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The Best Graphing Calculator on the Market?
aaronbeekay asks: "I'm a sophomore in high school taking an honors chem course. I'm being forced to buy something handheld for a calculator (I've been using Qalculate! and GraphMonkey on my Thinkpad until now). I see people all around me with TIs and think 'there could be something so much better'. The low-res, monochrome display just isn't appealing to me for $100-150, and I'd like for it to last through college. Is there something I can use close to the same price range with better screen, more usable, and more powerful? Which high-tech calculators do you guys use?"
Even though the hardware might not be state of the art, its still the best: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ti_89
I use a TI89. It's about as good as you're going to get without it not being allowed on tests, etc.
HP is the only option. Sure, no one will no what you are doing (especially if you use RPN), but that means no one can borrow it, either. Oh, and if you use RPN you'll probably be a lot quicker than most of your classmates, too.
I have an HP-48GX and it served me well through high school and four years of engineering school.
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I loved my hp 48gx... you could use it as a remote control or to chat via IR a long time ago before phone SMS existed. It also has a lot of advanced features, and games if you can get used to RPN. I'm sure HP has a nicer version these days.
I just made it through single variable calculus and chemistry using an old TI-82 and a TI-86, which I had from high school ten years ago. Both were more then adequate for calc & chemistry, and you can get them for $10 / $30 respectively on ebay. They had most of the same functions as newer TI's, and served me well.
My only difficulty was an occasion scramble to find where some higher level functions were, as the rest of the class had newer calcs and they couldn't help me out.
Just do yourself a favor, get an older calc (with an instruction book), and spend the rest of the cash on ice cream.
No, it's not "high tech", by today's standards. Yes, it's low-res and monochrome. But you know what? It's the best damned calculator there is (well if you want to get a GX/GX+ or whatever for more memory that's fine too, though frankly not terribly necessary for most applications). It's got a steep learning curve (RPN and all that), but once you get over it you'll have the quickest and most useful device there is. It's built well (I've used mine for 12 years and it's doing just fine), feels good, and does the job right.
This is one realm where you want a tool, not a toy - if you want something flashy and shiny with a nice screen and pleasing UI, save your pennies for an iPhone or something. If you want something that does math, and does it damn well, buy an HP calculator.
PS - I guess this doesn't quite fit your answer as according to Wikipedia they stopped making them back in 2003, so it's not really "on the market" any more. They are currently selling HP-49 series, which is still better than TIs but just isn't built like the 48Gs (the tactile feel of the keys really does matter on a device where punching numbers is the main use). Still, I'm guessing that 30 seconds with eBay and you'll find 48G's...
Creative Creek seems to have a nice set for various PDAs.
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The TI-89 is *mediocre* with drawing graphs, as you indicated. However, if you are going to study more science, it can do symbolic manipulation that you might only expect in a program like Maple or mathematica. If you are feeling dimwitted and can't work out an integral or maybe if you can't figure out if a particular algebraic equation has a solution then you can ask this device. It has more advanced features that I haven't used but if you tinker with it you'll get alot of use out of it. Also, as far as the graph drawing goes, I think they have a TI-92 that does better with those.
The higher level graphing calculators are REALLY nice, and are sometimes a boon in the private sector, when you have to do some really fancy math. However, they are completely impractical for school. In high school, you NEED a Ti-83. A laptop is too powerful, and they aren't going to allow you to bring it with you for a test.
But I am a recent University graduate. I think I had something like 1 or 2 classes that allowed me to bring a Ti-83 into the test with me. Most of my math based classes specifically disallowed graphing calculators for obvious reasons. They are just too powerful, and make cheating very very easy. I had to buy a $10 scientific calculator for University.
So my advice? Don't buy the best calculator on the market. It will just collect dust, and you will be angry for having spent triple what a TI-83 would cost, and get far less use.
But if you really do want a good calculator, then I might suggest a TI-92. My math teacher in high school had one, and they were so very very sexy. The big difference between a TI92 and a TI-83 in my books is that a TI-92 does integrals. Which is mighty handy. It even does Vectors.
Not sure why everyone's pimping the 48/GX. The 50G is actually the first good calculator from HP in a long time. The screen is sharp, the keys are good, it's fast, and takes SD cards. But if you aren't up for learning RPN, just buckle down and get a TI.
