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Judge Rules That IBM Did Not Destroy Evidence

UnknowingFool writes "From the latest in the SCO saga, Judge Wells ruled today that IBM did not destroy evidence as SCO claims. During discovery, SCO claims it found an IBM executive memo that ordered its programmers to delete source code, and so it filed a motion to prevent IBM from destroying more evidence. The actuality of the memo was less nefarious. An IBM executive wanted to ensure that the Linux developers were sandboxed from AIX/Dynix. So he ordered them to remove local copies of any AIX code from their workstations so that there would not be a hint of taint. The source code still existed in CVMC and was not touched. Since the source code was still in CMVC, Judge Wells ruled IBM did not destroy it. Incredulously, SCO's Mark James requested that IBM tell SCO how to obtain the information. IBM's Todd Shaughnessy responded that all during discovery (when IBM gave SCO a server with their CMVC database) SCO never once said that they were unable to find that information from CMVC. Judge Wells asked IBM to help SCO out in any way he could."

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  1. When will it End?!? by nonsequitor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is great news for Linux, but is there even an end in sight for this case? I know if its not done right it could unleash years of appeals as well. Any Lawyers in the house have any idea when this case will wrap up?

    1. Re:When will it End?!? by rewt66 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Define "wrap up".

      It will begin to wrap up in March, with the hearings on the partial summary judgment motions. Those will be ruled on eventually (maybe somewhere between May and August, but I could be optimistic).

      Final wrap up is when the Supreme Court has declined to hear the appeal. Realistically (if SCO appeals it that far, which, according to current pattern they will), that will be in three to five years. It may not go that far, because of the near certainty that SCO goes bankrupt before then, and the probability that the trustee decides to stop throwing money down the legal rathole.

      Disclaimer: IANAL.

    2. Re:When will it End?!? by cyphercell · · Score: 4, Funny

      This will end when SCO freezes over.

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    3. Re:When will it End?!? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, if the most dire estimates of global warming are cozy understatments, and we seriously ramp up industrial production, then earth may become uninhabital for humans in a hundred years. Which wouldn't get rid of the lawyers, of course, and maybe not even the people paying them. We won't be around to see it though, which is close enough. I leave my car running in the parking lot, just to do my part.

      Nuclear war is also promising. I think Iran and North Korea are as desperate to seeing this case end as we are.

      Barring that, the Sun will turn into a red giant in about 5 billion years, and that will certainly end things.

      Or SCO could run out of stalling tactics, but seriously, that seems far-fetched.

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    4. Re:When will it End?!? by EvanED · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Exxon-Valdez oil spill trial is still ongoing, and that happened in 1989.

    5. Re:When will it End?!? by stevesliva · · Score: 4, Informative
      True. Today they asked how to use CMVC. 3 months later, they will say that IBM did not tell them how to open the file, or did not provide a text editor to read the files.
      In disclosure, like 87 years ago, IBM provided them with a physical server with CMVC installed so that they could browse the code in all its versioned glory to their hearts content without even having to install CMVC. And that's good, because installing CMVC is probably as easy as playing wiffleball in a hurricane. But the point is that SCO has had access to this information for years-- they just didn't care to go looking for it.
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    6. Re:When will it End?!? by viking80 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ..and the probability that the trustee decides to stop throwing money down the legal rathole...

      This is not all SCOs money. SCO has an agreement with the attorneys that they not be paid by the hour. They will get a majority of the settlement against IBM instead.

      So far they have gotten nothing for years of work. They are probably fairly desperate, and willing to do anything.

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    7. Re:When will it End?!? by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 4, Informative
      Not only did they provide a server, they also provided documentation, and even some simple scripts.

      Link

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    8. Re:When will it End?!? by rbanffy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I will be satisfied when Darl McBride or other SCO senior execs rats his friends at Redmond (who are behind the financing SCO got from the Canopy Group) in exchange for a couple years less worth of jail time and they get indicted for whatever conspiracy they took part in.

