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Lack of Innovation in IT Holding Companies Back?

bednarz writes to mention that Google's Dave Girouard, manager of enterprise business, is blaming a "crisis" in IT and the "insane complexity" of technology, among other things, for the lack of innovation that could allow businesses to grow. "A lot of things that people think of as core IT functions need to disappear into the ether so that the IT organization can properly focus on the value-added [activities]," he said. "Information security, as critical as it is, needs to be taken care of by organizations who live and die by it, who invest the money, time, resources and staff. Why should every company in the world have to build up their own expertise and have to maintain servers and provide security?"

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  1. Executive Summary by Lord+Grey · · Score: 4, Informative
    Article breakdown:

    30%: IT spends too much maintaining complex systems and not innovating new ones. Farm out the maintenance.

    5%: Adding eye candy, bells and whistles to software makes it more complex and therefore more difficult to maintain.

    65%: Google Apps should be used by everyone.

    See any serious problems with this story? Sure! "Lack of content" springs to mind.

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    1. Re:Executive Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Summary of the summary:

      Google Executive says, "You should use our products."

    2. Re:Executive Summary by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or lack of any business sense as well..

      Let's see farm out the security and core operation of the company's IT infrastructure to another company. Will you give them key's to the building and the combination to your safes as well? Because they will have access to all your plans, documents, and other information that is secret to your company... These managers never pull their heads out of their ass far enough to see that until you spell it out for them. We had to do that at Comcast once. They wanted to have a 3rd party company take over some critical security, Executives were unwavering until they were told point blank, "do you trust this company with your private info and the contents of your laptop? Under Sarbanes oxley, if they screw up it's YOUR HEAD that rolls not theirs..."

      IT is a cost of doing business, just like sales and marketing, why the suits want to farm out everything they do not understand themselves is never understood by those that actually do the work. They never farm out SALES or management to a 3rd party, IT is as critical to the business as sales and management.

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    3. Re:Executive Summary by pipatron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Will you give them key's to the building and the combination to your safes as well?

      You already give your keys and access codes to your "physical" security company.

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  2. My god... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ---"A lot of things that people think of as core IT functions need to disappear into the ether so that the IT organization can properly focus on the value-added [activities]," he said. "Information security, as critical as it is, needs to be taken care of by organizations who live and die by it, who invest the money, time, resources and staff. Why should every company in the world have to build up their own expertise and have to maintain servers and provide security?"

    It comes down to ownership and renting..

    Would you rather own your home, or rent it? Would you rather rent a car or own it?

    Thats right, we can pay Google Apps to take care of our network architecture because we cant be bothered with it... Until they perceive a "non-payment".. What happens then when the lights go out? Do the DNS servers stop working, do the samba servers get rm'ed? Or does the master-password holders (READ google) just shut down every network appliance you all are using?

    Not smart. Not smart at all...

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    1. Re:My god... by Moridin42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And the reason that stocks earn, on average, more than real estate is because stocks do nothing but generate interest. That is their only value.

      Real estate, on the other hand, provides you with a place to build a home. or a business. Or.... and this will be shocking, I know, some apartments with which you can then allow people to rent from you. At which point you'd get to earn not only the 6% real estate but whatever interest your netprofits on the rent earn you.

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    2. Re:My god... by vertinox · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Would you rather own your home, or rent it? Would you rather rent a car or own it?

      Those are bad analogies because that is apples and oranges comparisons.
      By default if given the choice you should own a home (even though the bank still owns it for the next 30 years) because house prices increase whereas you car price decreases.

      This is what makes leasing attractive to some, but that is almost the same as owning.

      By what you really mean would be would you rather take public transportation to work or own your own car to work.

      The traveling to work is not the end result of your actually work and not even an actual process of it other than getting your feet to it. Given the choice of maintainece you most likely can't fix your own car anyways so if it breaks you have to hand it off to a 3rd party.

      If public transportation breaks, you'll see a delay but you won't actually have to pay for it directly and chances are they will route a new bus to your pickup.

      But you can't add your own custom products to the public system and you can't make it go to exact places at any given time like your normal car. So both have their benefits and detractors.

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  3. Shocking! by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A company buys enormous data centers, the kind one might use to farm out a business' IT infrastructure needs, and then that company promotes... farming out business' IT infrastructure needs! Whaaa?!

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  4. Google doesn't have the answer. by duffbeer703 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Try signing up for Google Checkout to sell things on Google Base... It's a disconnected nightmare process.

    Google does search & email well. The rest... right up there with everyone else.

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  5. The problem is in your definition of IT by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IT organization can properly focus on the value-added [activities]

    Yeah, I could see your point - if you define the function of IT that way. Most people out there though, don't. They see IT as the tech problem-solvers in the business. Fix that computer, hook me to such-and-such across VPN, get rid of my spyware.

    If you want to have a group of guys doing value added activities, hire some engineers or more IT staff and define their job responsibilities that way. And once you do, don't bug them with other stuff. If they're supposed to be idea guys, let them do that and that only. Don't interrupt them with your secretary's spyware problem.

