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Spam is Back With A Vengence

Ant writes "The Red Tape Chronicles reports that just last December (2006), the FTC published an optimistic state-of-spam report. It cites research indicating spam had leveled off or even dropped during the previous year. It now appears spammers had simply gone back to the drawing board. There's more spam now than ever before. In fact, there's twice as much spam now as opposed to this time last year. And the messages themselves are causing more trouble. About half of all spam sent now is "image spam," containing server-clogging pictures that are up to 10 times the size of traditional text spam. And most image spam is stock-related, pump-and-dump scams which can harm investors who don't even use e-mail. About one-third of all spam is stock spam now."

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  1. Stock scam spams - 3n14rge yur SC0X ... by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Interesting
    And most image spam is stock-related, pump-and-dump scams which can harm investors who don't even use e-mail. About one-third of all spam is now stock spam

    Until the SEC hasn't gone aggresively against one of the most blatant pump-and-dumps. nothing will change.

    1. Re:Stock scam spams - 3n14rge yur SC0X ... by smallfries · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't see why image spam should be such a problem. While accurate OCR is difficult, detecting the presence of text in an image is quite easy. Given that 0% of images with text on them are genuine it shouldn't be hard for a spam filter to detect these messages and dump them. As long as the error-rate is low this can be done on the server, rather than the client and cut down on the bandwidth used.

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    2. Re:Stock scam spams - 3n14rge yur SC0X ... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 3, Informative

      The images are being 'peppered' with background noise.

    3. Re:Stock scam spams - 3n14rge yur SC0X ... by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't see why image spam should be such a problem.
      • 1000 text-only spams - 20k
      • 1 image spam - 200k
      • Your mail quota and network responsiveness - pricelessly f*cked over

    4. Re:Stock scam spams - 3n14rge yur SC0X ... by rednip · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Old fashioned 'pump and dump' scams were fairly easy to track, as they would go after the brokers who pushed the stock, and then it was a simple task to just follow the money. As we all know emails can be awfully hard to trace back to their creator.

      I used to wonder why people would fall for such scams, 'how could they fall for these things time and time again?'. Well, a couple of years back I was having a conversation with a woman who was distressed that an 'old friend' of her husband had contacted him again. Apparently, this guy has sold (taken) her husband on a variety of pyramid schemes, 'mlm's, and many other 'get rich quick plans. Later, ss nicely as possible I confronted him on 'why' he let this happen. He was a little angry with me, but without any hesitation, he told me that 'one day it will pay off' That day I learned a little something about some people's nature. He knew that these were scams, but he worked them anyways. To the best of my knowledge, he wasn't a crook, and he never approached me with those affairs. So I'm guess that he had hoped that if he just participated, someone else would do the dirty work which would make him rich.

      I suspect that the reason why these latest 'pump-and-dump' scams seem to work (otherwise why would you be seeing so much of it), is not action by those easily duped, but by those who hope that they could exploit the 'opportunity'.

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    5. Re:Stock scam spams - 3n14rge yur SC0X ... by J'raxis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The images are, ironically, using the same technique used in captchas.

    6. Re:Stock scam spams - 3n14rge yur SC0X ... by anagama · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow. Commercial standards in the software industry are real crap if that's how you think about this. Fact is, the guy bought something that was advertised as doing X but when he tried to use it, it was totally broken. He does have a right to be mad. It's just like buying something and finding out it's shoddy garbage that breaks the moment it's pulled from the box. There's even a whole industry of consumer quality research grown up around the idea that you should expect things to work like advertised. There's classic law on the subject, i.e., a product will do what the manufacturer says it will it do and if it doesn't, there are consequences. But in the software industry, you can sell something that is broken before the box is opened and expect the customer to suck it up. That's BS. In the GP's example, the reason the software failed was because the company chose a broken activation scheme. He had a right to be pissed from the start.

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    7. Re:Stock scam spams - 3n14rge yur SC0X ... by rednip · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No they are not. It may require a small amount of skill and knowledge (MSCE, anyone?), or a subpoena, but its is not actually hard.

      Really? are you sure? First of all, the MCSE tests have virtually NOTHING to do with email servers, SMTP, or POP (unless it's changed significantly over the last 10 years). Secondly, if you have ever set up an mail server you would know how easy it is to mis configure one as an open relay (it used to be the default). Third, if you have read Slashdot for more than a week you would know about the zombie networks and their tendencies to be used for spam.

      In any case, stock scams are particularly easy to trace, since the perp has to have a financial connection with someone already holding the stock or involved in trading it.

      Why? No the 'perp' doesn't have to have a financial connection. Sure, old fashioned 'pump-and-dumps' like the Boiler Room involved dozens if not hundred of people, large capitol outlays, and for it to be worthwhile they needed to control a relatively large chunk of a small company's stock. Thanks to the internet that has changed, now all you need to do is to contact a zombie network operator (I hear it's fairly easy on some IRC servers), pay them some money. Hopefully a few hours later that under performing stock which you've held for too long is picking up steam. Some might even stage the email so that a couple of marks hit the stock first, just so that they look like a fool who got lucky and sold early.

      I bet real money that the number of [perps] is in single figures, and that at least one of the decision makers is US resident, even if the typist was off-shore

      Yes, I'm sure that you have bet real money on it. As any examination of my postings will tell one, I am not a 'fan' of the current administration, but there really isn't much they can do about this problem. I am sorry if you've lost money to them, but anyone who trades in stock based on obvious spam is really getting what they deserve.

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    8. Re:Stock scam spams - 3n14rge yur SC0X ... by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, you overlooked something ... the body can be 20 bytes - just a link. People will click any old $hit nowadays, and using stuff like tinyurl helps obfuscate/defeat anti-spam proggies.

      I'm surprised more spammers don't use tinyurl and other services to get around filters. Of course, now that the "secret" is out, we'll see an increase in tinyrurl, permalink, and pingback spam.

    9. Re:Stock scam spams - 3n14rge yur SC0X ... by nuzak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > I didn't know that they'd ever step into this realm, but I occasionally get spam on my FAX at work.

      Junk faxing actually predates email spam, and we got laws prohibiting it quite a while ago. You're entitled to something like $200 per fax ... good luck collecting it though.

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    10. Re:Stock scam spams - 3n14rge yur SC0X ... by smallfries · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're assuming that the mail is being filtered at the client-end. I did state quite clearly that these spams are so easy to detect (ie the false positive rate is so low) that it can all be filtered upstream. Decent server-level spam detection should be able to identity the first message as spam, and then blacklist the sending ip address for a few hours.

      I'd rather get one 200k message that I can identity with near 100% certainty as spam - than 200 1k messages with a 98% detection rate.

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    11. Re:Stock scam spams - 3n14rge yur SC0X ... by ArielMT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No need. I'm filtering loads of spam sent both to and from addresses at my domain which are completely bogus. How from? I'm filtering bounce receipts from other domains sent to bogus addresses there, too, which happen to be spoofing my domain.

      "A master's degree in corporate logos can help lolita get out of debt just by adding three inches to your mortgage. Just open the attached video.exe to learn how to begin."

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    12. Re:Stock scam spams - 3n14rge yur SC0X ... by McFadden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In that case, the spammers have won. A lot of captchas have become so distorted these days, it takes me 2 or 3 attempts before I pass. Especially when they're case sensitive or use zeroes and ohs (0 and O). If the best OCR system known to man (the human brain) can't process it, god help technology.

    13. Re:Stock scam spams - 3n14rge yur SC0X ... by bhiestand · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In that case, the spammers have won. A lot of captchas have become so distorted these days, it takes me 2 or 3 attempts before I pass. Especially when they're case sensitive or use zeroes and ohs (0 and O). If the best OCR system known to man (the human brain) can't process it, god help technology. Right, but if the spammers have to make their images that hard to read, the spammers lose. The idiots who actually buy stock based on "omg buy this stock" spam won't be able to decipher it either.
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  2. Use FuzzyOCR and be mostly done with image spam by BigJim.fr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Last month I installed the FuzzyOCR on my Spamassassin setup it and I can now testify that rare is the image spam that gets through. I wrote a article about it if you want more detail : http://serendipity.ruwenzori.net/index.php/2006/12 /19/fuzzyocr-hits-debian-unstable-and-eradicates-i mage-spam

  3. Failure Notice (Mail Sub-System) by CheeseburgerBrown · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sorry but your message from articles.slashdot.org was REJECTED because it has been flagged by our system as spam. You may not be the source of the spam, but our servers do not respect SPF flags and therefore accept, process and then bounce almost any old slutty slice of bits that get hucked our way. We blame you, the owner of the spoofed domain.

