ASP.NET Ajax Released

darrenkopp writes "Microsoft released their anticipated AJAX framework that integrates with their ASP.NET product .It is a fully supported product (24x7 phone support), but is completely free! They are releasing the source for it as well."

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I had been following this..

[RuBLed]

It is a great tool in my opinion and easy to integrate with existing ASP.Net applications.

But What I really like about Microsoft Ajax for .Net 2.0 was the Ajax Control Toolkit (separately available w/ source)

http://www.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.as px?ProjectName=AtlasControlToolkit

Re:I had been following this..

[GeckoX]

Yeah, that's a really good use of AJAX isn't it. Sheesh.

This is why AJAX gets a bad name. I used Atlas before it evolved into this. And that was the problem there too. Look! It's ALL AJAX! All the time! The amount of overhead with this stuff is insane. They're just using the AJAX hook to sell people on a bunch of bloated controls. That is a fact. When you need AJAX, it's VERY easy to do. There is absolutely NO need whatsoever for a 3rd party toolset or components to do this, and enabling every last control you use with AJAX is just stupid.

This isn't AJAX, it's an abomination.

Oh and btw, if that's the nicest calendar you've seen out there...here's a hint: There are literally THOUSANDS of calendar controls out there. And that is certainly nothing new. (And again, absolutely NOTHING that needed AJAX to implement whatsoever.)

Re:Too many layers!

[SurturZ]

It's like parfait. Who doesn't like parfait?

Re:dont bash it before you tried it

[mollymoo]

I cant believe it, 99% of the comments are negative

Oh come on, stop exaggerating. At the time of writing, there are a total of 14 comments in this story. I can't find the 1/7th of one comment which you claim was not negative.

Re:Too many layers!

[nacturation]

The server side isn't much better. We have an ASP.NET application running on .NET. .NET is running on the userland Windows subsystems. These subsystems are running on the NT kernel. The NT kernel is then running on hardware. It gets worse. That hardware is running on electricity. Electricity is running often on fossil fuels. Those fossil fuels are running on dinosaurs. Those dinosaurs run on other dinosaurs and vegetation. The vegetation runs on nutrients and photosynthesis. Photosynthesis runs on solar energy. Solar energy is powered by the Sun.

And I'm not sure what Sun had to do with the .NET framework.

Re:Wow, that's amazing...

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Re:Source?

[blowdart]

The "source available" (notice how carefully I worded that to avoid your assumption that it should be "open source" using your/RMS's definition) is mentioned on Scott Guthrie's blog

In addition to shipping the source code for the ASP.NET AJAX Control Toolkit controls, we are also releasing all of the source code for the fully supported ASP.NET AJAX 1.0 release. Specifically:

We are releasing the client-side ASP.NET AJAX JavaScript library (which we also call the "Microsoft AJAX Library") under the Microsoft Permissive License (Ms-PL). This grants developers the right to freely customize/modify the library, as well as to redistribute the derivative versions of the JavaScript library for both commercial and non-commercial purposes.

To help with debugging and development, we are also releasing all of the source code for the server-side ASP.NET AJAX 1.0 implementation (including the UpdatePanel, UpdateProgress, ScriptManager, and Network Serialization code) under the Microsoft Reference License (Ms-RL).

Being granted "the right to freely customize/modify the library, as well as to redistribute the derivative versions of the JavaScript library for both commercial and non-commercial purposes" is pretty "open", despite not being released under the GPL. Heck it's almost a BSD license. It's certainly the least restrictive of the MS source licenses, they just haven't submitted it to the OSI for approval (and really, can you blame them?). It was written with the OSD in mind.

Been Playing With It

[WED Fan]

I've been playing with this since this last summer. It's come a long way. A few Anti-AJAX friends of mine, who honestly, have been using AJAX concepts for years, but didn't know someone had put a pretty ribbon on it and called it AJAX, really like the ASP.NET AJAX. I think what caught them was the RAD ability now.

I like it because I have customers who wanted a more Windows Forms based design for their web-based applications.

The great thing here is, it is capable of turning SharePoint into a really slick platform. I only wish it worked on SharePoint 2.0 the way it works on 3.0, since I still have customers using the older platform.

You can't have it both ways...

[WED Fan]

TinFoilJones said:

Doesn't matter. I'm not eating it, and neither are the users of any site I have a hand in developing.

Huh? Did he just...? Are the Obvious Police available?

Come on, guys - how many times you have to be bitten by these monopolists to realize that they can't be trusted? Or put another way, we (developers) write the rules now, and we don't have to let them in! Or as James T. Kirk said: "Let them die!"

Are you seriously calling them "monopolists"? How can they be a monopolist in the online, web development arena when folks out there claim that most of the web is dominated by SOTMS (Someone Other Than Microsoft)? You can't have it both ways. They cannot be monopolists if there is a sizeable or even more dominant alernative out there. Now, their philosphy may smack of monopoly, but in reality, they are just another competitor.

OS - Microsoft is a monopoly and Linux, Apple, Sun have failed, or MS is a competitor and Linux, Apple, Sun are doing fine.

Web - Microsoft .NET and IIS are a monopoly and Linux, Apache, Java, Perl, PHP...are dead, or MS is a competitor and others are dominating.

You can't have it both ways. Just admit, you've joined the "in", the "cool", the "hip" crowd of the Anti-Microsoft cult, you've stopped critical thought on the matter, and if it has MS attached, you will instantly hate it. It's o.k. to admit. Really.