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  6. Another side effect of the Iraq war by wiredog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Federal Government, which pays for most of the innovation in the US (directly through r&d contracts, or indirectly through grants) has cut back on its tech spending to free up money for the war.

  7. Lack of innovation? by Volante3192 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    More like 'lack of budget.'

    How can we address 'lack of expanding?' Whenever someone trots out a Vista post we're reminded there's still businesses out there running on a Win 2000 network because 'it just works' and isn't getting replaced.

    I'm sure the poor compitent sysadmin of that 2K network has plenty of ideas how to innovate their network, but they can't requisition the funds for it. Then there's training, dealing with the migration... Sure, it can happen, but no one outside IT sees the advantage in it.

  8. Re:Watch 'em "improve" the situation! by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now compare that to the major problems in most everyday corperations...
    Note if your company looses all its email data it will not make the news unless you are hosting for people outside your company.

    This stuff really happends far more frequently with self run IT shops. Google is a lot better then the average. They are not perfect but better then most.

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  9. Re:The simple shocking ugly truth by MountainLogic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Another major problem in Not Invented Here (NIH). Why does every organization seem to feel the need to invent their own solutions to standard problems? Why does every small shop seem to write their own inventory or accounting program? The needs are not that different from the "standard" solutions. Some places have seen a good acceptance of standard products, such as work processors and spreadsheet - imagine telling your company CFO that you don't like how Excel/OO-Calc works and you want to create a custom spreadsheet just for you company. Sure, most businesses can make good use of a few custom macros, but a custom spreadsheet for the MBAs? All of the outsourcing brouhaha a few years ago was the first step in this process: 1) Create innovative custom software, 2) other companies make simular programs, 3) outsource net revisions - creating a specialized knowledge base about that type of program, and soon, 4) somebody creates a standard product, 5) profit!
    Really, office desktops should be more like the N64 A ROM cartridge with all of your apps that only get the new generation every 5 years. And the server side is even less interesting.

  10. Control, Flexability, and Lack of Dependencies by asv108 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Control, is why most mid->large companies have a sizable in-house IT infrastructure. Farming out IT to companies like Google, may save money, but it reduces flexibility. It also creates a situation where you completely dependent on a another party. Whats your exit strategy?

    A Google exec telling companies to outsource IT, is like a Microsoft exec telling companies to use Windows.

    Given Google's recent missteps; In a few years, suggesting we outsource core IT functions to Google might be as laughable as suggesting we outsource core IT functions to Microsoft.

  11. Insane Complexity? by eno2001 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The way I see it is that you have trade offs. You can make things "simple" like Microsoft does by having software that makes assumptions about what you want to do. If you have minimal and non-specific needs, then you won't have much of an issue. You'll also be able to get away with less skilled workers to accomplish your basic goals. But if you want to do something very specialized and the assumptions don't support it, then that approach will get in your way. And your less skilled workers will become a detriment if you need to move to something a bit more complex.

    On the other side of the coin you have other OSes (*nix OpenVMS and others) that have a good deal more flexibility in terms of allowing you to do virtually anything. But this will require more skill in your workforce and natually more complexity. There is not currently a way to have less complexity and a high degree of flexibility and power. There just isn't. Even Microsoft is learning that lesson as they add PowerShell (previously Monad) to Exchange 2007. They've finally seen the light that what you really want is a set of powerful and small tools that do one job well (the CLI) and then you layer your "ease of use" on top of that. So I expect that future MS products will probably earn the gripe of being "complicated" by less skilled people who entered the IT industry in the 90s as paper MCSEs.

    There's no way around it. Computers ARE complex machines and they become even more complex when you want to do something really unique and innovative. This is why there is no equivalent of Exchange on the Mac OS Server platform. Zimbra is about the closest thing and it's not exactly friendly. But if you're a real IT guy, that's not a problem.

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  12. New Executive Summary by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He's right about the problems.

    It's not clear Google is the answer.

    He doesn't explain how THEY deal with complexity except by throwing money and servers and data centers at it - which is pretty much how everyone else deals with it (and which is self-defeating eventually).

    Self-defeating - almost a definition of the human condition.

    Take IT in small business - or don't. Don't even get me started. I'm constantly getting clients who complain to me how long it takes for me to solve their problems. While I don't say it directly, the real issue is that EVERY small business using computers has done it wrong from day one. If they hadn't screwed up from the beginning, they wouldn't need to call me to straighten out their mess.

    I doubt there is ONE small or medium business that hasn't screwed up. They bought the wrong machines, they bought the wrong OS, they bought the wrong application software, they bought the wrong networking hardware, they set up everything wrong, they didn't plan anything, they didn't ask anyone how to do it, they don't train, they don't back up, they don't maintain anything, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

    Then they wonder why it takes a tech two days to do something as apparently simple as rebuild a PC.

    It's because they are SO fucked up NOBODY could have done it faster.

    NO human can take responsibility for their actions.

