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Japan Scrapping Moon Mission

jonerik writes to mention the AP is reporting that Japan may be scrapping their upcoming moon mission. The original plan was for the "Lunar-A" probe to implant two seismic sensors on the moon, however, the project took so long that the delivery probe has fallen victim to neglect and would take too much money to repair. From the article: "The mission would have been Japan's first to the surface of the moon, and was originally scheduled for lift off in 1995. [...] JAXA's space development committee recommended canceling the Lunar-A project on Monday, and a final decision will be made later in the month, [Satoko] Kanazawa said."

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  1. Silly Japanese... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Son't they know it's easier to just fake a moon mission?

    1. Re:Silly Japanese... by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 3, Informative

      The NASA moon landings weren't faked.

      *please mod informative, please mod informative*

    2. Re:Silly Japanese... by russ1337 · · Score: 3, Funny

      >>> "The NASA moon landings weren't faked."

      You should take a gander at this: http://www.xkcd.com/c202.html

  2. The EU did not land on Moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    > Currently, only the United States, Russia and the European Union have landed probes on the moon.
    Nor did ESA. SMART-1 crashed into the Moon, that's not called landing.

    1. Re:The EU did not land on Moon by WhyDoYouWantToKnow · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, any landing you can walk away from is a good... What's that, unmanned probe. Completely destroyed you say. Never mind.

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    2. Re:The EU did not land on Moon by VAXcat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Landings are an important subject in learning to fly. My instructor told me they are so important, they include at least one in every flying lesson.

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  3. It is nice to know by maroberts · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...that even the Japanese can fail to make delivery deadlines and have productivity problems.

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    1. Re:It is nice to know by antifoidulus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually if you look at JAXA, almost everything they have done is a failure. It's interesting because Japan isn't a poor country(in terms of GDP it's #2 in the world), is famous for its science and technology education(whether or not that reputation is deserved is another issue), and has relatively healthy funding. And yet, almost nothing but failure has come out of JAXA. To be sure NASA has had failures as well, but NASA has had resounding successes to match. JAXA really hasn't. Why is that? Is it just poor management? Botched politics? What?

    2. Re:It is nice to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is because of the lack of technology exports and because the Japanese government is not the same as Japanese industry. Japan is a great place for perfecting technologies, but they suck at inventing things (if you don't believe me compare the total number of Japanese Nobel Prizes to what the US got in just physics or chemistry from 1990-2006). And their government is generally inept (but in a good way since it doesn't restrict industry). If they wanted to see a Japanese space program take off they would start by modifying a couple of US designs and contracting it all out to Japanese industry (instead of using their oppressive government bureaucracy).

    3. Re:It is nice to know by 0rionx · · Score: 3, Informative

      Although there are probably a number of factors at play here, primarily JAXA is simply just chronically underfunded. Similar to the system used for many software developers, they were given a certain amount of funding based on achieving certain checkpoints. However, for the most part they were weighted heavily toward the end of the missions. This is only speculation, but it's likely JAXA was forced to skimp on some things in order to reach their budget checkpoints. Furthermore, if one project became bogged down and was unable to recoup its expenses, it would place further financial strain on the organization as a whole.

  4. Well, it says in my rocket manual ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    if you are laying this rocket up to be unused for more than six months:

    1) Park in a well aired garage
    2) Jack up the body and put chocks under the suspension points
    3) Fill all cylinders with a good quality mineral oil
    4) Unplug and remove the battery
    5) Be prepared to replace perished rubber components such as tyres or suspension bushes if unused for more that one year

    What bit do you think the Japanese left out?

    1. Re:Well, it says in my rocket manual ... by ethanms · · Score: 2, Funny

      They probably forgot to drain the gas... that's what killed my 92 Honda.

  5. Lesson learned by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 3, Funny

    Next time they won't keep the probe in the U-Pack-It long term storage garages in Kobe.

    Or at least put a tarp over it or something.

  6. Crashing is NOT crash landing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Crash landing implies some degree of survival is intended and feasible. The ESA probe SMART-1 intentionally bought it at 4,500 miles per hour. I reckon the probe would sustain more than a few bruises.