    To get a hard copy of this message please send $1 to Happy Dude, 742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield.

    Promotional consideration has been provided by the Russian Mob.

  4. Re:The solution by bcmm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem with punishing the firms advertised is that it is very hard to prove. It could be that they hired an advertising firm which represented itself as legitimate. It could even be that someone spammed in their name to try and damage their reputation.

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  5. SpamAssassin still works by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Informative

    In spite of the rise in spam, you can still keep everything but the stray message or two a day hitting your inbox if you configure SpamAssassin well. Get a guide like McDonalds' SpamAssassin and follow the steps for the usual configuration based on examining headers and referring to Razor. Then, take a massive collection of all sorts of spam, from text pump 'n' dump to image spam, and feed it into sa-learn, SpamAssassin's Bayesian training system. A good setup with extensive Bayesian training will cut out almost everything. And it's not too hard. If you can install a Linux distro, you can configure SpamAssassin.

    However, this is obviously only to filter spam coming into your own box. When I am travelling, I try to force myself to leave my laptop behind in order to truly relax, but that means that I have to use my e-mail provider's web interface. And when I see that my Inbox has 500 messages after just 36 hours, then I start to understand the grumbling that SMTP is broken and we need a drastically reformed protocol.

    1. Re:SpamAssassin still works by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Informative

      SpamAssasin is great, but it only solves part of the problem. We installed SpamAssasin where I work in July and it's a good thing we did it then, we have seen the spam we receive on a daily basis rise at an exponential rate starting in August(we have maybe 100 or so users). It does solve the spam problem from the end users point of view, SpamAssasin has almost no false positives or false negatives, but the increased volume of spam has still caused headaches. The bandwidth is obviously one, but another is that we installed spamassasin on an older server, naively thinking we wouldn't see said exponential increase in spam. However, now that 90+% of the messages that we receive are spam, the machine is starting to struggle. We are still ahead, but the fear is that if this rate of growth keeps up, the messages will come in faster than we can process them, which means more spent on hardware, manpower, electricity etc. The costs of spam are really being forced on the users of email.....

  6. Comment Spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Akismet is what a lot of Wordpress users (and many other bloggers) use to prevent comment spam. They've got a pretty neat stats page that shows the volume of spam they have blocked from their creation. They are relatively new, so the fact that the graph trends upwards so quickly also has to do with the fact that their userbase is still growing. But it's unquestionable how large a spike I saw in the end of November and December. Particularly over the Thanksgiving/Christmas holiday weekends. I have a personal server in my house that was MELTED by the amount of hits to my dinky little blog. It would go up and then 30 seconds later would be unresponsive and have to be forcefully rebooted. It even killed my D-Link router.

    I'm posting AC so slashdot doesn't melt my server again...

  7. Stock Spam by inode_buddha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, spam is a technical issue driven by human nature and social ills, IMHO. So I think it would be good to have the various trade and exchange regulators deal with it, at least somewhat. For example, the SEC or various national/international trade blocs could have a task force which more actively does something about stock spam. For example, company XYZ appears in a spam message in country ABC. If the company originated the spam or paid for it, then they are barred from trading in country ABC for a length of time. If they did *not* originate the spam, then the task forces would track down the originators with assistance from local law enforcement. The overall idea is to remove the incentive to spam.

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    1. Re:Stock Spam by archen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you referring to the pump in dump scams in which the company has nothing to do with the spam email, because I don't see how that's going to help them. It also sounds like a great way to limit your competition by sending spam emails on behalf of your competitors.

    2. Re:Stock Spam by beakerMeep · · Score: 5, Interesting
      While it's nice to think regulators would fix it I found there were a few reasons why this wouldnt happen. I did a little research on those stock spams. since there had been so many, it got me curious as to what was going on to stop them.

      1) many of the companies that are promoted in the pump and dump schemes are not involved and often dont know for months that they are also victims of the spam. basically its hard to know who really is (spam coming from open relays etc)

      2) most of these stocks are what they call pink slip or OTC (over the counter) stocks not traded on exchages like the NYSE or CME, thus not falling under the SEC (i think, please correct me here im no stock expert)

      3) it appears that these spams are more of a scam to drive people to brokerages, or stock advisors. if you google one of the symbols in the spams, you will find very shady looking, hastily constructed sites who's sole purpose is to grab the #1 google ranking for the word "spam" and the symbol in the email.

      I could be wrong about the purpose but I think there is more to this scam than pump and dump. ymmv.

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    3. Re:Stock Spam by El+Torico · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I see you did your homework, and I would mod you up, but I don't have mod points today.

      it appears that these spams are more of a scam to drive people to brokerages, or stock advisors. if you google one of the symbols in the spams, you will find very shady looking, hastily constructed sites who's sole purpose is to grab the #1 google ranking for the word "spam" and the symbol in the email.

      I wonder if these "pump and dump" schemes are still working? This round of image spam has been going on for months now, so I'd expect that people just delete them. Even shorting these stocks may not be profitable at this point, which is why I think you are right, there is something else going on here. I wonder if this is some type of money laundering scheme?
      As for retribution, if these are "shady looking, hastily constructed sites", then they are your targets. If I was more skilled and so inclined, I would be "analyzing" those sites.

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  8. Moo by Chacham · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Obviously this won't work, i just don't know why, or at least not clearly.

    There are only a few ISPs that connect at cross-network access points. All other ISP, buy their service from up-level ISPs.

    As has been suggested before, why can't every ISP have a policy (start at the top (the access points), and the rules will trickle down) that any ISP sending spam has to turn off access within a few hours or be shut down.

    Ultimately, the low-level ISP, who actually connect to the users would be forced to recognize the individual computers sending the spam, and shut down their access. These users can even use a virus cleaning program, or never come back on.

    When "innocent" computers are turned off, it really isn't that big of a deal. There are free tools to remove viruses, and i'l bet they will be *happy* to know they're a problem, and how to get better.

    At first they would be inundated with calls, but then we'd have a clean inter-network.

    And noone can just start a new top-level network, because they would be denied entry to the access point, of which there are only a few.

    Seriously, why won't this work?

    1. Re:Moo by HairyCanary · · Score: 5, Interesting
      and i'l bet they will be *happy* to know they're a problem, and how to get better.


      I can see you've never worked at an ISP. A customer who is cut off could not care less about why, all they want is to be reconnected immediately and with no work on their part. They will threaten leaving your service, lawsuits, and practically death threats if you do not reconnect them.

      Seriously, why won't this work?

      Primarily it becomes an issue of volume. One call to a customer with an abusive machine will eat up the profit from that customer for months. You can't just call them and say "fix it", you have to handhold them through the process or you will almost certainly lose their revenue altogether.

    2. Re:Moo by metamatic · · Score: 2, Insightful
      One call to a customer with an abusive machine will eat up the profit from that customer for months.

      Sounds to me like your pricing scheme is part of the problem.

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  9. Re:Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spa by Smallpond · · Score: 4, Informative

    Score:1, Redundant

    By definition, shouldn't any post about spam be marked redundant?

    Anyway, I run a mailserver. What I see is surges of email for whatever happens to be the current scam. Last year it was mostly mortgage offers (Get a cheap, misspelled mortqaq3 today!!!) Spamassassin + RBLs eliminate about 70% of the flood. Image-only email is flagged by spamassassin. Now random text is added to get past the Bayesian filters. The arms race continues.

    BTW, if you are the type to send copies of spam to abuse addresses, I advise you to remove identifying info and post it through an anonymous account to avoid retaliation. ISPs tend to forward it to the spammer.

