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At Least 25 Million Americans Pirate Movies

ThinSkin writes "Roughly 18 percent of the U.S. online population has illegally downloaded a full-length movie at some point in the past, according to a telephone and online study of 2,600 Americans. A typical movie downloader is 29 years of age, while 63 percent of all downloaders are male, and 37 percent are female. Kaan Yigit, director of the study, observes, 'There is a Robin Hood effect — most people perceive celebrities and studios to be rich already and as a result don't think of movie downloading as a big deal. The current crop of 'download to own' movie services and the new ones coming into the market will need to offer greater flexibility of use, selection and low prices to convert the current users to their services — otherwise file-sharing will continue to thrive.'"

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  1. 18%? by cdrguru · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suspect the number is higher. Free is very attractive. Doing something that is perceived as "criminal" and getting away with it is also very attractive.

    Combine these two and you have a huge motivation for people to do this, regardless of their ever watching the movie.

    It may be too late to stuff the genii back in the bottle. The result is that this becomes an "entitlement" that people expect. We are looking at a lot of people being out of work as a result. Not the "stars" but the studio grunts and the folks in the promotions and marketing departments.

    1. Re:18%? by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not the "stars" but the studio grunts and the folks in the promotions and marketing departments.

      Dwindling profits for Hollywood's major studios is probably for the best. Obviously Hollywood has been incapable of producing--among popular blockbusters--a decent percentage of truly fine artistic achievements in spite of their huge profits. Meanwhile, in Europe studios haven't always been capable of turning a profit, but have been supported by private patronage or government subsidies for the arts, and look at the results: such money turns out to be enough to keep workers employed, and in spite of limited budgets it has given us monuments of world cinema. Just look at most of Ingmar Bergman's films, for example.

    2. Re:18%? by geekoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's no way that there are 54 million people actively downloading 4GB movie files..."

      well, since you backed that up quite logically...

      Now, if you had read the article:
      " U.S. online population"
      and then noticed the head line says 25 million.
      Any one of these would indicate to someone of average or greater intelligence that it's not al Americans.

      Based on the actual artical, 18% seem pretty reasonable a number.
      Now if broadband is at 50%(adjust for easy of math), that mean 150 million americans have
      broadband. Pretty cliose to 18%.

      Please. Try. To. Think.

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    3. Re:18%? by Achoi77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      we're talking about the majority of the US population, you know: the people that type in their search queries in their browser URL field because they can't tell the difference. These are the people that are confused by the big blue lowercase 'e', when internet is spelled with an 'i' ("I want to get on the internet - what? click on the lowercase e? That's totally retarded!"). They don't know how to check their hotmail account. They don't know how whether or not their computer is already hijacked. They can't tell the difference between the internet and American Online. You expect these people to start installing p2p software and start downloading files for their use (nevermind the fact that to go looking for the stuff in the first place)?

      I'm suprised by the age bracket, I totally suspected it would be lower, mostly consisting of teenagers and college kids, ages 13-22. I'm 29 myself, and to be honest, with my current lifestyle, I really don't have the time to fuck around with semi-corrupt files and the arduous process of assembling multiple files from different sources, just to get a cracked copy of a computer game or a movie file. It's much more convenient to take a few bucks and buy the stuff. Why go thru all that hassle? Especially at 29 years old? Sure, when I was in college I had all the time in the world to wait for that ultra-rare mp3 to finish downloading from Germany. But I'm used to fast now and more importantly if it costs a few more bucks for the convenience, I don't mind shelling out. I've got income, and I will pay for my fast-paced (or some would just call it lazy) lifestyle. So sue me. I pay for the service, not the art.

    4. Re:18%? by Swift2001 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, broadband isn't necessary. I downloaded a movie at 56k. I downloaded one movie, and it took me most of 2006.

    5. Re:18%? by shmlco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      From TFA: "The study's authors didn't clarify whether "downloaded" implied illegal downloads or participation in legal services such as CinemaNow!"

      It seems that the rather sensationalistic headline is contradicted by the article itself.

      Not to mention that this seems like a typical Slashdot bias. Picture the reaction if one were to prefix the article with: "In a study conducted by the MPAA..." People would be falling all over themselves pointing out how the numbers have to be grossly overstated.

      Either way, since the article didn't provide any information about how the study was conducted, how the 2,600 people were found, demographics, et.al., I have to believe the numbers are simply bogus. Cherry pick your starting group, and you can extrapolate to any absurd number.

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    6. Re:18%? by Robber+Baron · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're saying that half of all broadband users are capable of downloading a bit torrent client, running it, finding divx, installing it, and getting the movie to run... sure, they could be downloading quicktime movies or WMV files, but any of these combinations is equally challenging to your mom, your grandpa, and your brother in law- 1 person out of 5 is a hell of a lot of people. Umm...it's not that hard...