I too used an HP48GX in high school and college, but I don't think HP sells them any more. A quick check on amazon and google shows used ones $250 and up (one listed for $500 on Amazon). The much maligned (IIRC) 49G+ is listed for about $110, again, used. You're absolutely right that no one can borrow it. The easiest way to teach people was basically tell them to press the single quote ('), type in the equation, and press "eval". /me goes on the DMV website to see if RPN4EVA is taken ;)
Although, I'm a little partial being a developer for TI and working on the next generation of calculators, I would have to say the TI nspire is the next big thing. It should be out next quarter. More to come.... http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/n onProductMulti/nspire_cas.html
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Our teachers wouldn't let us use anything more powerful than a TI-86 because otherwise it had a lot of it programmed in, they also made us wipe them before each test. Those other calculators might not be allowed or may not help you if you have to wipe it each time, so find out if you have restrictions. We were limited to Casio and TI because they knew how to wipe those. If there's no restrictions, go for an HP or a TI-89. While the 89 may be monochrome, it's powerful and useful all the way through college and into the workforce. If there are restrictions, I suggest an 84-silver. It's quicker than an 83, has more memory, and teachers don't tend to care if you're using one. I used mine through college.
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But the TX does everything. It's got a SD slot, so you can carry around full length movies, a million MP3's...
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I have a TI-85 that is going on 10 years old. It got me through an undergraduate engineering program and is now serving me well in grad school. I wouldn't be surprised if you could get a calculator program for a PDA or something but IMHO that wouldn't be nearly as good as a dedicated graphing calculator. And if the price of a new one is prohibitive I'm sure you could find a used TI-85 or 86 for a decent price on ebay.
The benefits of a graphing calculator over any other option I can think of are numerous.
Everyone else has them, so if you are stuck on entering something it is easy to get help. Plus you can share programs.
They are extremely sturdy: My TI has been dropped more times than I can count and it lives in my bookbag, jammed in unceremoniously among pencils and pens, notepads and all other kinds of dirt and crud. Try doing that with a PDA and see how long it lasts.
It is a dedicated math computer; All the buttons and programs are specifically dedicated to math and science. A PDA for example would be a pain because you would constantly have to be working through a device that was not intended specifically for math functions.
Graphing calculators are allowed for virtually all testing that allows calculators in the US. Some other device, especially one that can communicate like a PDA would very likely be banned.
In the end as someone that has been working in academia for over 7 years now I can tell you that if you are serious about a portable device specifically for math and science use the only real option is a graphing calculator. Most people I know have TI's, but as others have mentioned HP is another option. If cost is a factor look for a used one, but keep in mind this a device that could serve you for well over 10 years, from that standpoint $100 bucks is a small investment. If what you need is something for more hardcore math you will obviously have to go with a program like Matlab. But that is a somewhat different application.
As someone who taught a couple freshman level college math courses I would recommend a Ti-86 or I-89.
TI 92's you won't be allowed to use on most exams.
Most professors will also not let you use a PDA on an exam. Especially given that you can check your e-mail and IM your friends with it.
There's an excellent open-source MATLAB clone called Octave. I've used it for a lot of real-world physics work in my lab. Worth checking out before you shell out for MATLAB.
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I love my HP48GX. and once you grok RPN, there truly is no going back. so much easier for huge long formula calculations
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You obviously aren't familiar with the AP tests. No PDAs allowed, only graphing calculators.
.866, but the TI-89 can also give you rad(3)/2. It also has standard stuff like constants, unit conversions, and ability to write your own programs which may or may not be useful to you. On the whole it's very useful and I can't think of anything more that I would want from my graphing calculator. These days they have some silver/platinum crap which draws graphs faster and has more memory for programs; I'd go with that.
Personally, I think the TI-89 is the best graphing calculator you can get. It's got very helpful algebraic functions that solve equations, factor polynomials, etc. It even does indefinite integration and differentiation of functions (very useful for checking your work when you take calculus, the TI-83 does no such thing). Everything looks nice and shows up just like you would write the algebra, so data entry is much easier. Previous calculations are stored in memory and you can just scroll up and select an answer or the calculation, and it will show up in the entry line. Very useful for complex calculations. It has the capability to display exact values, ie for cos(30) most calculators will give you
To be honest, you only really need a calculator until you leave high school. Getting anything fancier than a TI-89 is a waste of money. In college, a simple scientific calculator will suffice for lower division classes. If you go into engineering you will be doing serious math by hand and serious calculations by computer (MATLAB or FORTRAN). No more "graphing" in the sense of the primitive capabilities of graphing calculators. Once you've learned about all the things they can do, you move onto more complex functions and calculations, more complex data sets, and you just don't need to use a calculator to figure out what y = x^2 looks like. I imagine science and mathematics is the same, except maybe with Maple or something.
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I would second a TI-89, if your teacher allows you to use it on exams. I had one for calc in high school, used it on the AP test and all my calc exams, and it makes things much easier. It is almost cheating, though, since it does symbolic differetiation/integration. Now that I'm in college, the professors won't let us use an 89 on the tests, but it's still nice when you want to check your answers for homework.