  10. Re:Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spa by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The thing that always bothered me about that skit was that the first two things that the waitress mentioned didn't have spam. Egg and bacon, and Egg Sausage and Bacon.

    Maybe I think about this stuff too much.

  11. Re:What can I say? by robably · · Score: 5, Funny

    That applies to most guys on Slashdot.

  12. new spam methods by edxwelch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's an interesting artical at Extreem tech about the wave of spam that hit us last year:
    http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2060277 ,00.asp

    Most admins were able to find ways to eliminate that eventually: http://blog.fastmail.fm/?p=580

    but now I notice a new trend. Some spammers are actually putting news headlines in the subject field.

    On top of that the black hats are now finding ways to spam emule search results.

    Every search you make in Emule will return a fake hit... something like *_using_emule_multimedia_toolbar.exe. If you exectute that program your machine will be infected with a virus.

    1. Re:new spam methods by Cairnarvon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Viruses and spam? On a filesharing service? The devil you say!

  13. Spam filters can still cope by gvc · · Score: 5, Informative

    The volume of spam is definitely up, and most of it is pump and dumps from a very few distinct sources. In December, about 20% of the 30,000 spams I received were for one particular stock.

    http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/21/231 4241

    But it is wrong to say that this new spam requires radical new filtering techniques. That's what the spam solution vendors (whose press releases drive these /. articles) want you to believe so you'll buy their products. In general, word salads, obfuscated words and image spam do not defeat state-of-the-art statistical filters.

    See, for example, the recent TREC tests: http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~gvcormac/trecspamtrack06

    These results show that filters achieve about the same results on 2006 spam as on 2004 spam, and those results are pretty good. Ongoing tests show that the effectiveness of filters is unchanged for 2007. In general, the volume of spam has increased, and spammers have tried various methods of defeating spam filters. But their efforts have not been particularly successful against statistical filters.

    1. Re:Spam filters can still cope by Animats · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes. The key point is that there aren't that many spammers left. The number of different spams, and especially the number of different stock spams, is quite small.

      What's needed is to push on the SEC to find out who's behind the stock spams. They can do it. The number of people buying those penny stocks before the spam started is tiny, and following the money will eventually lead to the spammer. Yes, they may be working through intermediaries, but that's what FinCen and the money-laundering people trace all the time.

      For the SEC, this is a low priority. They have scams in the billion dollar range, like Enron, WorldCom, etc. to deal with. The typical stock spam makes the spammer a few thousand dollars. The problem is the collateral damage from the spams, not the investment fraud.

    2. Re:Spam filters can still cope by gvc · · Score: 2, Informative
      there's a nice obvious "report as spam" button on every page


      Indeed every mail provider should have such an interface: a trivial way to report filtering mistakes. But you over-estimate the value of everybody else's spam reporting. A filter based only on your own reporting can have a vanishingly small number of false positives, and a small number of false negatives. So small that the total amount of reporting you have to do is no more than for Gmail.

      But many appliance manufacturers promote the scenario in which the user is not prepared to offer any feedback to the filter. It is much harder to achieve reasonable error rates in this mode of operation.

      Bottom line: Gmail's filter is pretty good, but not better than the personal spam filters I've tested. I have yet to see a "hands-free" solution that is as good as one that uses feedback. The amount of feedback required is trivial.
    3. Re:Spam filters can still cope by Maestro_Oz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Spam inflates the cost of communicating - personal hardware, network bandwidth, storage, security measures ad nauseum. So whether "spam filters can cope" is true or not misses the point: Spam is only one aspect of system "noise" that should (and can be) eliminated.

      Four years ago my company and some clever guys solved the spam problem by solving the "noise" problem ~~and no-one wanted to know~~ Why? Spam makes money. Lots of money. Carriers charge for it. Service providers charge for it. There's an army of people Protecting You From It, and another industry of pundits and consultants Telling You About It. And now there are stock brokers who also make money out it due to extra trading activity.

      We couldn't raise money for our spam cure because investors would always refer to the guys who make a living from spam - directly or indirectly. And they'd always say "impossible" / "risky" / "temporary fix" / etc almost always without even knowing what we had.

      It's like the giant machine of the governments-police-courts-insurance companies-news media and the rest in whose interest it is NOT to have a real reduction of crime (more accurately, a real reduction in the conditions leading to crime). So we always focus on mitigating the effects of crime rather than dealing with the causes.

      So too spam. I wonder how many other people have solved this or that only to find that the problem is fully institutionalised?

  14. Make money from spam without spamming by sygin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think an interesting study would be to harvest spam,
    scan for pump and dump, and buy stock based on verious
    factors. If you refined you algorithm perhaps you could get
    an application that would buy and sell pump and dump
    stock on your behalf, and make money in the process

    I would practice with virtual stock at first.

    Could an application buy and sell stock without
    human intervention?

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  15. Re:The solution by eMbry00s · · Score: 5, Interesting
    1 - death ( yes, death, not jail ) for conviced spammers ( oh, and make it painful and long too )
    Please try to size the punishment to the size of the crime. Most civilized countries don't even have death sentence for serial murder. Also, your American laws don't carry much power over other jurisdictions, and convincing others to share death penalty for something like this would be hard.

    2 - any company caught knowingly using spam as a way to advertise is forced to shut down and they lose all thier assets ( including personal )
    Well then I know what to do about my pesky competitors, just have some spammers send spam in their name! Problem solved!

    3 - anyone caught buying from a spam ad should be humiliated in public.
    So who do you want to monitor everybody's commerical actions? Actually, to know that the person bought a product because of spam, we'd need to monitor them whenever they check their email. Big Brother go! :DDDDDDD

    In the name of Karl Popper, though, I appreciate your proposals.
  16. block .gif images? by spacemky · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why not just block e-mails that contain .gif attachments?

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  17. In /. before by pilsner.urquell · · Score: 2, Informative

    This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone One Last Spamhaus Warning Before The End

    1. Re:In /. before by Hymer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just FYI: that blocking is only a DNS blocking, you can use Spamhaus' "real" dns instead or use their ip-addr... and they have launched one service more recently.

  18. What I just don't get.. by ParraCida · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who is even dumb enough to make their purchases based on spam mail. I mean, surely everyone must know what spam is by now? How can one be so dense as to trust a completely random, badly worded, illarticulated e-mail full of spelling mistakes from someone you don't know to make informed decisions about what stock they should buy?

    It simply makes no sense to me. As long as people remain so completely clueless that they will fall for spam, there will be spam.

    1. Re:What I just don't get.. by Orange+Crush · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Who is even dumb enough to make their purchases based on spam mail.

      Apparently, plenty. It only takes a few suckers to justify the time and effort to set up a spam campaign. I'd like to think that some day everyone will be aware enough that pump-and-dumps, nigeria scams, and the myriad other flavors of spam simply won't work any more because nobody will fall for them. Unfortunately, I do not believe that is a likely outcome.

    2. Re:What I just don't get.. by metamatic · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Who is even dumb enough to make their purchases based on spam mail.

      There's a saying in Europe:

      "You know how dumb the average American is? Well, half of them are even dumber than that."

      Seriously, though, people still fall for 419 scams all the time, and I'd think you'd have to be much dumber to go for that than to think you could make money on some stock you heard about in a spam e-mail.

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    3. Re:What I just don't get.. by houghi · · Score: 2, Insightful
      But if email sending were non-free, would it affect spammers given that they send their email via botnets anyway?


      How many botnets will there be after one month when people recieved their first bill? I am sure that many people suddenly care about internet security.
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    4. Re:What I just don't get.. by Incadenza · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Who is even dumb enough to make their purchases based on spam mail. I mean, surely everyone must know what spam is by now? How can one be so dense as to trust a completely random, badly worded, illarticulated e-mail full of spelling mistakes from someone you don't know to make informed decisions about what stock they should buy?

      Well, a lot of it just has to do with the psychological wiring of homo sapiens. We have to think that our actions are meaningful, that our victories are entirely our doing and that our failures are caused by bad luck. Failure to think this way will make you feel very very depressed.

