Mono does Python as well by way of IronPython so while it might be python it might not be CPython but its completely compatible. That doesn't also include the GCC backend that will compile all the GCC languages to CLI.
Actually you can do more on Mono then Java. and Mono can run Java as a function fully functioning JVM using IKVM.NET (http://ikvm.net/). In fact that Java based x86 emulator that was posted a few days ago is running on Mono with IVKM. Not so easy to go the other direction (http://grasshopper.mainsoft.com/).
I should also point out that the legal opinion I said where from Novell are nothing more then my informed by not confirmed feelings they send my way (ether by proxy or directly) and not a direct quote from them. As Miguel said the best place to look is the FAQ. Most of what I said is my own personal opinion and doesn't confirm or deny any of the opinions of Novell and the Mono project as a whole.
IP issues have been solved a long time ago. While Microsoft didn't publicly comment on IP issues in Mono, the legal department at Novell feels that any action taken by Microsoft against mono would be in amazingly bad faith and for 90% of Mono would be impossible to impose.
The sections that were released under the EMCA filing are public and they will be ours forever. The issues that maybe questionable are parts that were not released on the EMCA but Microsoft has released the source for those under a shared common licence (very restrictive) but allow anyone to "learn" from them as long as the don't take anything tangable (copy and paste, rigth it down) so as much as you can remember while looking at it is yours. The even make the comment in the licence that its a almost needed tool for implimenting your own runtimes. Mono has a personal policy not except code from people who even looked at to avoid all chances of something slipping up in the mess.
Microsoft has communicated with us in the past on different things and we have communictated with them when we find a security flaw in the framework. They even use our code deep in the depths of Microsoft for regression tests (as much as I have heard) and the even demo with our software at conferences and online broadcasts on the power of the.NET Framework.
With all the positive support they have given towards it would be in bad interests to suddenly change on that and would be against anti-trust laws. We are also protected by the EMCA filling because it proves that Microsoft intented for.NET to be a standard and not propiatary. Any patent that Microsoft would try to file would be quickly shot down because of prior art clauses and the fact that Mono is mostly a wrapper (when it comes to the classes not the compiler or the runtime) for libraries that already exist in Linux (in most cases this is true) they would have to file against libraries that even Microsoft used as the basis for their products publicly.
I just don't see any issue. It was a consern when we started before we had time to investigate.:-)
GTK# works wonderful without even even being related to Mono in anyway. It runs under Microsoft.NET just as well as it does on Mono under windows.
My good friend Paco (Fransico Martieneze) has posted a installer for.NET SDK 1.1 and it includes documention for it and even some intergration with Visual Studio as well.
I just happen to be one of the few official developers for the mono project, just catching this artical early. Mono is quickly becoming better then ever. The biggest difference between Mono 1.0.x and Mono 1.1.x is the fact that our Just-In-Time compiler (or JIT) is getting more and more amazing every day. The 1.0.x series use a interprator capable of understanding things at the application start.
One huge correction is that Mono will be called 1.2 in May not 2.0. While it is true that gtk-sharp-2.0 is moving to 2.0 from 1.0, the Mono runtime will remain at 1.2 as not to be confused with Microsoft.NET 2.0 (all though support for many of.NET 2.0 features will be included). Gtk# being based on Gtk+ 2.2 and Gtk# 2.0 being based on Gtk+ 2.4. Windows support is just as compatable with GTK# as it is on Linux, minus support for Gnome, VFS, GConf, GtkHtml 3 and DBus of course.
Hope that helps!
Selling or giving out sites under a person's name as a subdomain like...
http://tomsmith.doctors.professions.com
and give/sell him the matching email address... tomsmith@doctors.professions.com
these two could sue me...
Just dumb!
Under this patent I can't set up a hosting site (lets say professions.com or something) and then give out subdomains with maching emails. For example I couldn't set up a website for a doctor at http://tomsmith.doctors.professions.com and give him the matching email address tomsmith@doctors.professions.com without having to worry about infringing on this patent.
I can't believe the US Patent and Trademark office let this kind of stuff through. Its just like the ActiveBuddy patent. Stuff like this makes me sick.