      Step 1: Download Bitlord.
      Step 2: Download VLC Media Player
      Step 3: Visit Mininova and find a tracker.
      Step 4: Open file with VLC and enjoy.

      But still I think your right. It's probably not 18% of all citizens, probably more like 18% of all households with broadband.
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  2. 25 Million Pirate Movies?? by siufish · · Score: 5, Funny

    and I've only seen one last year! Where can I find the others? :)

  3. Too lazy to go to the library? by FellowConspirator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are these folks just too lazy to go to the library and rip DVDs from there? Young people today!

  4. It's easier! by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the reasons I personally pirate movies is it's easier. I don't have to mess around with anything, I just find a torrent (easy as pie), click 2 buttons and I have it within a couple of hours (on a good torrent under 1 hour). Why ever would I goto the cinema or to a shop to buy something I can get for less effort and money?

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    1. Re:It's easier! by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Why ever would I goto the cinema"

      Why? To enjoy the theater experience. You know, flying popcorn, being kicked by the idiot behind you, cell phones ringing, babies crying, people talking endlessly.

      Thats why!

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  5. That's not all... by TobyRush · · Score: 4, Funny

    Roughly 18 percent of the U.S. online population has illegally downloaded a full-length movie at some point in the past

    ...and roughly 34 percent of the U.S. online population has illegally downloaded the first few minutes of a full-length movie, then cancelled that download to try to find a faster one.

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  6. Convenience by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is what the MPAA doesn't quite get. Most people I know over the age of 21 hate going to the theater. It's a fucking hassle.

    So when a blockbuster is released like LOTR the options are:
    a. suffer in the theater
    b. wait half a year for the DVD
    c. download the torrent

    Just make the first runs available for download and guaranteed the piracy problem will be minimized.

  7. Re:It's Still Wrong by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I doubt that any significant fraction of these 25 million people also shoplift movies out of Best Buy, which is what this is tantamount to.

    Not at all. When you take something from Best Buy, you are removing a physical object that the store can no longer sell to someone. When you download a movie, no physical object is involved.

  8. Re:It's Still Wrong by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Agreed. Let's not forget that copyright is a recent notion, proposed by a few people in Western Europe only a few hundred years ago. It did not exist in antiquity--Roman poets such as Martial had no problem with their works being copied and sold as long as they were given credit on the title page--and even today most of the world finds it a nonsensical concept.

  9. Hollywood constantly loses money by Generic+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny

    When I found out that Hollywood regularly adjusts their accounting practices to show their movies all lose money, I decided to adjust my own checkbook to show that I paid for all the movies on my computer.

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  10. Numbers dont lie by bedonnant · · Score: 5, Funny

    A typical movie downloader is 29 years of age, while 63 percent of all downloaders are male, and 37 percent are female I am glad the summary thought best to inform us that all that are not male, are female.
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  11. movie pirate by Quick+Sick+Nick · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's right, I'm a movie pirate! And I like movies rated ARRRRRRR!!!

  12. Here is one of the reasons by cyberscan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To tell you the truth, if I had to watch cartel product, I'd prefer "pirated" movies to store bought DVD's simply because I am not forced to watch or skip all of the damned advertisements. I have seen these movies on home made DVD's at other people's homes. I am amazed at their high quality. It should be high time that the movie and music industry stop suing and start listening to their customers. They can start doing this by removing Digital Restrictions Management from their products and stop overcharging. The only reason why these cartels have gotten away with their overcharging for so many years is because they have shut out any competition. Thankfully, those days are over.

    With that said, I also want to state that I download video and music from the Internet all of the time. Just about everything that I download however, is not owned or copyrighted by the entertainment cartels. This is not because I have any moral qualms about doing so, rather, it is because most of the stuff produced by the entertainment cartels is pure unadultrated crap. It is a good thing that there are so many people "pirating." I hope that the piracy rate goes even higher until the entertainment cartels finally get the message. When the cartels finally accept the fact that they can no longer overcharge for their product and put unreasonable controls over how their product can be watched, they may regain some of the customers they have lost.

    Much of what has been put out by the cartels these days has been little more than glorified reruns. If I want original entertainment, I go to the Internet and such sites as You Tube. The entertainment cartels will most likely never again make the kind of money that they once made now that they have competition, however people will be better off, and new producers will be able to enter the market. Yes, "piracy" is good, and no, it is NOT STEALING.

    1. Re:Here is one of the reasons by ThePengwin · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I think its worthwhile outlaying pros and cons to piracy :)
      Pros
      • Free
      • Ad Free
      • Versatile
      • Distributable
      • Modifiable
      • Abundance (I love this one the most. I know what its like to hear "Sorry no-one but you listens to/watches that, so we don't stock it")
      Cons:
      • Illegal
      • No nice packaging (I love a good box that i can display, but sadly this is fading away a lot)
      Did i miss anything?