I don't even remember when I bought my TI-85. I don't recall if it was in college or high-school. I think it was college. That being the case, I did just fine with a TI-85 all through college in all of my Math and Computer Science Classes. I was never one to rely on the tool too much. :)
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if i remember correctly its got something to do with a) having a full keyboard and b) having IR which would allow you to communicate with someone else
its been a while since i took an AP/SAT test though.
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Absolutely the best calculator made for serious engineering/math/science studies.
I would agree, except for the fact that mine kept locking up at inopportune moments (like during exams when I was an undergrad), forcing me to to complete system resets and lose all my data and programs. Plus it is quite slow. However, I loved RPN, I loved the positive action of the keypad, and I loved having that big fat "ENTER" key right where it was under the index finger. (Don't understand *what* possessed HP to dump that idea in later models...)
However, I now use a TI-89, which despite its defects, is a lot faster, and has lots of features the HP48 doesn't (such as proper symbolic Calculus, for those too lazy to do it on paper).
I'm a mechanical engineering major at Carnegie Mellon. In high school, I went through the same thing as you, your gadget urges telling you to buy something nicer than the TI-83 (now 84). Resist these urges. On tests, including the SATs and APs, fancy laptops and super-calculators are not allowed, and proctors will confiscate what they aren't sure about. All of your high school classes will be geared toward the 83/84, when teachers explain how to use a new function, they will explain it with 83/84 button presses, and you will be left frantically flipping through your 200 page manual to find the equivalent. Plus, all your friends are going to have 83/84s, so if you want to make/play games, these are the best calculators to do it on. I can confirm for you that right now, you are clear all the way through high school with an 83/84. Even as a mechanical engineer, lots of people still use 83s. I traded my 83 for an 89 Titanium in freshman year of college. The 89s are very powerful, but also a LOT harder to use than the 83s. Everything takes at least twice the button presses of the 83, and there are far fewer add-on applications. I know there are other brands, such as HP and Casio, but ignore these. These calculators are either crappy cheap ripoffs (Casio, even the color ones), or incredibly complicated unreliable overspeced computers (HP).
I never had a TI-89, but I had its bulkier cousin, the TI-92, and from the times I've played around with the TI-89, the symbolic manipulation capabilities seemed pretty similar.
Sure, Mathematica or Maple will run circles around the TI-92/89, but I recall that the TI-92 could actually do some pretty impressive things. I certainly found that it would symbolically integrate some things that I otherwise would have used an integral table for. It could also do some very hairy algebraic manipulation (and often reducing the result down to something nice). BTW, I don't recall just what basic functions it can integrate, but it certainly can do Gaussians -- I used my TI-92 extensively for prob/stat stuff where I was calculating Gaussian integrals quite frequently. I believe the TI-89 will do the same stuff (someone please correct me if I am mistaken), and it won't be so ridiculously bulky.
I finished my Ph.D. a couple of years ago so it's been quite a while since I've been in any situations where I've been constrained by test taking considerations. =) I use a computer for all that stuff these days. (Which certainly makes sense, since I'm a computational scientist by profession.) But from what I recall of the days when I was frequently using calculators, I don't think you can go wrong with the TI-89, especially since its use is explicitly allowed on a bunch of standardized tests in the US.
BTW, I also used an HP48G extensively in college. I've still got it and use it occasionally, and it has some nice features. And, yes, once you get used to it, RPN is pretty clever. I see a lot of people championing it in favor of the TI calculators on here, but I mostly think that's because of the geek style points it confers. The HP48G series is way better than the TI calculators that came before the TI-89/92, but compared to the TI-89/92 I think the HP48G series really show their age. My 48G is *way* slower to do complicated calculations, much slower in drawing and manipulating graphs, and its symbolic manipulation capabilities are a joke.
... and of course, I'm a dumbass and forgot the link :(
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Purchased a TI-85 back in 93 I think and it has been to hell and back in terms of physical abuse (I probably dropped it over 200 times, it's been crammed in bags with textbooks and dropped on the floor and now it rides with me in my laptop case when I go to/from work). One of the best things I've ever purchased as it does everything I need (although it may not be as automated as the newer ones), battery life is not a problem, I could use it in all my school tests, and it is quite rugged/reliable. I still use it at least once a week when I need to do calculations at work.
Actually, back when I was in school, I had Octave + Gnuplot running on my Sharp Zaurus.
Yes, you really can run it on a $150 handheld.
Also worth mentioning is that there are convenient packages for Windows which include Octave and Gnuplot.
Here are some links:
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They don't make the TI-92 anymore, but the new version of the 89 has all of the features and power of the 92, without the qwerty keypad.
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I absolutely agree. The HP48GX is an amazing calculator. Reverse Polish Notation (RPN) rocks...you don't need to enter in brackets with complex expressions which probably makes it 20-30% faster than other methods. The calculator uses a stack system for its calculations. To add 2 and 3, type 2 and hit enter to put it into the stack. Then press 3 and hit enter...3 also appears on the stack. Then press +. This adds the bottom two entries in the stack. With complex expressions, you start on the innermost brackets and work outwards. Because your answers are always visible in the stack, it is remarkably easy to evaluate expressions without ever rounding more than the calculator's precision.