I would have to say your wrong on this point. Windows Server 2003 is the most complete Windows os to date. I'm not saying this because I'm pro MS in anyway, but the 2003 operating system is 100 times better then Windows 2000 and about 100 times better then XP (giving into the fact that XP is better then 2000 in many ways but opens many new problems that were are almost tottaly fixed in 2003). I enjoy the control and flow of 2003, and I praise them for locking it down in the install. This turned out to be a very valueable feature for our company that does Windows (as well as Linux and BSD) webhosting on both dedicated and shared systems (so we have 100s of machines to setup that we don't have to us an image system for that install right off the cd or over the lan without a hitch. Also as provider of distrubted LAN solutions for small to medium sized companies that can't afford full time IT departmarts, 2003 Server (including Small Biz Server 2003) simplifies setting up the distrubtied network and keeping it secure (all be it, it costs more for the hardware and software aspect to something that Linux could do with 5% of the resources required, but it still averages less then hiring someone full time).
Windows Server 2003 has the ability to do things that previous versions couldn't even fathum from a programming aspect. The networking aspect is about a thousand times better with the ablity to (not super dooper but good anough that anyone with experience with routing couldn't work something to just make it work).
Understand that I'm a born Linux user myself, and I end up installing Cygwin, Mozilla (Firebird mostly), GCC, Apache, PHP, Perl, TLC, and about a hundred other Linux tools on just about every windows machine I come across that I have to use for more then 10 minutes. I know that Windows has querks but I would rate it towards the top in this case.
I posted this on an ASK Slashdot a while back. ::History::
Its funny how the goverment doesn't seem to care until they get experience it for them selves? That fast against the messanger pop up stuff.
Wooooo..
How long will it take until they can't stand spam in their email and they decided to finally decide to take care of it. How about all of us legimate email users get together and spam the FCC and maybe we can piss them off anough to do something about it.
As soon as saying "I got in my car and drove to Washington." stops becoming "I gotten a minicart and dove to washing my son." I don't think it will really catch on.
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I just got a copy in my MSDN Subscription that I get from my companies MCSP status, but I still had to call and preordered it for them to ship it. I haven't gotten around to installing it fully, but the install system is really neat. Some wierd features its wants me to install. New filesystem for it now, called SQLFS instead of NTFS or FAT32. Its basicly SQL Server running inside of the kernal now I'm guessing. Post more updates on my findings on my site if anyone's interested.
before the vast nature of the internet today, I used to think that the computer world would be just as big it has become today. One thing i didn't evaluate is the fact that we would have such a vast network of so many machines from household to household.
I thought that multimedia for the newspapper companies would have to change in the future to meet this demand in some other way.
I predicted that we go to the newspapper vendor and pick up a diskette or have a news cd delivered everyday to my house with todays news so i could read it at my giant and very load home pc with my morning coffee. I think that the idea must of hit a few other people back then.
But now the fact of the matter is that consently chaning data that has to be physically delivered to you on a some sort of digital format just isn't practical anymore.
Even if I'm in area without broadband, who cares when its just news? A 33.6 is just fine to read my msnbc & slashdot in the morning when out of town in a hotel. Not to mention, I can always find a wireless hotspot if i want to make a quick update on my advant go content with my pocketpc.
I think in the long run, the cost of the cds won't produce anough interest to make any sort of profit from the idea.
http://www.sco.com/scosource/
What is this about? You can run a binary only version of Linux and you have to get a licence from sco? haha.. I wonder about my WRT54G from Linksys that just happens to be Linux based.
(I noticed I can program the most annoying things over and over while drunk and high)
I just got done scanning all my users to check for the patch install. About 1/4 have the patch so far, that are publicly accessable and not behind a firewall. Using the tool on Microsoft's website, and it seems to work well for us ISPs. I set up the router to block that port on my core router but if some gets inside the network with it, we might still get hit. This thing is bad.
Just downloaded and it works GREAT! I hated being forced to use windows on my wireless boxes because that is all that was supported. I love this now. Ironicly like most thinks in Linux/BSD that have to do with networking, it runs so much faster!
First of all... Look everyone its down 1%!!!! Whoopdi-do-da-day..... Second.... My company (Verizon) uses about 99% non-pirated software. Only about 80% desktops are Windows and the servers are running Linux and Unix and we are using mostly Java-based software. We have a few MS servers running around but they are only for test purposes. Every single piece of software in our company has a licence. We are very strick on that. In fact, every company I've ever worked for has been the same way. These stats are blouted.... I can see maybe your mom and pop ISP might have a few unlicenced copies of Office installed on a few machines, but I'm sure no one really cares.
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I call .local, .localdomain, and .int. Every local and private intranet and local machine be damned!
Mono does Python as well by way of IronPython so while it might be python it might not be CPython but its completely compatible. That doesn't also include the GCC backend that will compile all the GCC languages to CLI.