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  13. Outsourcing does not lead to innovation by michaelmalak · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The premise of the Google exec was that companies could save money by outsourcing servers, e-mail, security, etc., thereby freeing up IT budget for innovation. This is wrong because:
    • Servers, e-mail, security, and whatever else "Google Apps" offers now or in the forseeable future is a small portion of any company that has any kind of serious IT going on. Most companies have a lot of custom apps, or at least highly-customized "off-the-shelf" solutions. I don't see Google offering a solution to reduce costs in that area.
    • Any cost savings from outsourcing will not translate into increased corporate R&D. The PHBs and bean-counters will just give themselves raises.
    • The PHB raises are not just because of greed, but because "forward-looking" on today's Wall Street means the next quarter -- thus no R&D.
    • The biggest barrier to innovation is corporate culture. The Google exec even touts that as a benefit within Google, but fails to mention it as a barrier in companies other than Google. I still remember the first time many years ago that I made what I thought was an innovative suggestion within a Fortune 500 company, and then hearing the response, "that's nice to have," and feeling flattered. Only a few minutes later I came to realize that in corporate-speak "nice to have" really means "not nice to have" because "nice to have" is meant to mean "it's nice to have but not needed to have, so we won't be doing that".
    • Sarbanes Oxley. Nothing much else happens in the IT departments of publicly traded companies these days except for SOX compliance.
    • Innovation is easier when everything's in house. Having servers, e-mail, security, etc. outsourced creates barriers to deep integration and high degrees of customization.
    Despite the wrongness of the Google exec's assertion, it will be well received by PHBs because they'll get to cut costs while simultaneously pretending to be in favor of innovation.
  14. Re:A pretty dumb executive by j-pimp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, let's follow this guy's logic.

    Why should every company have an HR department? Why should every company have a payroll department? Why should every company have to maintain an accounting department? Why should every company have to maintain upper management? Why should every company need people to work in them, or janitorial staff, or mail rooms, or anything?

    Lets start with payroll. You can, and probably should hire someone else to do that. A company like PayChex wiill figure all that out. All you need is a bookkeeper to compile everyones time sheets and record time off. Payroll companies figure out the tax withholdings. As far as all the other administrative functions of HR like benifits, seek out a company like http://www.alcottgroup.com/. My last job used them and as a result were able to offer multiple health care plans, multiple credit union memberships, and the oddball benifits of cruise discounts and cheap gym memberships that one expects from a large company. Yet they had only 100 employees.

    Now lets look at janitorial staff. The only job I ever had without an outside cleaning staff was in a factory with a large supply of low paid unskilled employees. Generally a part time handyman on payroll will handle the odd jobs and a cleaning company empties the trash cans and vacuums each night.

    As far as accounting, in a large company you need a CFO and the full hierachry of accounting people. In a smaller company you need a book keeper or two, and the owner can be the comptroller. Hire an outside accounting firm to act as your CFO.

    The point of your company is to do something that other people need or want. You then get them to gtive you money in exchange for fufilling these wants and needs. Accountants and janitors are means to an end unless you're a CPA or a cleaninhg service.

    All that being said, it might be advantageous to insource some things. For example if your dealing with complex cash flows and large amounts of money, you probably need an accounting department. If you have alot of office and plant space, you might benifit from internal facilities people. If your a very web centric business you might want inhouse IT, development or both. Quite frankly, that is becoming less and less of an issue.

    so executives no longer have to be tied to the office: they can just make three decisions per day, then head off to play golf.

    If there in sales I sure hope their playing golf with clients. If you can get your business down to three decisions a day, that great. Start another business, create more jobs.

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  15. Re:Why "the suits" like to farm out IT. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nick,
    You make a great point, but I think it's more systemic than that. It comes from this post-90's view that all a company needs to do to boost its stock price is to close a few locations and fire 15% of their employees. Call it "Profit by the Thousand Cuts".

    So IT directors are just taking their cues from the CEOs (because many of them want desperately to become CEO) and measure their job by how far they can cut costs. Forget about how miserable your internal customers are. Just the fact that the people who work in your company are now considered "internal customers" show that they are considered fodder, not humans. When you decide that with enough properly written protocols you can hire total morons and still get the job done, it's only a matter of time. You are finished.

    There was a fascinating story last night on The Marketplace on NPR. It was about the fact that the steady growth in productivity we've seen in this country since, well, since the beginning is finally beginning to slow down. It means that we may have reached the limit of what you can expect out of workers, regardless of the income-level. We've squeezed workers to the point that marriages are failing, children are ignored and people have to be miserable if they want to pay their bills. Workers are made "management" so they can't get paid for overtime. The wonderful 7am "working breakfast" meetings become common. A CEO's effectiveness is measured by how many people he can lay off.

    I had an uncle, an Italian immigrant, who measured the success of his business by how many people he employed, not how few.

    Expect to see a renewed interest in collective bargaining in the coming decade. People are tired of being used. Squeezed. Being asked to give more while getting less. If the US is going to keep from becoming a third world country, we better realize that our people are our most important resource. The people who work downstairs, not the CEOs in the suite pulling down 9-figure incomes, who get 7-figure bonuses for closing factories.

    Seriously, I pray we start to turn this around before blood has to be spilled over the division between The Rich and The Rest.

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