      Of course, the MS Astroturf Unit will mod down this into oblivion.

    9. Re:When will it End?!? by inode_buddha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not true. SCO's lawyers have been paid 30 million up front, the fees were capped.

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    10. Re:When will it End?!? by fuzzix · · Score: 4, Funny
      Of course, the MS Astroturf Unit will mod down this into oblivion.
      Lucky for you I read at oblivion... *prepares modpoints*

      Wait... did I just post in this thread? Shit! Sorry, buddy!
  2. Of course, we'd love to help SCO out.... by rewt66 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... Which way did they come in?

  3. Oh, the lack of observation. by cyphercell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    SCO had the memo that said the code was on the CMVC server. They were handed the CMVC server, and apparantly never looked or verified the contents of the memo before claiming it as evidence of deleted code. SCO was trying to pass yet another one over on the Judge, this is painfully idiotic.

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    1. Re:Oh, the lack of observation. by IgLou · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No doubt! And are you as distrubed as I am that this tech company has no idea how to use a software repository product like CMVC?? C'mon! I work in Config Mgmt and have used about half a dozen products to date it's not rocket science on how to use. Basic functions are about the same across the board.

      To be fair, I imagine this is more that the lawyers don't know how to get the information they want... but still.

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  4. No room for appeals. by Darlantan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think Judge Wells sees what is going on and is giving SCO pretty much whatever they want, just to make sure they've got no grounds to appeal when he slaps them down (hopefully soon). Giving them all the rope they want to hang themselves with, as it were. Let's hope it works.

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    1. Re:No room for appeals. by stevesliva · · Score: 5, Informative
      I think Judge Wells sees what is going on and is giving SCO pretty much whatever they want, just to make sure they've got no grounds to appeal when he slaps them down (hopefully soon)
      I agree. Except she's a not a he.
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  5. Legalese Translation by mandelbr0t · · Score: 5, Funny

    Judge Wells asked IBM to help SCO out in any way he could. ROFL! This is legalese for "I'm sorry your opponent is incompetent, but we do have to get through the trial." I wonder if they get to send SCO a bill for consulting services rendered.
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  6. incredulous != incredible. by smellsofbikes · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mark James was certainly not incredulous. Judge Wells probably was. Anyone who reads about it, probably is.
    Incredible: hard to believe. Incredulous: a person who finds something hard to believe.

    I know I shouldn't be harping on about these kinds of things, but it's a common error and maybe someone will learn something.

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  7. Don't worry about an appeal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    SCO will soon be bankrupt. That moves out Darl and co. and moves in the bankruptcy trustee. The trustee will not spend a penny more on litigation. The trustee and the creditors (Novell and IBM) will agree on terms and all the issues will be settled pretty much to IBM/Novell's satisfaction.

    The issues probably can't raise their head ever again, no matter who is found to own the Unix copyrights. In particular, Novell is forestalled from raising them because it has argued against them in court and there's a rule about not saying contradictory things in two different courts. So, when it's over, it's over.

  8. Re:Who cares if IBM destroyed evidence by rewt66 · · Score: 5, Funny

    SCO didn't fabricate evidence. If they did, they'd have some...

  9. I'll be glad when this is all over by eclectro · · Score: 4, Funny

    So I can download Linux legally.

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  10. Re:D'Oh! by nmb3000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Could anything happen at this point that even might help SCO?

    Of course! Just as soon as they figure out the second step they'll be set.

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  11. Re:Question for lawyers by terwilliger+jones · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In 35 years before the bar, I never met a "typical judge". Each judge has his or her own limit of BS they'll tolerate. On a wider scale, though, it's plain from the SCO dodge-and-weave that they got nut n' honey. The judge is clearly no fool, but does not want to wallow this pig twice. IMHO, at this point you're seeing her accommodate SCO's pride, allowing them to vent the last of their spleen before granting Summary Judgment. The case appears to be over. The judge is now doing damage control.