Actually you can do more on Mono then Java. and Mono can run Java as a function fully functioning JVM using IKVM.NET (http://ikvm.net/). In fact that Java based x86 emulator that was posted a few days ago is running on Mono with IVKM. Not so easy to go the other direction (http://grasshopper.mainsoft.com/).
Although, I'm a little partial being a developer for TI and working on the next generation of calculators, I would have to say the TI nspire is the next big thing. It should be out next quarter. More to come.... http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/n onProductMulti/nspire_cas.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-Nspire_CAS
I should also point out that the legal opinion I said where from Novell are nothing more then my informed by not confirmed feelings they send my way (ether by proxy or directly) and not a direct quote from them. As Miguel said the best place to look is the FAQ. Most of what I said is my own personal opinion and doesn't confirm or deny any of the opinions of Novell and the Mono project as a whole.
Well, there really isn't an issue.
.NET Framework.
.NET to be a standard and not propiatary. Any patent that Microsoft would try to file would be quickly shot down because of prior art clauses and the fact that Mono is mostly a wrapper (when it comes to the classes not the compiler or the runtime) for libraries that already exist in Linux (in most cases this is true) they would have to file against libraries that even Microsoft used as the basis for their products publicly.
:-)
IP issues have been solved a long time ago. While Microsoft didn't publicly comment on IP issues in Mono, the legal department at Novell feels that any action taken by Microsoft against mono would be in amazingly bad faith and for 90% of Mono would be impossible to impose.
The sections that were released under the EMCA filing are public and they will be ours forever. The issues that maybe questionable are parts that were not released on the EMCA but Microsoft has released the source for those under a shared common licence (very restrictive) but allow anyone to "learn" from them as long as the don't take anything tangable (copy and paste, rigth it down) so as much as you can remember while looking at it is yours. The even make the comment in the licence that its a almost needed tool for implimenting your own runtimes. Mono has a personal policy not except code from people who even looked at to avoid all chances of something slipping up in the mess.
Microsoft has communicated with us in the past on different things and we have communictated with them when we find a security flaw in the framework. They even use our code deep in the depths of Microsoft for regression tests (as much as I have heard) and the even demo with our software at conferences and online broadcasts on the power of the
With all the positive support they have given towards it would be in bad interests to suddenly change on that and would be against anti-trust laws. We are also protected by the EMCA filling because it proves that Microsoft intented for
I just don't see any issue. It was a consern when we started before we had time to investigate.
GTK# works wonderful without even even being related to Mono in anyway. It runs under Microsoft.NET just as well as it does on Mono under windows.
.NET SDK 1.1 and it includes documention for it and even some intergration with Visual Studio as well.
g tk s-inst4win
My good friend Paco (Fransico Martieneze) has posted a installer for
http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?
I just happen to be one of the few official developers for the mono project, just catching this artical early. Mono is quickly becoming better then ever. The biggest difference between Mono 1.0.x and Mono 1.1.x is the fact that our Just-In-Time compiler (or JIT) is getting more and more amazing every day. The 1.0.x series use a interprator capable of understanding things at the application start. One huge correction is that Mono will be called 1.2 in May not 2.0. While it is true that gtk-sharp-2.0 is moving to 2.0 from 1.0, the Mono runtime will remain at 1.2 as not to be confused with Microsoft.NET 2.0 (all though support for many of .NET 2.0 features will be included). Gtk# being based on Gtk+ 2.2 and Gtk# 2.0 being based on Gtk+ 2.4. Windows support is just as compatable with GTK# as it is on Linux, minus support for Gnome, VFS, GConf, GtkHtml 3 and DBus of course.
Hope that helps!
As a long time debian user, I have to give my hats off to you for documenting the latest installer.
Selling or giving out sites under a person's name as a subdomain like...
http://tomsmith.doctors.professions.com
and give/sell him the matching email address...
tomsmith@doctors.professions.com
these two could sue me...
Just dumb!
Under this patent I can't set up a hosting site (lets say professions.com or something) and then give out subdomains with maching emails. For example I couldn't set up a website for a doctor at http://tomsmith.doctors.professions.com and give him the matching email address tomsmith@doctors.professions.com without having to worry about infringing on this patent.
I can't believe the US Patent and Trademark office let this kind of stuff through. Its just like the ActiveBuddy patent. Stuff like this makes me sick.
