by throwing out all sorts of unrelated acronyms to make it seem as if Apple's smart by staying away from it. It also tries to somehow argue that EDGE and HSPDA are mutually exclusive; you can either have one or the other in a phone. The fact is Cingular has both 3G and 3.5G networks up and running and several phones that use them just fine (I should know, I own one), along with EDGE and even GPRS as a last-ditch fallback. I see no reason why Apple couldn't have done the same. (Don't give me cost; I paid zilch for my phone.)

  12. Re:Okay, I was tempted with the last iPhone story. by narf501 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    iPhone articles do belong on Slashdot. They are an important new technology, one which will eventually be pretty much in everyone's (well, everyone but the would-be Luddites who stick with last year's stuff because they hate Apple) pocket in a year or two as soon as their existing cellular operator contracts expire. No tech gadget since the iPod deserves as much coverage as the iPhone. Give this phone a year or two, and people will be doing like they did with MP3 players -- calling any MP3 player an iPod because iPods are so universal.

  13. Sometimes vanilla is better than 30 flavours by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As much as one might bitch and moan about Windows, the freedom in *nix does make for anarchy and does not make for ease of use. In my experience this is a real issue with system configuration (firewalls, hotplug, etc). Howto's don't just say "do this"; they are shopping lists of "on RH8 do this, on Ubuntu do that,..." which does not make for ease of use.

    Freedom is not always a good thing. Would you like freedom of choice as to which side of the road you drive on?

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