      So, in the case of these stock options scams, there's a lot of people that *know* it is a scam, but, if they're quick enough, they might profit as well from the clueless hordes that will buy the stock later on. My bet is that the largest stake of these stock buyers thinks along theses lines. People might try that a couple of time before they realize they loose every time - and by that time new clueless humans come along.

      Then, there's that pitfall of familiarity. We tend to like things we already know. This is what advertising is based on. Show me 10 advertisements for 'Toothpaste Brand A' and none for 'Toothpaste Brand B' and when I'm in a shop, I will pick brand A (even if I very consciously know that that preference is based solely on advertising). A lot of people will think along the lines "It can't be that bad if they offer it to me this often - it must be the real thing" I once read an interview with a women that suffered severe dental problems after buying teeth whitener form a tell-sell channel, and she literally said "I thought: they advertise so much for it, it must be a good product".

      And then there's just basic greed: "This offer is so good, I don't want to spoil it with disbelief."
      And shame: "I can't ask Viagra to my doctor, this might be a rip off, but it might also be the right thing. I won't know until I try it".
      And the-only-change: "They don't sell penis enlargment kits in my pharmacy, I know it is shady, but I can't get it anywhere else"
      And the list goes on... We are o so great in fooling ourselves.

    5. Re:What I just don't get.. by funfail · · Score: 2, Informative
      "You know how dumb the average American is? Well, half of them are even dumber than that."

      That would be "median American", not "average American". Not that there is a big difference when min and max are so close and the size of sample set is so large but still...
    6. Re:What I just don't get.. by CodeBuster · · Score: 2, Informative

      How can one be so dense as to trust a completely random, badly worded, illarticulated e-mail full of spelling mistakes from someone you don't know to make informed decisions about what stock they should buy?

      Greed can be a powerful motivator for some people, enough to overwhelm their sense, what little they have anyway, of logic and reason which tells them that this is a scam or that an investment promise is too good to be true. Why do people play the Lottery when they know or should know that they have a better chance of being struck by lightning on their way out of the liquor store? The appeal to greed is among the oldest in the charlatan's bag of tricks, it has worked for thousands of years and it will continue to work as long as there are humans on this planet to be duped. They know that spam is spam, but they want millions of dollars too and so they continue to get burned.

  19. Re:The solution by Snarfangel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Please try to size the punishment to the size of the crime.

    I'd settle for ten seconds of jail time and a penny fine per spam. That would (very roughly) approximate treble damages for time wasted. A million spams would yield a 4 month sentence and a $10,000 fine.

    Of course, if they sent a billion spams, they might as well get the death penalty, since they wouldn't be getting out in this lifetime.

    Also, your American laws don't carry much power over other jurisdictions, and convincing others to share death penalty for something like this would be hard.

    The reverse is also the case, of course.

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  20. How often do you hear of spammers getting busted? by BillGatesLoveChild · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It happens, but not that often. When they catch one, law enforcement does a dog and pony show and we applaud wildly. But they just keep coming.

    Arrests don't seem to happen that often. Do a google for "spammer arrested", and most of the hits are about the Buffalo spammer. He was arrested back in 2003 to much fanfare. However my mailbox is still full of. Maybe there is more than one of them out there?

    I'm guessing spammers spam because they know the chance of them being caught is nigh on zero. Yet, this is a criminal racket just like any other criminal racket. If some serious money is put into law enforcement, then spammers might finally get the shakes. Apart from pump-n-dump stocks (get off yer asses SEC), spammers aren't hard to catch. Consider Mortgage spammers. If you reply to a Mortgage spam (I am told) you will later be called by a seemingly unrelated mortgage agency. They have bought your contacts off the spammers. Everything can be traced, and if we have the feds seeded spammers with 1-use-only phone numbers, buying stuff and tracking it just like they do any other illegal contraband, of course they can bust it. Make receiving spammed contact details an offence too: The recipient must be reasonably confident that the leads they received are not spam. Harder to prove, but if there is a reasonable chance of prosecution buyers of spam harvests will become shyer and the market dry up. Lets make it a legal requirement that ISPs have to report spamming users to the feds.

    And let's get beyond "fines" for offenders. Fines for any profitable business are merely an operating expense. What really scares company directors is Jail time. This has been used in L.A. to force companies comply with laws they'd otherwise have simply paid out. If a spammer thinks there is a 0.0001% chance of him being caught (and then let off with a warning), they will do it. If they think they probably can't sell their harvest, have a 50% chance of being caught and will definitely go to Jail, they won't!

    So why isn't this happening? (1) It's not an issue for politicans. I want to see Obama/Hillary/McCain arguing about Spam!!! and so... (2) The money isn't budgeted for law enforcement. With some Elliot Nesses on Spam, I reckon we can crack this. How do we let the politicians know this is an issue for us?

  21. Re:The solution by eMbry00s · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just like with the war on drugs, eh? Yeah I see how raising the punishment really helps. No wait. Shit, it doesn't. I guess we're fucked now.

    What I think would help is ISPs taking confirmed zombie machines offline. It's done in Sweden by some ISPs, and most people don't seem to have a problem with that.

  22. Not just Email Spam here by erica_ann · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not only am I seeing more Spam hitting my inbox.. I am seeing more spam on WordPress Blogs. This is where I am seeing the most problems.

    The email server I use tags and filters spam, but the WordPress Blogs are filling up with Spam, plus it is clogging up MySql databases for comment spam that it uses all the processing power up - so the other services on the box as well as the webserver crawl to a slow. Even with other programs such as Akismet marking the comment psots as spam, the problem lies in the database being tied up.

  23. Solution to stock spam? by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 2, Informative

    Perhaps the SEC could require stock brokers and other companies issuing penny/OTC/pink sheet stocks to log whoever buys or sells them. There should be a discernible pattern among pump-and-dump traders that the SEC could backtrace to identify the perpetrator. I would imagine the perpetrator would not purchase the stock too far in advance, as market fluctuations during that time could make their scheme fail. They probably buy the stock only a few days or maybe weeks beforehand, and then sell immediately after the spike. Their initial purchase is probably sizable as well, more than your average investor. For most people who never deal with OTC stocks, their privacy is ensured. For those who do choose to deal with these types of stocks, it would be part of the cost of business for dealing in such a risky and crime-ridden market. The SEC needs to figure this one out sooner rather than later...

  24. Re:1p per email by pilsner.urquell · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If 1p was changed per email with the 1st 30 free per day it would stop spam dead.

    I can go one better. 1-Charge the $0.01 (or $0.005 or whatever) per piece of email, prepaid.

    2-When the email reaches the other end monies are returned to the sender. However, at the recipients discretion the postage return can be stopped.

    The end result would hopefully be that spammers pay, optimally through the nose, and compliant users still get to use the system for free or next to free.

  25. Failure Notice (Moderation Sub-System) by enharmonix · · Score: 2, Insightful
    How to tell a message is NOT flamebait

    1. Satire: Perhaps the most confounding form of humor, note the subtle reference to the discussion embedded in a story about something else. This wasn't flaming slashdot, it was about how spam that appears to originate from your domain (but doesn't) can get you blacklisted by site admins as clueless as the moderators who flagged the parent as flamebait. Here is a good example of satire:

    I'm sorry but your message from articles.slashdot.org was REJECTED because it has been flagged by our system as spam. You may not be the source of the spam, but our servers do not respect SPF flags and therefore accept, process and then bounce almost any old slutty slice of bits that get hucked our way. We blame you, the owner of the spoofed domain.

    For further reading, see the wiki.

    2. Obligatory references to The Simpsons:

    To get a hard copy of this message please send $1 to Happy Dude, 742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield.

    Hint to poster: Next time, just go with the "overlords" joke.

    3. Relevancy: Recent news stories highlight that most spam is coming from botnets under the control of Eastern European and Russian criminal organizations. Had you bothered to read anything on /. about spam prior to moderating just now, you'd probably know this. Hence the following is, in fact, funny:

    Promotional consideration has been provided by the Russian Mob.

    Thank you for moderating today! We hope you enjoyed your crack!

