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ASP.NET Ajax Released
darrenkopp writes "Microsoft released their anticipated AJAX framework that integrates with their ASP.NET product .It is a fully supported product (24x7 phone support), but is completely free! They are releasing the source for it as well."
The word "source" doesn't even appear on the frontpage of that, nor on the "learn more" page. The Download page says the toolkit is shared-source but none of the other stuff mentions the source. Docs don't mention source at all.
Looking at the terms of use page, this is hardly a free license, and it's certainly not opensource unless they've really managed to bury it within the site somewhere.
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It is a great tool in my opinion and easy to integrate with existing ASP.Net applications.
.Net 2.0 was the Ajax Control Toolkit (separately available w/ source)
s px?ProjectName=AtlasControlToolkit
But What I really like about Microsoft Ajax for
http://www.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.a
Say what you will about it, but it works really well. It's a fast easy way to develop AJAX pages: Visual Studio with Atlas. Of course, it's how Lord Vader would develop software, but it's still good stuff.
It's like parfait. Who doesn't like parfait?
So, are they specifically targeting IE and Firefox (at least we're finally past the days when they'd just target IE and say to hell with the rest of the world) or are they building it on commonly-available JS+DOM functions that will work in Opera and Safari as well?
I've been poking around the site, and haven't found anything yet.
Oh come on, stop exaggerating. At the time of writing, there are a total of 14 comments in this story. I can't find the 1/7th of one comment which you claim was not negative.
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Maybe for those businesses whose core is making an AJAX framework for ASP.NET (are there any such businesses out there?). Those focused on other languages/platforms (PHP, Ruby on Rails, etc) should have no problem competing with this since their target audience probably isn't going to switch from Ruby to C#.
Besides, it's not like this just came out of the blue. The Atlas framework (the in-progress codename for this v1.0 release) has been available for nearly two years in various different preview forms (Microsoft likes to release "Community Technical Previews" (CTPs) rather than "Betas" of bits like this). If your core business is building an AJAX framework for ASP.NET and you didn't see this coming, you have bigger problems than Microsoft trying to enter your market.
And I'm not sure what Sun had to do with the
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Are they eating their own dogfood?
Part of the reason I ask is I notice the MSDN site has a whole lot of new features, but I've found most of it to be horribly slow and clunky in firefox. I'm interested in whether it is using this, and whether there are other examples to look at within Microsoft?
Some of the "showcases" look decent, but most of them just seem like toy sites...
yeah, the source for a lot of the community controls can be viewed and all. The Extenders are incredibly easy to make, because its most of the point (ASP.NET Ajax's name is misleading, as its main appeal is to be able to make reusable client-side code blocks, ajax is second in line, so I prefered when it was called Atlas...oh well!)
Yes, it is very easy to implement, even with custom controls. The JSON stuff that you mentioned is built around the .NET postback process and not tied to any individual controls. So any control that posts back to the server (like a series of buttons with a server-side click event) can easily be converted to an "AJAX" control simply by dropping a ScriptManager on the page and wrapping the control in an UpdatePanel.
Hell is other people's code.
It also gives the developers less of an idea what's really going on. And it gives them less control. If the only way the developers know how to use AJAX is with the MS toolkit, then they're going to have a hard time when it doesn't support something they want to do. Same thing with the way the forms designer works. Sure it makes it really easy that you can drag and drop controls and make a web application really fast, but when you want to do something that it doesn't support, then you're screwed, and if you ever want to switch platforms, then good luck. Tying your development too much to one solution tends to really limit the things you can do.
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I've been playing with this since this last summer. It's come a long way. A few Anti-AJAX friends of mine, who honestly, have been using AJAX concepts for years, but didn't know someone had put a pretty ribbon on it and called it AJAX, really like the ASP.NET AJAX. I think what caught them was the RAD ability now.
I like it because I have customers who wanted a more Windows Forms based design for their web-based applications.
The great thing here is, it is capable of turning SharePoint into a really slick platform. I only wish it worked on SharePoint 2.0 the way it works on 3.0, since I still have customers using the older platform.
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That's Al Gore's next target. He's afraid the Earth, and most notably, the U.S. is using too much Sun. Apparently, we are using so much Sun that it is causing it to overheat. This is causing not only the Earth to heat up, but Mars as well.
Scientists around the world were quick to support Gore's statements, "While we are still working on his claims that we are overusing the Sun, and we can't be sure that aliens aren't manipulating its coronasphere, we recommend a complete halt to Sun usage, just to be safe. After all, what would it hurt?" The Scientists around the world are funded by the non-partisan "Special Interest Lobby Who Believe America and Capitalism Are Ruining the World and Besides We Just Want Everybody to Be Communist" (SILWBACARWBWJWEBC) and are involved with the equally non-partisan "Study to Prove We Are Using Too Much Sun and America is to Blame Because They Use More Than Anyone and Even Save It for Daylight Savings Time" (SPWAUTMSABBTUMTAESIDST).
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong fix.
Can't say much about ajax, but care to support your second statement? Who coded them? Were they coded by a real developer, or by somebody who doesn't know how to use the language?
Any language is prone to failure if the programmer doesn't know how to code properly.
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Huh? Did he just...? Are the Obvious Police available?
Are you seriously calling them "monopolists"? How can they be a monopolist in the online, web development arena when folks out there claim that most of the web is dominated by SOTMS (Someone Other Than Microsoft)? You can't have it both ways. They cannot be monopolists if there is a sizeable or even more dominant alernative out there. Now, their philosphy may smack of monopoly, but in reality, they are just another competitor.
OS - Microsoft is a monopoly and Linux, Apple, Sun have failed, or MS is a competitor and Linux, Apple, Sun are doing fine.
Web - Microsoft .NET and IIS are a monopoly and Linux, Apache, Java, Perl, PHP...are dead, or MS is a competitor and others are dominating.
You can't have it both ways. Just admit, you've joined the "in", the "cool", the "hip" crowd of the Anti-Microsoft cult, you've stopped critical thought on the matter, and if it has MS attached, you will instantly hate it. It's o.k. to admit. Really.
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong fix.
From their Migrate RC to RTM doc.
The ASP.NET AJAX validator controls that were part of the RC release have been removed. You must remove the following registration entries for those controls from the section and remove any instances of these controls in your pages.
Oh goodie, let me just go back and do that and undo my previous days work. Apparently there will be a fix in the near future, but for now there's a bandaid available.
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I didn't say it was tied to IE, I know they are supporting other browsers, and are supporting Mac OS. If you re-read my post, I said it was tied to .NET, which is the server part of which you speak.