The stack doesn't just work for numbers. It is possible to enter in many types of objects. Enter two matrices or vectors into the stack, then press +, -, x, or / and the calculator will add, subtract, multiply, or divide the two matrices, just as if they were two numbers. To find the inverse matrix, enter it into the stack and press (1/x). Complex numbers are easily handled by entering them as vectors.
The main weakness of my version is that it is a bit slow when doing things like graphing. The origin of this problem lies in HP's neglect of this product. HP used to be a highly innovative and inventive technology company. They made products that no one else imagined making, things that were designed to meet the requirements of technical professionals like engineers. Then the bean counters/MBA's took over. They sold off most of HP's innovative divisions (Agilent Technologies for example) and became primarily a maker of bog standard PC's. They stopped making the 48GX for a while, but brought it back after a loud outcry. The new version was however not quite the same as the old version. It feels cheaper than the older calculators...it doesn't quite have the same solid feel. Bloody corporate bean counters! HP has been losing money for much of the time since they took over.
It is a shame that HP hasn't updated this calculator. With a newer processor, and a few interface updates, this could truly be the ultimate calculation tool. It is still great, but if it were a bit faster with a more polished interface, then it would be perfect.
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They don't allow anything which could let someone easily steal test questions. I suppose the idea is that it's possible to touch-type all the questions into a TI-92 much faster than into a standard calculator. Anything with a QWERTY keyboard layout is not allowed. In fact, they have a list of the specific models of graphing calculators that are allowed on the test.
For the SAT, a calculator does not help much. A standard 4-function calculator is as useful as a fancy TI-89. Most of the problems involve logic reasoning, not brute force computational or algebraic skills. It's stuff like 101!/99! -- if you type that into a calculator, you are a moron. In fact, I think most of the problems can be done more quickly without using a calculator. The AP Calculus tests, on the other hand, benefit heavily from a TI-89 due to its algebraic capabilities. In fact, I think a TI-89 can do pretty much everything on that test.
That's right! You can get an exceptional emulator for an HP48-GX, free!
The emulator is here: http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=3644
You also need to get a ROM dump file, which you can get here: http://www.hpcalc.org/details.php?id=4368
There are several other emulators, including versions for Windows CE and PocketPC, as well as many other programs and resources, on that site. That also means, if your college will allow PDAs in the classroom, you could just get a PDA and forego the physical calculator entirely!
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I must disagree with the parent on using the TI-89 in college. I am a junior in electrical engineering, and I use it all the time. While it is true that we use MATLAB for several classes, when it comes to test time, we aren't allowed to use computers. The TI-89 has definately helped me a lot in these classes, and on long 13+ hour assignments, it is extreemly helpful to simply let the calculator do the basic integrations and differentiations. That said, my personal advice would be to go with the TI-89. It is robust, very common, and with features like symbolic integration, amazingly useful.
Ti-89s are explicitly allowed in AP exams, though they seem to break some of the rules (symbolic differentiation & integration, etc). However, at least in 2001 they were NOT permitted on most IB (International Baccalaureate) exams, because of those features; they were also not permitted in some contests and standardized tests, where other less powerful graphic calculators (such as the Ti-83 series) are allowed.
I have used both the TI 83 and 89. I consider them good calculators but found them cumbersome after having used the earlier model of the Sharp EL-9900c. It is just as strong for doing the graphing and equation solving as the TI's are.
The feature that I thought made it less cumbersome was the edit as you see it ability. Instead of all of this one line entry of equations it will actually display the equation as it is is in the book while you enter it. So if you enter a symbol for the integral it will display a box at the top and bottom of the symbol for entry, instead of requiring them later on or on the same on line in the entry with others.
I've had my earlier model since 1994 and will not get rid of it. I have a TI 89 that a college class forced me to get 2 years ago and it only gets basic use for figuring out square footage in a room. Check out the Sharp page, you may be surprised.
TIs have become the de facto standard because they are the ones recommended for use on AP exams, certain university classes (although some don't allow anything more than a scientific calculator), and are the ones recommended to high school students (like yourself) for calculus and physics classes. I assure you that they are plenty powerful. Hell, TI 89s will give you the solution of indefinite closed form integrals. As for the resolution, well that's kept low to keep the cost down. I doubt you'll see any graphing calculators that are allowed on AP tests and the sort that have significantly higher resolutions. Yes, the low resolution may cause aliasing, but that isn't restricted to just TI calculators. You have to decide what is right for you, and what will meet your needs, but I've been using my TI for the past seven years, and wouldn't dream of using anything else.