  26. Re:The solution by clark0r · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My ISP (www.ntlworld.com) doesn't allow you to use www if your connection has a high amount of outgoing port 25 action. I know this because a PC here got infected with a mass-mailer trojan once. Instead of seeing the webpage you're trying to see, you are shown a page telling you that you've been infected, along with access to several tools for removing these kind of infections. If ALL ISPs did this, I would think that spam traffic would be heavily reduced.

  27. Filtering is wrong by Dion · · Score: 4, Informative

    What you are doing to filtering, it is wrong because all it does (when it works) is to keep you from reading spam and cost you CPU time.

    The bandwidth already been spent once the spam reaches your filter.

    A much better approach (IMHO) is to use greylisting along with a few fast spamtrap driven RBLS, this way the mail doesn't even get transmitted to my server and I save both CPU, bandwidth and time.

    Since I switched I have gotten a max of 2 spams pr. day, some days the count is even zero.

    There are two reasons this approach is so great:
    1) The greylisting on its own will weed out all the non-compliant MTAs, most spammers use zombies that don't care if their payload gets delivered, so they never retry.
    2) The real MTAs that spam might get to me before hitting a spamtrap, but the greylisting tells them to come back a bit later, by that time they have hit one or more spamtraps and get blocked by an RBL.

    I have yet to think of a way for spammers to defeat this scheme and the cost to legitimate mail is a 10 minute delay the first time someone sends me mail.

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    1. Re:Filtering is wrong by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Greylisting helps, but not much since most spam is retried multiple times.. when I tried it the volume of spam didn't drop by more than a few %, and I lost quite a bit of legitimate email (MS Exchange servers mostly as they treated the nonfatal error code as a bounce).

      The biggie for me is sender verification (in postfix, probably in other MTA's too) - the MTA looks up the MX for the sending domain and basically says 'do you know who cheapviagra@foo.com is?'. This catches over 80% of spam before it even reaches the server (only a few headers are sent). Spamassassin mops up the rest.

      Even that has false positives (cisco for example send out emails from bogus email addresses). There's no perfect system..

    2. Re:Filtering is wrong by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have yet to think of a way for spammers to defeat this scheme and the cost to legitimate mail is a 10 minute delay the first time someone sends me mail.

      But you are practicing "security thru obscurity". As soon as such goes mainstream, spammers will experiment and adjust. They can work all day on the problem because it is their "job", you cannot.

      In fact, they probably hire armies of engineers who work for peanuts in Timbuktoo. The same forces that are offshoring techie jobs is making spam practical.

    3. Re:Filtering is wrong by bjorniac · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Nonsense. Filtering is not wrong - it is a stopgap. Sure, it doesn't help my ISP much, but it saves me time. Yes the bandwidth is taken up, but my time isn't. And for a few dollars a month I can upgrade my bandwidth, and hell, even buy a new processor every year or two, but my time is more valuable than that.

      I agree that it would be very nice to stop spam altogether, or at least stop it before it gets near to my mail server, but so far as I'm concerned, filtering has changed spam from being a 15 minute annoyance each working day to a bandwidth hit that I barely notice.

      I can't fault your technical knowledge, I'm not that good, but in so far as my workplace is concerned, filters do an adequate job.

    4. Re:Filtering is wrong by binner1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      220 ...
      EHLO f.q.d.n.
      220 OK
      MAIL FROM: (<> or postmaster or recipient)
      220 OK
      RCPT TO: (the apparent sender)
      (220 OK or 550 bad user... or etc)
      QUIT

      The last status code indicates whether that address is permitted on the remote MX or not. The problem here is greylisting by the remote MX...it's better to only teergrub/tarpit connections you can't remotely verify these days rather than drop them outright. The escalation of the spam was has made sender verification not as fool proof as it used to be.

      -Ben

  28. Re:The solution by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's a git if you're running a mailing list... suddenly you can't browse the web.

  29. A lot easier than that by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I recall someone claiming that they had *made money* based on stock spam. The strategy was really simple: they shorted whatever stock that was being pushed by spam. Shorting a stock means you borrow shares of the stock and sell them. If the price of the stock drops, you buy shares to fulfill your short contact at a lower price than the ones you borrowed. You make money on the difference. Sounds simple but you're screwed if the price of the stock goes up.

    Example: You "borrow" 500 shares of Pump-n-dump Enterprises at $5.00 a share and sell them making $2,500.00. It crashes to $0.10 per share. You buy 500 shares to fulfill your short contract at that price for $50.00. You net $2,450.00.

    Cheers,
    Dave

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    Ben
  30. Re:Yep, I don't get it either by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2, Insightful
    In order to get their messages past all the anti-spam measures around these days, these guys have to send out almost totally undreadable misspelt nonsense with completely misleading subject lines.

    Yes. The fact that modern spam is unreadable garbage is a huge win for us, the good guys. It means that to run an effective spam campaign you now need to to spend say 10 million spams instead of only one. The success rate is way, way lower so you have to bump up the volume to get the same hit. If it weren't for botnets, spam would probably be on the decline by now because simply delivering the quantity of mail needed would be impractical. Unfortunately we do have botnets, so all we see is the same amount of spam, but more nonsensical. Still, if one day we can solve the botnet problem, it means the spam problem will largely be solved at the same time.

    I can't beleieve that people receive these things and then go on to purchase something. It doesn't make sense.

    Viagra, and its competitors Cialis and Levitra, are all prescription drugs. Presumably, a lot of people either want to use them but don't actually need them, or are too embarassed to go to their doctor and admit they can't get it up. Buying online is anonymous and there's no risk of anybody finding out. You can't buy them from legit sites because they are prescription, so spammers mop up the black market. We could probably halve the volume of spam tomorrow by making Viagra non-prescription.

    As to why people buy penny stocks on the advice of spam, well, I guess they are just morons.

  31. Greylisting is intrusive; unknown fp rate by gvc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    One of the great features of email is immediacy. I want that receipt for my airplane ticket right now, not in a few {minutes, hours, whatever}. If a colleague in Europe or Asia sends me a message and it gets delayed a few {minutes, hours, whatever} it can easily cost a day's delay in our correspondence. I'll tolerate none of that.


    We have no way of knowing how many legitimate delivery failures are caused by greylisting. That's because, as the parent points out, messages are rejected a priori and there's no quarantine to check. If you reject and for whatever reason it is not retransmitted, your mail is lost. Maybe this "shouldn't" happen but it does, and it happens often enough that it is not entirely obvious that its false positive rate is less than that of a spam filter.


    It is also trivial for a spammer to defeat greylisting. Perhaps they don't at this time, but at any moment they could flip a switch and render your approach useless. Contrary to popular belief, state-of-the-art spam filters aren't so easily defeated.


    Blacklisting doesn't suffer from the immediacy problem of greylisting, but it shares the problem of an unknown false positive rate, and mediocre false negative rate.

    1. Re:Greylisting is intrusive; unknown fp rate by MavEtJu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One of the great features of email is immediacy.

      Whoever sold your email as a realtime medium clearly has no idea what he was talking about. Or he did and you fell for it. Want to buy a bridge?

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    2. Re:Greylisting is intrusive; unknown fp rate by dodobh · · Score: 2, Informative

      Email has never been about "immediate, guaranteed delivery". Email can and will be delayed.

      If you want immediate, use IM or make a phone call.

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    3. Re:Greylisting is intrusive; unknown fp rate by mpe · · Score: 2, Informative

      One of the great features of email is immediacy.

      This is not in the spec.

      I want that receipt for my airplane ticket right now, not in a few {minutes, hours, whatever}

      Whilst this may happen there are plenty of reasons for it not happening. Including having outgoing email checked by a human being and sent as a batch job.

      We have no way of knowing how many legitimate delivery failures are caused by greylisting. That's because, as the parent points out, messages are rejected a priori and there's no quarantine to check. If you reject and for whatever reason it is not retransmitted, your mail is lost.

      Greylisting sends back a response which says "I can't process this now" try later. There are plenty of other reasons for an SMTP transaction to return this kind of response.

      Maybe this "shouldn't" happen but it does, and it happens often enough that it is not entirely obvious that its false positive rate is less than that of a spam filter.

      A "false positive" in this context is indictative of a broken MTA.