    Probe survival was not the intention of the ESA's deliberate action of crashing the probe into the moon (so they can examine the plume for stuff etc.), therefore I can't call it a crash landing .. I have to call it a crashing or better yet a slamming.

    Hmm I hate arguing over semantics, cause it's silly. Hopefully this is my only one for this year.

  7. Penetrator Probes by tehSpork · · Score: 3, Funny

    Japan will now scrap the mission but finish development of the penetrator probes and offer the technology to other space programs, including Russia's, Kanazawa said.

    Only in Japan...

    1. Re:Penetrator Probes by GuyMannDude · · Score: 2, Funny

      apan will now scrap the mission but finish development of the penetrator probes and offer the technology to other space programs, including Russia's, Kanazawa said.

      Ten bucks says they're tentacle-like in appearance.

      GMD

  8. In Other News.,, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    In Other News, The Canadian Government has announced its plans for a similar mission to take place, which is going to be called "Lunar-eh"

    Film at 11.

  9. failed Japan Mars and asteroid probes by peter303 · · Score: 2, Informative

    A Japanese Mars probe, originally timed to arrive with that of the NSA rovers and ESA Beagle limps through space. It ran out of fuel.

    The Hayabusa asteroid probe probably landed on one and got a sample, failed on its return earth, schedued this summer. Bad computer programs and running out fuel is blamed.

    Academic research in Japan is mostly on a shoestring budget, and I guess this is a result. I hope they keep on trying.

  10. Non-Technical proof we went to the moon. by arthurpaliden · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Non-Technical Proof Of The Moon Landings by Arthur Paliden © 2006 In 1969 the Americans first landed men on the moon. Now some people have made names for themselves by saying that this and subsequent landings never happened. Their position is that NASA faked them in order to save face and fool the public. To prove their point they rely on explanations of the reported events using dubious science and lay explanations that any first year science major would and does, laugh at. However, they always miss or purposely avoid the the one piece of irrefutable proof that it did in fact happen. That is that the Soviet government never refuted the American claims and they were in a unique position to do so. For even after the Americans landed on the moon the Soviets still continued to send orbiters, landers and rovers to the moon. http://www.russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_planetar y_lunar.html Now if they wanted to get the goods on the Americans all they had to do was to land, photograph or explore with a rover the American landing sights. Just imagine the embarrassment not to mention the the damage to American credibility, at the height of the cold war no less, that such information would generate. Records even show that they never landed or even explored the areas that that American landings happened. So they did not even go and look to make sure because they knew it really happened. The next question then is even if they did know they were faked why did they never use the information. They did not use it to pressure the Americans to stop bombing North Vietnam and Cambodia where Soviet military advisers were being killed as a result. They did not use it to pressure the United States to stop sending military advisers to and providing Stinger missiles to the Afghan fighters during the Soviet occupation. They did not use it to stop the Star Wars program of the Regan administration. In fact they did not even use it to turn the West's attention away from the Soviet Union during the Soviet Coup of 1991 when members of the Soviet government briefly deposed Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev and attempted to take control of the country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_coup_attempt_o f_1991 Which every body knew was the last death throws of the Soviet empire. If they did not use the information then to turn the attention of the American, and world public, inward to their own governments lies and thus corruption and force it to ignore the events in the Soviet Union in order to deal with a damaging domestic and international issue. Then the proof of faked moon landings does not and never did, exist. One final thought. After the fall of the Soviet Union the Russian economy tanked. People were selling all kinds of stuff owed by the crumbling state, ships, weapons, artworks and knowledge but nobody ever approached any Western news agency or tabloid to sell them this information. And to say that one would buy it but not publish is foolish. The seller could just keep peddling it until some on did and then it would be old news and worthless until then it would still be worth something.

  11. Re:Capricorn One... by maggard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    NASA did not "just lose" the footage, indeed there was no "footage" (as in film) to lose. Rather the original downlink recordings were misplaced decades ago. It was only recently discovered that those recordings were of significantly higher quality then what was retransmitted and seen by the rest of the world. Therefore there is now a search on for those original source recordings. This search has been fairly high profile including significant stories in Wired Magazine, AP newswire stories, etc.

    If you're going to imply conspiracies at least have the well known facts right.

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