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Neural "Extension Cord" Developed

moon_monkey writes "Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania have developed a 'neural extension cord' by growing neurons attached to a microchip. The cord is made by gradually moving two batches of neurons apart, as they naturally grow towards one another. This biological 'data cable' could then interface with the brain once implanted, the researchers say." From the article: "...in the long run, it may not be necessary to interface directly with nerves at all. 'In Europe most researchers in this field are using non-invasive EEG,' [an outside researcher] explains... 'The signals are weaker so more complex processing is needed, but not having to perform surgery on the nervous system has many advantages,' [he] says."

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  1. Interesting but... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is it compatible with Windows Vista's DRM requirements?

    1. Re:Interesting but... by kalleguld · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not if it runs Linux.

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    2. Re:Interesting but... by mastershake_phd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is it compatible with Windows Vista's DRM requirements?

      And is keeping a copy of portions of copyrighted material in your brain legal? I know mine is full of Simpsons material.

    3. Re:Interesting but... by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is it compatible with Windows Vista's DRM requirements?

      The roadmap has it slated for SP4; but I advise reading the EULA very carefully before installing.

      And beware the blue haze of death all in your brain.

      KFG

  2. Understatement of the year by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Funny

    not having to perform surgery on the nervous system has many advantages

    I nominate this guy for the Understatement of the Year award.

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    1. Re:Understatement of the year by Divide+By+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Frag that, chummer. I want my datajack, and I don't care how.

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    2. Re:Understatement of the year by Lazerf4rt · · Score: 5, Funny

      OK, all you need are 8 of these neural data links, interfaced to a twisted pair cable. Plug that into a 10-BASE-T hub, and think really really fast to implement the 802.3 protocol in your brain. As long as you can remember your MAC address, you're golden.

    3. Re:Understatement of the year by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've been wondering myself if neural plasticity would be enough to decode the protocols and codecs used on the net... A rat brain evidently managed to operate a flight simulator, so why couldn't a human brain learn TCP/IP?

      Plus, there was an article some time ago about electrodes on the tounge letting the blind see thanks to neural plasticity, so maybe it'd be enough for me to suck on a CAT-5? XD

      At any rate, it seems to me the difficult part will be getting data OUT from the brain rather than INTO the brain. Once we learn that trick properly things might get really interesting.

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  3. Power Strip by eviloverlordx · · Score: 3, Funny

    Extension cords are well and good, but what we really need is a neural power strip. You can never have too many of those.

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    1. Re:Power Strip by DBCubix · · Score: 2, Funny

      USB gadgets are cool and everything, but I am waiting for the neural gadgets to warm my coffee, light silly lights, and the neural-powered George Foreman grill would be cool too.

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    2. Re:Power Strip by xeromist · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, but for the typical slashdotter a neural powered grill might be a bad idea. Imagine the fire hazzard if they were hooked up when they read the latest DRM or MS article!!!

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  4. oh yeah... by macadamia_harold · · Score: 4, Funny

    The cord is made by gradually moving two batches of neurons apart, as they naturally grow towards one another. This biological 'data cable' could then interface with the brain once implanted, the researchers say.

    That way, in the future, people can have an almost lifelike experience watching Ow! My Balls!

    1. Re:oh yeah... by Gat0r30y · · Score: 2, Funny

      i'm much more interested in the experience of a female orgasm, personally. I'll bet your into unicorns and other mythical type things too man. Seriously, its a neural extension cord, it cant make imaginary things become real.

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  5. Finally... by End+Program · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Real" virtual p0rn!

    Come to Papa, Jenna.

  6. How about repairing spinal injuries? by nizo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know several people with severe spinal injuries that could potentially benefit from something like this. Heck using this to restore the use of amputated and reattached limbs/appendages springs to mind as well.

    1. Re:How about repairing spinal injuries? by Greyfox · · Score: 2, Funny

      How about attaching a THIRD arm somewhere? I often find I need more than two. Hell I want SIX arms like that Indian goddess Whazzername! Finally I'd be able to carry the groceries, scratch my nose, find my keys and smack the kids all at the same time! Awesome!

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  7. Yay Degree by unchiujar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Instant learning for classes. No I can finally finish college.
    I knew procrastinating worked...

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  8. Re:Sound like the beginning of tuning by umdstu · · Score: 2, Informative

    I never realized how many idiot comments people made on /. until today.