    4. Re:Greylisting is intrusive; unknown fp rate by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's exactly what I said. The beauty of the phone is that it's intrusive, it disturbs you, it interrupts you. Exactly the properties you want when you need to talk to someone right now.

      Also, e-mail is not immediate. It can be delayed any amount that the intermediaries want, for example, because the dial-up process doesn't run again until tomorrow at noon. Or maybe because your firewall and censors haven't read it and approved it yet.

      If you insist on calling e-mail immediate, then you just don't understand the technology.

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  32. Re:The solution by Firethorn · · Score: 2, Informative

    Then you contact your ISP and make arrangements, after you convince them that you're not a spammer.

    Fairly simply. Though today it should be able to tell the difference between legitimate bulk email* and spam

    Such as mail-type discussion groups, business relations like people who want to receive tiger direct's adds, etc...

    When you're having to post random segments of encyclopedias and put your actual message into an image to get through the filters, it's a clue that you're not wanted.

    Those types I'd like to see shot. Heck, I'd shoot them myself.

    Oh, and I don't believe that spammers are truly a dime a dozen. I think that if we removed the 10 worst spammers we'd drop spam in the USA by 50% or more.

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  33. Re:The solution by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know of no good ISP that bans such servers. Nor would I use any that did - that's retarded... I'm paying for the bandwidth and it's mine to use.

    Consumer grade DSL is much faster than the servers that used to run ISP email systems just a few years ago - there's really no need to pay for expensive hosting unless you're a company needing 99.9% uptime. I do have hosts for some stuff but only that for which the bandwidth requirements exceed what DSL can provide.

  34. Let's all cripple our email! by gvc · · Score: 3, Funny

    Here's an even more effective method: almost all spam contains one of the letters {a, e, i, o, u}. Simply write a grep filter to reject all such messages!

  35. Re:Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spa by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Informative

    Rule 1: never forward spam, even to abuse addresses, and absolutely never to the 'unsubscribe' address.

    The only exception I know of is spamcop as they're (I think) trustworthy.

  36. Re:The solution by jonbryce · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your post advocates a

    (x) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante

    approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

    ( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
    ( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
    ( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
    ( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
    (x) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
    (x) Users of email will not put up with it
    (x) Microsoft will not put up with it
    ( ) The police will not put up with it
    (x) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
    (x) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
    (x) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
    ( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
    ( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

    Specifically, your plan fails to account for

    ( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
    (x) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
    (x) Open relays in foreign countries
    ( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
    (x) Asshats
    (x) Jurisdictional problems
    ( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
    ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
    (x) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
    (x) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
    ( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
    ( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
    (x) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
    (x) Extreme profitability of spam
    ( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
    (x) Technically illiterate politicians
    ( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
    (x) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
    ( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
    (x) Outlook

    and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

    ( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
    been shown practical
    ( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
    (x) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
    ( ) Blacklists suck
    ( ) Whitelists suck
    ( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
    ( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
    ( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
    (x) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
    ( ) Sending email should be free
    ( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
    (x) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
    ( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
    ( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
    ( ) I don't want the government reading my email
    ( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

    Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

    (x) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
    ( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
    ( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
    house down!

  37. Re:The solution by suso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know of no good ISP that bans such servers. Nor would I use any that did - that's retarded... I'm paying for the bandwidth and it's mine to use.

    Ok numbnuts, that's exactly the kind of attitude that spammers have. That they can do anything because they pay for it. You pay taxes for construction of roads and for schools, but that doesn't give you the right to drive 100 mph through a school zone. You have to have limits. There have to be rules.

  38. SURBL by bcrowell · · Score: 2, Informative

    I implemented SURBL recently, and it's helped a lot. Your filter extracts url's from the *body* of the e-mail, and checks them against SURBL's blacklist. The idea is that most spam is trying to get you to click on a link, and although they can forge the From: line, they're still constrained to give the address they want you to click on. This has been amazingly effective for me, and it's really nice because there are essentially no false positives. It won't necessarily work with pump-and-dump scams, though, since it's possible for them to say "buy SCOX," without giving a URL.

  39. Re:The solution by floydvoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    no not like the war on drugs , there we are mainly jailing low level dealers and end users #3 above, and let's face it there are a lot of people who want drugs( wheather we like it or not) . Nobody wants spam (except the spammers).Spam is attacking the very fabric of our society(the internet), do we let the few (spammers) destroy it or do we punish those who try.The war on drugs is not popular for several reasons ,no one in their right mind objects to removing murders ,rapists and child molesters from society , although some on moral grounds prefer long prison sentences to the death penality.

  40. Penology 101 by gvc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you want to stop crime, the penalty should be,
    and perceived to be:

        - certain
        - immediate
        - more costly than the benefit of the crime

    "Law and order" advocates generally advocate
    draconian punishments, but there is no evidence
    that they help, beyond counterbalancing the
    benefit of the crime. Increased detection speed
    and likelihood are far more effective.

    You might think that draconian punishments increase
    the expected cost, even with haphazard and delayed
    detection, but they don't increase the perceived
    cost nearly enough to counter the tacit "I will
    beat the odds mentality" to which criminals and
    lottery-ticket buyers cling.

    In the case of spam, I'm not entirely convinced
    that any of the three criteria are met, but
    cranking up the third is certainly not "a solution"
    as the parent indicated.

  41. stock pump-n-dump by jafac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, one can only hope that this leads to some wider sweeping reforms, because as it stands now, the market is way too influenced by widespread fraud and insider trading. It's not anywhere close to being a legitimate market, it's more like a casino where a few favored gamblers get the nod, and even fewer just get lucky, and the rest lose, and maybe this wave of spam will spur some real change on the law enforcement side.

    Or maybe mail servers will just start rejecting all binary attachments.

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  42. aim correctly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem is zombies, and the problem there is Microsoft products are unsuitable as shipped for use on the internet. Off the internet, different story, more or less functional, but to surf with and use email etc? Completely faulty product. Broken beyond design.

      They are allowed to profit immensely, yet have no normal consumer warranty. Precedent setting major supreme court action here, class action would be the way to go, from individual users to ISPs, file suit,do it, sort this crap out. If software companies can demand patents and receive them-that means they should be *forced* to offer a warranty, including suitability for purpose, exactly the same as any other consumer product out there. One or the other, but not both. If software is just art, then copyrights only. If it is a product with patentability-make them have a warranty. Even just dead tree books-copyright only, because they are a product, have to have a warranty, it is implied. If the pages fall out with normal immediate use-they will be forced to recall them.

        If Microsoft (or any other for sale software company) wants to still offer software with no warranty, call it a beta testing agreement, but then they can't charge a single penny for it. Shift the responsibility to where it belongs.

    --and sorry leet trolls, before you even start, I don't give a rat's ass about some slashdork geek who claims he can keep his windows box "secure". That isn't the point at all. There are one hundred million people or a lot more who *can't* keep their machines secure, that's the point, that's why there is so much spam and other sorts of computer bogusness, because it's too hard for normal users to use this stuff even remotely safely on the internet, and microsoft software is insanely insecure and has a precedent going back years to prove it, despite numerous major releases all claiming to have "fixed" the problems.. It just is, admit freaking reality.

      In this day and age you don't have to be an engineer to use normal consumer products. You shouldn't need to be a thermodynamics engineer and an EE to keep your refrigerator running. You shouldn't nneed to be a systems administrator and a programmer and a security guru to surf the internet. You don't need to be a telecommunications engineer to use a telephone. You don't need to be a professional audio engineer to use consumer audio equipment.

      The cartel of Microsoft and the big box vendors KNOWINGLY ship consumer products that they make billions on knowing they are highly susceptible to malicious compromise. In legal terms, this is maintaining an attractive nuisance at a minimum. And I'll repeat the patent angle- you want a patent, want to maintain your typed up crap is some sort of "product" that you can charge money for? You need a warranty, or offer it for free for testing with a copyright only.

  43. Re:The solution by Jimithing+DMB · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or you can simply block all outbound port 25 except to very specific mail servers. Cox does this. At first I was a little miffed but then I realized it makes sense. You can still send mail to anywhere you just need to go through their mail server. So if you are running your own SMTP you simply set (for example) smtp.east.cox.net as your smart host and be done with it.

