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FUSE Port Brings NTFS Support To OS X

sciurus0 writes "In his session at Macworld on OS X filesytems, Google's Amit Singh announced that he has ported Linux's FUSE module to OS X. The port is called MacFUSE and it is available in source form and as a pre-compiled kernel extension with associated tools. Many FUSE filesystems such as sshfs and ntfs-3g are reported to work."

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  1. GmailFS also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    GmailFS should also now be easily supported on Mac OS X using MacFuse.

  2. FUSE for Windows by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm writing FUSE for Windows at my spare time (not much of it, unfortunately). Is there anybody who's doing the same?

    1. Re:FUSE for Windows by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, if they don't use any Linux/Unix-specific features. User-space part of FUSE, however, will have be modified (because there's no fork() in Windows).

      Release is FAAAAAAAAR away now, I expect to get something working in 3-4 months.

    2. Re:FUSE for Windows by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 3, Informative

      Filesystems in Windows are a different animal to what they are in other OS's.. *way* harder. If you ever checkout the ntfsd list you'll see how many odd cases you have to handle because people make this mistake almost daily (oddly enough most of them are trying to do encryption).

    3. Re:FUSE for Windows by dangitman · · Score: 4, Funny

      (because there's no fork() in Windows)

      If there's no fork, then how do you eat your meat (and consequently get the pudding)?

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    4. Re:FUSE for Windows by odie_q · · Score: 4, Informative

      FUSE is a general Filesystem-in-userspace driver, supporting a long list of filesystems.

      So with FUSE ported, Windows users can also enjoy in-filesystem versioning, seamless ssh integration, RAR files as folders and so on.

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    5. Re:FUSE for Windows by raynet · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, FUSE is not NTFS. FUSE allows you to write userspace filesystem modules via stable and fairly simple API. Thus if you had FUSE for Windows, you could add new filesystems to Windows with relative ease. Also you could port the same modules to Mac, Linux and BSD or vice versa.

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    6. Re:FUSE for Windows by dal20402 · · Score: 5, Funny

      there's no fork() in Windows

      You don't need to stick a fork() in. It's easy to see that Windows is done.

    7. Re:FUSE for Windows by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So with FUSE ported, Windows users can also enjoy in-filesystem versioning, seamless ssh integration, RAR files as folders and so on.

      Why is this such a great goal, when FS developers have been trying to meet the basic features of NTFS already...

      NTFS already does journalling, has file versioning (far beyond what any *nix FS does), encyrption, compression, and with Win32, zip and rar integration.

      The trick in writing a FS for Windows isn't so much a NT issue, but how Win32 see the FS and what it expects to be there. This can best be demonstrated with the Unix subsystem on Windows, or how NFS is handled.

      BTW, this is kind of a baited post to see how well people really do understand NTFS and also what they are trying to accomplish.

      For developers interested there are some good resources and help on writing FS for NT, like at: http://www.osronline.com/cf.cfm?PageURL=showlists. CFM?list=NTFSD

      Take Care...

    8. Re:FUSE for Windows by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 3, Funny

      I only dream of a world with No Fork-in Windows

  3. Re:FUSE? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 4, Informative
    Can anone point out what 'FUSE' is?
    Runs filesystems in userspace.
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  4. Re:FUSE? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Informative
    Can anone point out what 'FUSE' is?---I know i am lazy, no need to state the obvious.


    Try http://fuse.sourceforge.net/ - basically, when I hear of an Open Source project I've not heard of before, I just go to "nameofprojectgoeshere.sourceforge.net", and (more often than not) there it is. And there it was. :)

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  5. The creator of FUSE... by little1973 · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...Miklos Szeredi was offered a job by SUSE Labs, Prague, which he accepted. His job will be kernel developement for SUSE (all GPL, of course). IIRC, he can work on FUSE in 10% of his work time.

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    1. Re:The creator of FUSE... by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Funny

      So, FUSE will now fuse with SUSE?-)

      But seriously, I wonder how this relates to the SUSE-Novell-Microsoft connections... That's a nice implementation of NTFS you got there. It would be a shame if something happened to it.