  9. Hey -- wait a minute... by wtansill · · Score: 3, Funny
    "...in the long run, it may not be necessary to interface directly with nerves at all. 'In Europe most researchers in this field are using non-invasive EEG,' [an outside researcher] explains... 'The signals are weaker so more complex processing is needed, but not having to perform surgery on the nervous system has many advantages,' [he] says."
    We at "Lobotomies 'R' Us" would beg to differ...
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  10. Implications by RyanFenton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sure - being able to read the impulses sent to muscles, immune systems, etc. will be great. Being able to interact with a truly naturally developed informational system can lead to a lot of obvious and non-obvious insights.

    What would be fascinating is if we were to discover interfaces that allow contents of memory or other brain contents to be read in this way. Of course, this is the start of a lot of sci-fi stories, few of which have a good ending - but if we were able to use such 'clean' techniques to read and store at least some of the contents of minds, I still think it would be a very good net change. Even if very few things are able to be read, and even then very slowly, it would open up many important insights - how massively multi-nerve systems communicate, how memories change in terms of pure data.

    On a personal level, it would be a really nice change to be able to leave behind a little undiluted, untranslated part of my memories and self in the world beyond genetics and teaching others, rather than just let it all rot or hope for a supernatural rescue. It's not the loss of the self that annoys me about our current idea of death, it's the total loss of information that we currently accept as part of the process. Even if it was just a database for others to query, I'd love for my raw memories to live beyond myself.

    Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:Implications by ClassMyAss · · Score: 3, Insightful
      What would be fascinating is if we were to discover interfaces that allow contents of memory or other brain contents to be read in this way.
      This would be incredibly tricky, as there is no data format to speak of that the brain uses - program and data are all bound together in one messy lump. The parallel is actually very close to that of neural networks in CS: suppose you trained a network to implement some complicated function that had some parameters hard coded into it, like (for instance) to generate a sine wave at a few particular frequencies within some range of input. How would you go about reading those parameters from the weight structure? Your only option is really to look at and interpret the output, since the network has not necessarily encapsulated away the sine function and stored the parameters separately (though it might have). Such is the problem with the brain, at least barring some incredible discovery in neuroscience that shows us that the brain does have a central data repository. Alas, to my understanding, the data storage literally happens along the very connections that perform the data processing, so I doubt that this is feasible.

      However, this is still a very interesting development, as neurons have proven to be quite adaptable, so one could (in theory) learn to recieve or transmit a data feed to an off-site storage location. What I see as more plausible is that one could in theory wean his/herself off of brain-based permanent memory and attempt to rely more and more on the external data feed. This is not as clean as a hard copy of the brain, but provided that the data path was sufficiently wide and the person was trained exceptionally well, could be a decent approximation, especially if you got skilled enough to subconsciously feed records of your thoughts and perceptions into your "backup." But I don't think it will be easy!

      Gotta wonder who's going to weasel the patent system into blocking further inquiry on this one, though!
    2. Re:Implications by David_Shultz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're reading into this technology much more than you should be -there's nothing there to even suggest that we can interface meaningfully with these new chips at all, let alone consciously using them as storage devices.

      If you're looking for something that will maintain information about yourself after your death, it's called a book and it's been around for awhile. Write a diary or a biography if you feel so inclined.

    3. Re:Implications by FireFury03 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The patterns in the meat of your brain do not have some kind of universal or raw format.

      You mean my brain doesn't use OOXML? But Microsoft told me.... :)

    4. Re:Implications by NMerriam · · Score: 3, Funny
      This would be incredibly tricky, as there is no data format to speak of that the brain uses - program and data are all bound together in one messy lump.


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  11. Re:Sound like the beginning of tuning by pluther · · Score: 4, Funny
    I never realized how many idiot comments people made on /. until today.

    You must be new here.

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  12. I saw a subtitle for the matrix once... by Jaqenn · · Score: 3, Funny

    I saw a subtitle for the matrix once for when Neo wakes up: "I'm lying naked in a vat of nutrients, with my bodily functions handled by tubes, connected to the internet by a fiber-optic cable wired directly into my brain...THIS IS LIKE A DREAM COME TRUE!!!"