    This way you stop most of the mass mailing trojans because they'd have to be smart enough to use the right smart host. Then, even if they do get smart enough to do that cox still has their mail server's log so they can easily show what went out.

    The only wrinkle in this is a road warrior who wants to authenticate to his company's mail server so the mail appears to be coming from there. That is simple actually. Simply run a mail submission agent (MSA) on port 587 and reconfigure the clients to use port 587. An MSA only accepts authenticated connections.

  44. SpamAssassin/filters only part. Need callerid/DKIM by johnjones · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ok the problem is that people/people worrying about spam are not publishing callerid and DKIM in DNS

    before we blame ISP's for not doing it by default we must (those people who read slashdot) ask out hosts to do it
    make sure we have done it for our domains

    ANTISPAM NEEDS YOU

    simple

    if you send mail from a domain make sure it has a callerid and if possible use DKIM

    ISP's who sell domains and put a MX record in by default Without at least a callerid record are wrong... lets correct ours and then ask them to correct theirs

    spamassassin can check SPF and DKIM so enable it NOW !

    regards

    John Jones

    p.s. setup yous now

    Microsoft callerID and exchange/outlook resources

        Kerio CallerID check to help chek your setup
        yahoo resources on Domain Keys and setup for various MTA's

  45. Single user spam filters are too limited. by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A big problem with most spam filters, especially the open source ones, is that they're single user. They're trying to work out from the content what's spam. Systems like gmail (and Spamcop before IronPort bought it) look at spam addressed to a large number of addresses. When roughly similar material starts showing up at a few hundred different addresses, the probability that it's spam is very high.

    Here's a thought. Mail servers should, on receiving an SMTP connection from an IP address, probe that IP address to see if it's a Microsoft consumer-grade operating system. If so, reject the connection. That would put a dent in the zombie problem.

  46. end of no-permission email by drDugan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Spam will effectively destroy email as we know it. Too many people, too many messages, and too easy to get to people.

    We will migrate to a system where a sender must have a "key" before email is accepted, and those keys are under the control of the reciever.

    This kind of system will work much like email, as it is so popular and so useful people will only migrate from it slowly. Default keys for new email users will be simple (like a "1"). Once someone is getting enough connection, enough email, then mail clients will communicate automatically with known good senders and create an individual, bidirectional keypair so that future communication with known friends continues, while spam is shut off. In the future, sharing someone's "contact" will be more akin to sharing the private key they have to connect to a person. Once you see a new email address use a known key of someone else, you would accept it once, automatically regnerate the key for the original person, and watch the behavior to determine if it was spam or a legitimate introduction of a friend to a friend. To most users this system could work exactly like email now - just need to add more functionality to the mail clients' spam processing ability.

  47. Re:The solution by FireFury03 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok numbnuts, that's exactly the kind of attitude that spammers have. That they can do anything because they pay for it.

    Last I checked, spammers didn't pay to rent the bandwidth and processor time on each zombie machine they use.

    You have to have limits. There have to be rules.

    However, those limits shouldn't put a stop on legitimate activity. Just because _you_ do not have a legitimate reason to be running a mail server doesn't mean no one else does.

    I'm all for ISPs cracking down on spammers, but not in a way that prevents people legitimately using the service.

    (For the record, the great-great-great grandparent cited NTL as an example, who unfortunately have a history of _not_ dealing with abuse of their service, even when the recipient of the attack reports the abuse and supplies logging proving the source of the attack.)

  48. Riding a fictional pump'n'dump by mysticgoat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    An underlying assumption is that these stock schemes are pump'n'dumps fostered by someone who has actually risked money on buying the stock. I don't think that's generally the case.

    Whether a pump'n'dump succeeds or not, the broker handling the transactions will take his commission. Anyhting that increases a broker's transaction volume will increase his earnings, including shorts; he always takes his cut. A "shrewd" broker, like the ones known for calling nursing home residents to encourage them to day trade their life savings, don't need to do an actual pump'n'dump scheme; all they need to do is make it look like one is happening and wait for the suckers who want to take a ride on it. It doesn't matter whether the stocks go up or down, either way they collect when these are bought, and collect again when they are sold.

    I think most of these stock scams are coming from sleazy brokers rather than stock speculators. Paying a few bucks a month to a spammer who is getting the same amount from a bunch of other brokers would be more than worthwhile when it increases the monthly transaction volume for all of them. Tracking the transactions he sees for the stocks the spammer decides to use is a simple way of checking whether the subscription to the spammer's service has been worthwhile.

    Doing it this way, no one would actually have to work at researching pump'n'dump possibilities or risk any of their own money in a speculative buy. Also, there would be no way to trace back from the stock to the crooks, since the crooks never touched the stock itself. For con artists, this is a perfect deal. The marks suckered into it aren't going to talk about it: who is going to admit that they lost money trying to beat a pump'n'dump scheme?

    Of course no one who reads slashdot would be dumb enough to fall for this scheme, right?

  49. Re:The solution by jfengel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mostly the grandparent post is guilty of something missing from the standard spam solution rebuttal checklist: insufficient details.

    Yeah, a spam solution is almost certainly going to involve a modification to the SMTP protocol. The devil is in the details.

    For my tastes, I'd be content to start with rejecting emails immediately rather than sending out "your email was rejected" messages. The number of valid "rejected" messages has got to be infinitesimal compared to the amount of address-guessing spam in the universe. About 1/3 of the spam I get comes from somebody's server rejecting somebody else's spam and telling me about it to no useful effect.

  50. Re:The solution by fredklein · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I HATE these stupid 'form letter' responses. They make the poster look like they know-it-all, and they preclude any REAL thought or discussion about the idea. That said, I have a simple, foolproof idea to help eliminate spam.

    Email certification.

    If you want to be able to send Certified Email (CE), you apply for Certification from the company that gives you internet connectivity. They check you out, and 'Certify' you as being a legitimate emailer (ie: not a spammer). Then, you generate a private/public key pair and give them the public one. In the headers of all your email, is their certification, and an encrypted header line that's createdusing your private key.

    When email arrives at the recipients server (or this could be done at the client level, as well), the server sees the certification, and connects to the certifying server to get your public key. It attempts to decrypt the header line. If it does it marks the email as 'certified', if it cannot, it marks the email as 'uncertified', and the email client can be programmed to filter messages based on that.

    Due to the public/private key cryptography, there can be no certified email spoofing. (Assuming the private keys are secure, the keys are of decent length, etc.) All emails are traceable back to the originating server. CORRECTION- all CERTIFIED emails are traceable. Anonymous email is still possible. People can still set up email servers for mailing lists without "having" to get them certified. And people can still receive non-certified mail.

    If an email server sends out spam, the complaints go to it's certifier. They can drop the certification, deleting the public key from their server. When this happens, ALL the email from the spamming server is now 'uncertified', and gets handled accordingly by email clients. If nothing is done, complaints go to THEIR upstream, etc. Individuals and groups can keep their own blacklists, if they wish, and anyone can choose to filter emails according to those lists.

    Now, I've looked over that 'form email' that people like to post to shoot down anti-spam ideas. And nothing applies to this idea. (If something seems to apply, it's because I either left out details, or explained something wrong.) This idea does NOT need to be universally adopted, nor does it need to be adopted by everyone all at once. It's primarily a way of reliably tracing (certified) emails back to their originating server. The anti-spam part comes later: if you receive certified spam, complain and get the server un-certified. If you receive un-certified spam... well, just have your email client dump all uncertified emails in the trash. (Not nessisarilly, you could just use it's un-certifedness as a factor in filtering your email.)

    This idea does not require anything be changed with SMTP. It simply requires a second connection be made to the certifying server. Now, before you bitch about the extra bandwidth, I'd like to remind you that, once this idea catches on, spam will be greatly reduced. This reduction will MORE than make up for the slight increase in bandwidth created in querying the certifying servers. Also, the certifying servers can set time limits on when the certifications expire, and need to be re-downloaded (kind of like DHCP leases). A 'new' company that just applied for certification might have it's certificate set to expire almost instantly. This way, every email they send requires a download of the certificate. This allows the certificate to be pulled rapidly if they start spamming. After a month or two, it could be set to expire weekly or monthly.