I would have to say your wrong on this point. Windows Server 2003 is the most complete Windows os to date. I'm not saying this because I'm pro MS in anyway, but the 2003 operating system is 100 times better then Windows 2000 and about 100 times better then XP (giving into the fact that XP is better then 2000 in many ways but opens many new problems that were are almost tottaly fixed in 2003). I enjoy the control and flow of 2003, and I praise them for locking it down in the install. This turned out to be a very valueable feature for our company that does Windows (as well as Linux and BSD) webhosting on both dedicated and shared systems (so we have 100s of machines to setup that we don't have to us an image system for that install right off the cd or over the lan without a hitch. Also as provider of distrubted LAN solutions for small to medium sized companies that can't afford full time IT departmarts, 2003 Server (including Small Biz Server 2003) simplifies setting up the distrubtied network and keeping it secure (all be it, it costs more for the hardware and software aspect to something that Linux could do with 5% of the resources required, but it still averages less then hiring someone full time).
Windows Server 2003 has the ability to do things that previous versions couldn't even fathum from a programming aspect. The networking aspect is about a thousand times better with the ablity to (not super dooper but good anough that anyone with experience with routing couldn't work something to just make it work).
Understand that I'm a born Linux user myself, and I end up installing Cygwin, Mozilla (Firebird mostly), GCC, Apache, PHP, Perl, TLC, and about a hundred other Linux tools on just about every windows machine I come across that I have to use for more then 10 minutes. I know that Windows has querks but I would rate it towards the top in this case.
more like...
0.0.0.0
0.0.0.1
0.0.0.2
I posted this on an ASK Slashdot a while back.
::History::
Its funny how the goverment doesn't seem to care until they get experience it for them selves? That fast against the messanger pop up stuff.
Wooooo..
How long will it take until they can't stand spam in their email and they decided to finally decide to take care of it. How about all of us legimate email users get together and spam the FCC and maybe we can piss them off anough to do something about it.
As soon as saying
"I got in my car and drove to Washington." stops becoming "I gotten a minicart and dove to washing my son." I don't think it will really catch on.
I just got a copy in my MSDN Subscription that I get from my companies MCSP status, but I still had to call and preordered it for them to ship it. I haven't gotten around to installing it fully, but the install system is really neat. Some wierd features its wants me to install. New filesystem for it now, called SQLFS instead of NTFS or FAT32. Its basicly SQL Server running inside of the kernal now I'm guessing. Post more updates on my findings on my site if anyone's interested.
man... you must have a lot of extra time on your hands to really even write something like that...
before the vast nature of the internet today, I used to think that the computer world would be just as big it has become today. One thing i didn't evaluate is the fact that we would have such a vast network of so many machines from household to household.
I thought that multimedia for the newspapper companies would have to change in the future to meet this demand in some other way.
I predicted that we go to the newspapper vendor and pick up a diskette or have a news cd delivered everyday to my house with todays news so i could read it at my giant and very load home pc with my morning coffee. I think that the idea must of hit a few other people back then.
But now the fact of the matter is that consently chaning data that has to be physically delivered to you on a some sort of digital format just isn't practical anymore.
Even if I'm in area without broadband, who cares when its just news? A 33.6 is just fine to read my msnbc & slashdot in the morning when out of town in a hotel. Not to mention, I can always find a wireless hotspot if i want to make a quick update on my advant go content with my pocketpc.
I think in the long run, the cost of the cds won't produce anough interest to make any sort of profit from the idea.
http://www.sco.com/scosource/
What is this about? You can run a binary only version of Linux and you have to get a licence from sco? haha.. I wonder about my WRT54G from Linksys that just happens to be Linux based.
(I noticed I can program the most annoying things over and over while drunk and high)
I just got done scanning all my users to check for the patch install. About 1/4 have the patch so far, that are publicly accessable and not behind a firewall. Using the tool on Microsoft's website, and it seems to work well for us ISPs. I set up the router to block that port on my core router but if some gets inside the network with it, we might still get hit. This thing is bad.
Just downloaded and it works GREAT! I hated being forced to use windows on my wireless boxes because that is all that was supported. I love this now. Ironicly like most thinks in Linux/BSD that have to do with networking, it runs so much faster!
Whenever i get on my windows box, i use only WinRAR on there. I wonder what version of the two they will use?
First of all... Look everyone its down 1%!!!! Whoopdi-do-da-day..... Second.... My company (Verizon) uses about 99% non-pirated software. Only about 80% desktops are Windows and the servers are running Linux and Unix and we are using mostly Java-based software. We have a few MS servers running around but they are only for test purposes. Every single piece of software in our company has a licence. We are very strick on that. In fact, every company I've ever worked for has been the same way. These stats are blouted.... I can see maybe your mom and pop ISP might have a few unlicenced copies of Office installed on a few machines, but I'm sure no one really cares.
i would of listed more but the sig only allows a few characters...