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  13. Nice, but by hypermanng · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's all well and good to "biopatch" if you will, but machine-biological interfaces are really the holy grail. Machine engineering is far easier than biological engineering, more replaceable, more durable, and eventually more versatile. If your arm is amputated, we can either restore some basic functionality with a neural extension cord, or we can put a big fat processor connected to precise abiological sensors on it to provide all the proprioceptive and tactile data the original arm would have supplied. The only problem is presentation of that data to our biological brains. For that we'd still need some sort of electrode grid or something. Not an easy problem, but at least if it's solved once it's more or less solved for all time. Trying to regrow biological parts involves a gajillion types of tissue and membranes and so on in bewildering variety. Nature did not design us for easy reverse engineering.

    In any case, biopatching is great and tractible for reconnecting pieces that already fundamentally work, but for wholesale replacement at a high grade of function we still need that bridge.

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  14. Better than telecommuting! by Zeek40 · · Score: 2, Funny

    So does this mean I can finally just send my brain to work while I stay home without dieing? hmmm.... I'll need to grow hands from my brain too, so it can shut off the alarm clock on its way out.

    1. Re:Better than telecommuting! by corbettw · · Score: 2, Funny

      That would be the exact opposite of what a number of my coworkers do currently.

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  15. I am Monkeo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I know flung poo.

  16. Bring out the Squid. by dw604 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I want a neural power squid.

  17. Other possibilities? by anethema · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Would it be possible to use this or a similar technique to join breaks in the spinal cord? Maybe even for limited functionality if the 'bandwidth' of one of these cords isn't enough?

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  18. Re:sweet by steveo777 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Brain to brain networking would be cool to, maybe. Not if someone hacks into your brain and fills it with porn, penis enlargement, and second mortgage ads. Nothing worse than having to 'click-through' just to brush your teeth...
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  19. I worry about the Ghost in the Shell. by WarlockD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the things I like about the TV series is the depth and the questions they pose about the issues with this technology.

    Better question is if it can be stopped. The thing is that when you watch that series, you wonder about the safety rating of this technology. The first Window 95 computers were open to the world, internet wise, so will it be the same for the first 'cyber brain' installs? Will there be a point where you MUST have a retina mechanical replacement or atleast an optic nerve pass though just to read a book? Better yet, what about education? If all your books are DRM encrypted that is mandated to be bought from a school virtual book shop, used books, hell, books could just disappear. We talk about a lack of critical thinking NOW....

    Heck, it even creates the ultimate lower class. Those who not only can't afford to eat, but due to the lack of implants, even achieve a decent job. I mean, it becomes a decision to have your entire body mechanically replaced for a 5 year mining contract or living at the lowest end of the spectrum.

    Maybe I am over thinking this, but its psodo-mandatory that you have a state ID, why would some kind of implant.

    1. Re:I worry about the Ghost in the Shell. by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's a tradeoff between "planning ahead" and "planning ahead so far that your plans have no chance of applying to the reality". You're risking the latter. An increase in understanding how our body works and how to interface with it / repair it is a good thing. Let's wait until we actually have prototype cybernetic implants working before we worry about the government making them mandatory.

      People are too infatuated with the Frankenstein myth, the absurd belief that research is innately dangerous. Research is *essential*, and not something that we should be stopping just because someone can come up with some unlikely scenario in which new technology could cause problems.

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  20. Re:Non-invasive EEG? by David_Shultz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Can anyone explain non-invasive EEG versus (I guess) invasive EEG?

    They don't mean "non-invasive EEG", they mean "non-invasive", which means no surgery is requried. This happens to be an EEG helmet. The alternative, "invasive", involves of course the surgical implantation of some interfacing device.

    Briefly, non-invasive currently sucks. It's nice in that it can work by just wearing a helmet, but you can only (currently) reliably get one bit of information out of it (I vaguely remember hearing about someone getting two, not sure). non-invasive systems are also bulky and require a lot of preparation to use. Also, they require training to use the system and some people are incapable of using it.

    Invasive kind of sucks because you have to have your head opened up, but the results are quite impressive. They have trained a rat to mentally control a water dispensing robot, and they have gotten a monkey to control a robotic arm, for example. Read "the Body Electric" by James Geary. Obviously it's harder to get testing on humans for invasive technologies off the ground.

  21. Re:Neural Rape! by powerpants · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you couldn't handle their classes, what makes you think you could overpower them mentally? You might just be setting yourself up for... whatever-the-fook-we're-talking-about.