    To sum up: Email Certification is reliable way of tracing the certified emails back to their originating server. This allows spammers to be identified unequivocally, and have their certification pulled. Email servers are NOT required to be certified, and anonymous email is still possible. Email recipients can, if they choose, set up their client to send uncertified emails to the trash, or to handle them however they wish. White lists and black lists

  51. Greylisting is so 2005 ...... by nblender · · Score: 2, Informative

    Greylisting doesn't work anymore. You might block a few spammers but I do greylisting with the latest version of postgrey and I still wind up with about 50 spams a day that get through to my spamassassin... Spammers take non-fatal error returns and add them to the end of the list. X-Greylist: delayed 58065 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at xxxxx; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:58:49 UTC X-Greylist: delayed 48829 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at xxxxx; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:42:10 UTC X-Greylist: delayed 8054 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at xxxxx; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:18:46 UTC That's from my spamassassin folder.

  52. Re:The solution by jfengel · · Score: 2, Informative

    What I mean is, I'd like to change the protocol from:

    Spammer: Here's some email
    Server: Thanks! .. time passes ...
    Server: Hey, this is spam! Let's send it to jfengel!

    to

    Spammer: Here's some email
    Server: Screw you. It's spam. (or "There's no such person here. I reject it now rather than having to call you back using the forged header.")

    I suspect that the SMTP protocol already supports that. But in general, SMTP is heavily oriented towards store-and-forward in an intermittently connected, unreliable network, passing mail at midnight when the rates were cheap. Maybe that's still a good mode to support, since not everybody has high-speed lines and the network is still unreliable, but TCP and the backbone have solved the problem without some of the problems that come from store-and-forward.

  53. Re:The stock market can fix stock spam. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem of stock spam can be fixed by the stock market. Zero tolerance. Automatically delist any stock advertised by spam.

    How could that possibly help? Or were you just planning to pump-n-dump Microsoft from a Panera Bread the day after this law hit the books?

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  54. There are currently 1075 messages in your Bulk... by dreddnott · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Whenever I see inconsistencies like that in a Python work, I just attribute it to the surrealist aspect of the group's sense of humour. The scene starts off as a normal cafeteria, and then suddenly spam starts popping up in the ingredients list, more and more, and eventually a chorus starts singing louder and louder in direct analogy to the prevalence of spam. The spam and musical crescendoes are more amusing when you set the list up to start with two spam-free menu items, and then you realise that you've been sucked into an evil parallel universe

    But we digress...sometimes I go through my bulk e-mail and read my spam's sender names and subjects for a good dose of surrealist humour. Let's see what I have from today that's especially funny:

    Winston Beaver sent me "Hussy so agreeable and cultured!"
    Patti asked me "yoou wantt punctilious Cuties?"
    Freeman Childress wanted to talk to me "Re: Loan requets approved"
    Stockroom P. Groundwork and Unkinder R. Restudy sent me blank e-mails. :(

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  55. The approach is wrong by JavaRob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I keep seeing variations on this idea, and while it's perfectly sound in the abstract, in practice it simply will not happen.

    The problem is that certification is useless until the vast majority of email servers are certified.

    I know, you said this isn't true, but I don't think you understand the situation. Spam filtering at the client level doesn't affect spam -- the suckers who the spam targets are NOT configuring filters at home. Yes, the geeks will get their family server in the basement certified in their spare time, and all their friends will send them certified messages. The spammers won't give a damn, because they're perfectly happy if the geeks and antispammers don't read their spam (they don't buy anyway).

    So -- can you imagine an ISP filtering out email at the server level based on certification? No -- because all grandma cares about is getting Junior's emails, and when they stop coming (because his ISP's servers are in the 95% still uncertified) she gets on the phone and starts costing them money... and don't forget the time/money they spent implementing the filter, testing it, rolling out with hopefully no glitches/downtime, monitoring it, etc..

    They might put a flag in the subject line of uncertified emails... okay, but it shows up in the emails from the bank, from the kids, from work... the complaints roll in. Cash flows out. So filtering is a liability.

    But what about their own outgoing mail? Certify? Well, again it'll cost a chunk of time (money) to learn, setup and maintain 24/7/365 with the occasional confused complaint, it'll possibly cost their users some downtime particularly if they screw it up, and it'll gain them *nothing* for now, because no one is filtering yet (see above).

    No brainer decision when your staff is already stretched thin.

    The last link is the upstream access provider. They would need to implement the system and hire the staff for accepting complaints (online? via phone?), filtering out the sabotage from the real complaints, collecting evidence of abuse, dealing with angry ISPs on the phone, establishing/expiring/revoking certification, etc..

    Will they go for it? Again, big cost, big headaches, and no gain until that magical day when everyone is on board.

    Seriously, there's a positive push because no one likes spam, and everyone would gain from a plan that would actually curb it... but people need to come up with something that will work on the low level.

    The SPF system is one that DOES help incrementally more as implementation spreads. It mitigates joe-jobs and backscatter for all domains with a SPF DNS record, and is trivial for server admins to implement. AND it doesn't cost anything if mail servers reject mail that fails the test: valid email will come from the server listed in the DNS record, OR the server may have no SPF record yet (let it through). Spammers can only spoof addresses without SPF records, since they can't set up their own SPF record -- they'd be easily traceable when they spam, since the domain registrar would have credit card info, etc..

    Even at early stages, there's benefit for server admins to filter (removes spam safely from any domain with an SPF record), and there's benefit for adding the SPF record (please, filter out spam that pretends to be from me! my customers don't like it).

    It's not perfect... forwarding email and badly created records can cause issues, plus while AOL has implemented basic SPF filtering Microsoft is involved and trying to mix XML into the record format somehow....

    Personally I feel the BlueFrog approach is the strongest for non-stock-pump spam... but obviously a decentralized approach is required to avoid Blue Security's fiery downfall. The main problem with this system is that human analysis is required to analyze spam and write scripts for leaving complaints.

  56. Not really by Dion · · Score: 2, Informative

    Two points:

    1) Email has never been an instant messaging system, I've tried getting people to stop asking for an IRC/ICQ/MSN/AIM/whatever chat and just use email, but nobody listens.

    2) Any mail server that doesn't retry when given a temporary failure code is broken and needs to be replaced, sooner rather than later.

    In any case, I do review my mail logs (well I did the first two weeks of using the new system) and I saw exactly zero false positives.

    The spamtrap driven RBLS I use all list and delist servers quickly, so they also cause no false positives, but if they ever do the user who sent me the unlucky ham will get a nice bounce message, so he will be able to retry the mail or call me.

    I think getting bounce is much nicer than just having your mail eaten by a filter.

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  57. Greylisting + RBL by Dion · · Score: 2, Informative

    You seem to have missed the "+ RBL part".

    Most spammers seem to hit a number of spamtraps with each zombie at some point, so using spamtrap driven RBLS in front of greylisting means that the RBLs will take care of the verified spammers.

    greylisting gives the spamtraps some extra time to get hit, so rather than do actual blocking itself it augments the RBLs.

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  58. Re:The solution by Eskarel · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The problem with this system, is that it's basically a really, really complicated form of blacklisting, and blacklisting sucks. It sucks because 99% of the time you blacklist the innocent along with the guilty.

    Say you've got a regional provider(ie a Chinese ISP), anyone in a given region can only connect to that ISP because there are no alternatives(this is most definitely the case). Now say that that ISP, as is often the case in certain parts of the world, doesn't give a rats about its clients sending SPAM, and is perfectly willing to certify them. Now by your system the ISP should lose its certification, which means that any legitimate users of the system also lose their certification, which means they can't send certified e-mail to anyone.

    This system is also expensive, not so much in bandwidth, but in human time. Verifying someone's identity and intentions is expensive and time consuming, even for an ISP, and for something like hotmail or gmail, which people use for perfectly legitimate reasons, it's be pretty much impossible.

    So in the end, what you have is an expensive system which is essentially a complicated form of blacklisting, which as I said, sucks.