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  6. Precompiled read/write NTFS packages by irgu · · Score: 5, Informative

    The original NTFS-3G source code doesn't compile on Mac OS X without some changes but the MacFUSE and NTFS-3G precompiled packages are available from IUseThis.

  7. Re:Doh. mount_ntfs is already there by irgu · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mount_ntfs doesn't have full read/write possibility. NTFS-3G has and it's commonly used on Linux.

  8. Great! by jack_csk · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was waiting for the sshfs support on Mac OS X for a long time.
    Thanks Google, you did us OS X users a great favorite!

  9. Re:Great News! by jack_csk · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not sure about NetBSD and OpenBSD, but then fusefs support is already in FreeBSD.

    By the way, I have decided not to upgrade my OS X until Apple includes out-of-the-box sshfs (that's the one I used the most among those built on top of fuse) support into new version of the OS.

  10. Re: Macs Do Speak Windows by Telephone+Sanitizer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Macs running OS X have built-in Windows file sharing -- you can share files from the Mac and you can connect to Windows network-shares. Windows Active Directory and VPN might complicate things a bit, but offer no more problems from a Mac than they do from the average Windows PC.

    As for sharing an external hard drive, while Macs only read NTFS volumes, they can both read and write to FAT32 volumes which are compatible with Windows as well. There are, however, limitations to FAT32 such as the 2GB maximum file-size which might make that a less-than-optimum solution.

    Another alternative is to purchase a commercial product such as MacDrive, which allows Windows PC's to access hard drives that have been initialized with the Mac (HFS+) file system.

  11. How about ext3? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about ext3 support on Intel macs? I tried the sourceforge project about a year ago and it didn't work.

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  12. Re:good by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Funny

    The two worst-connected computers I currently use are my Mac Plus and my TRS-80. It seems like neither one will connect to Windows 3.0. I'm not even sure where I'm supposed to stick the ethernet thingy.

    Next time I'm buying the Commodore 128 or something else that can run GEOS!

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  13. Re:FUSE? by Paulrothrock · · Score: 4, Informative

    I saw that definition when I first heard about FUSE and thought "Okay, so what's userspace?" For those who don't know: Userspace is the thing you're using right now. Rather than having the filesystem buried down deep in the bowels of the system, FUSE puts it above most of the stuff the OS does. That way, you can tell the OS things like "See those collection of Gmail messages to myself or RAR files or tarballs? That's a filesystem. You can move stuff onto and off of it just like another disk." FUSE is an easy, open source way of writing things that use unconventional storage methods for files.

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  14. That's the problem. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sure, no writing, but that's why you convert all your drives to HFS+

    That's kind of a huge limitation. There are lots of times when you might want to share a drive back and forth between a Windows and Mac machine, and it's not possible or desirable to run MacDrive on the Windows side (and having for format the drive with FAT32 sucks mightily).

    Letting the Mac understand NTFS is a good thing, because it provides for more interoperability. The only downside to it, is that it might cause people to think of NTFS as a good inter-operable standard, rather than the disgusting, proprietary, Redmond Albatross that it is.

    Plus, being able to use SSH as a filesystem is pretty slick, and will probably get more use than the NTFS part. KDE's implementation of SSH-as-filesystem (called fish://) is darned slick, and I've always thought that Apple was missing out by not having something like it.

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  15. Cocoa Fuse GUI by mgorbach228 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm working on a Cocoa GUI for FUSE (currently called MacFusion). The idea is that it loads plugins for supported filesystems (working right now on SSHFS, NTFS-3G and FTPFS at first). The plugins provide a configuration interface and code to mount/unmount. I'm hoping that this GUI will make FUSE goodness easily accessible to non-technical non-console people. In the future, it should be simple to support encfs, gmailfs, etc. This will be a FOSS project once a first build is ready. Anyone who wants to help is welcome, as are suggestions of any kind on the features/interface.

  16. Tried it and comments by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On reading about this I decided to install it on my Mac and see what it gives. While a great advancement, this is still a work in progress and still very much something for people familiar with the command line. The aspect that would change all this the ability to use FUSE based FS URLs in the Finder ( known issue ), though this seems to be a limitation based on some private APIs needing to be made public, which I hope Apple resolves.

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