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Want to Take On An Open/Unsolved Problem?

CexpTretical writes "The accumulation and focusing of knowledge may be the noblest use or purpose of the internet. There are plenty of open or unsolved problems left for this generation. Why not spend some of your time in the dark of this winter working on one of the big problems facing humanity? Open problems exists in almost every field of study. Wikipedia maintains a small list of them and at least one international group called the Union of International Associations maintains a database of open problems." Which problem do you want to see cracked first? Are you already working on one of these big issues?

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  1. One of the problems taken from wikipedia in econ. by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Funny

    What is the proper size and scope of government? Where can government intervention improve on the market? Does a market failure necessarily mean that government intervention is warranted? Can intervention make things worse? If the government intervenes in a market, how should it intervene? To what extent is public ownership of assets and businesses warranted?

    Yeah, good luck using the internet discussions to solve THAT problem.....

  2. Yes, I have a solution! by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have a truly marvelous proof of this proposition however this comment is too narrow to contain.

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    1. Re:Yes, I have a solution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have a truly marvelous proof of this proposition however this comment is too narrow to contain.

      What we need here is for a troll to post one of those good old-fashioned page-widening posts.

  3. The ultimate problems? by TinBromide · · Score: 4, Funny

    What questions I'd like to see answered? Where do socks go in the laundry? Why do people obsess about the incongruities in gilligan's island? Why do good things happen to people who aren't me? 42. (now find me the question)

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    1. Re:The ultimate problems? by aborchers · · Score: 3, Funny

      "What questions I'd like to see answered? Where do socks go in the laundry? Why do people obsess about the incongruities in gilligan's island? Why do good things happen to people who aren't me? 42. (now find me the question)"

      To which I'd add, why do tornadoes only touch down in trailer parks?

      BTW, the socks one I can answer: They travel through wormholes and emerge in the back of the closet as spare hangers.

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    2. Re:The ultimate problems? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Alternatively socks just get droped outside of the drum and end up in the bottom of the washer, either by the person puting them in the washer (top laders) or by crawling out of the drum thanks to the escape force created by the circular motion (front loaders).
      I discovered that the day a repair guy came home to fix the washer as he found in the barrel of the washer several socks I had thought lost in the twilight zone forever.
      But these days people just trash their broken washer and buy a new one, so this secret is kept between repair guys and socks shops. The truth is out there ;)

    3. Re:The ultimate problems? by danachap · · Score: 2, Funny

      One unsolved problem that has perplexed me for years:

      Why can't I fill up the entire toilet with bubbles?

    4. Re:The ultimate problems? by inviolet · · Score: 2, Informative

      - How come only your fingers and toes get prune in the shower and nothing else does?

      That happens because only dead skin absorbs external water and swells up. Hands and feet tend to be callused, where many layers of dead and dying skin have built up for protection.

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    5. Re:The ultimate problems? by Whiteox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OK. The 'Sock Conundrum'
      I've given up on this and now, regularly buy socks weekly. I know the cost can be prohibitive, but if you wear them only once, you can get 5 pairs for under $5 if you look around.
      There's no need to worry about quality, 'cause you only wear them once. There is no frustration because you know exactly where your socks are at all times - either in a shopping bag with sales tags on them, or in the bin.
      There are other advantages that are too numerous to list here.
      The way I manage to budget for them is to eat one burger less per week. The trick is however is to find a reliable sock merchant.

      Gilligan's Island was thoroughly understood by the Thermians - "Thermians, a peaceful and naïve cephalopod-like alien race who, having received twenty-year old transmissions of.... (Gilligan's Island) from Earth, and having no concept of fiction, have interpreted the show as "historical documents". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_Quest

      So if you re-view Gilligan's Island as a 'History' then the apparent incongruencies are explained away by historical bias.

      "Why do good things happen to people who aren't me?" Next Week's Lotto Sweepstake's Result: xx xx x xx xx xx (xx) (xx)

      42? 6 x 7!

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  4. really? by macadamia_harold · · Score: 5, Funny

    The accumulation and focusing of knowledge may be the noblest use or purpose of the internet.

    That's your opinion. Midget porn afficionados would beg to differ.

  5. First date! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Which problem do you want to see cracked first? "

    How to get a date?

  6. How about somebody taking on the problem of ... by kunakida · · Score: 5, Interesting

    how to list the world's problems.

    Seriously. The database sucked.
    If I wanted to find a problem to tackle, just finding a good one is problem enough.

    How about getting the problems
    -listed by multiple tags
    -filterable by area of interest, and skillset required
    -prioritized by relevance to science, to humanity, to marketability
    -sorted by difficulty, number of extant participants

    If you can't communicate why something is a problem, then you have two problems.

    1. Re:How about somebody taking on the problem of ... by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 4, Funny

      Also, it should give the current "closest" solutions to the problems, i.e., "Person A found that you can solve B as long as you know how to do a C on D."

      Btw, I never knew there was a "Union of International Associations". Talk about bureaucracy! My friends and I used to joke about an imaginary, incompetent organication called the "Federal International Comission" (FIC), but man, did we miss the gold mine!

    2. Re:How about somebody taking on the problem of ... by constantnormal · · Score: 4, Interesting
      "If you can't communicate why something is a problem, then you have two problems."

      If we knew enough about the problems to do all the categorizations you suggest, then we would be pretty well on the way to solving them. But you're right about the so-called "database" of problems maintained by the UIA. They seem to be missing a description of the problem in many cases. I guess they confuse a name with a description.

      The Wikipedia list of unsolved problems is categorized by the discipline of science that they are (apparently) most pertinent to. In some cases, the same problem is listed multiple times. I find it to be a nice set of problems, but curiously brief. If these are all of the big unsolved problems, then we have a distinct lack of imagination.

      As to how one would go about ranking them as to difficulty, if you can do that even with problems that we know the answers to, you're a better man than I. In fact, I think that the question of how to rank problems by the difficulty they present is yet another unsolved problem. It very likely encompasses the framework of logic used to describe and solve the problem, with some problems that are quite simple in a sufficiently complex world-view being conundrums in a simpler world view.

    3. Re:How about somebody taking on the problem of ... by syousef · · Score: 4, Informative

      This kind of work is not something you take on by looking it up on a general encyclopaedia like Wikipedia. If you're at a point where you can actually make an attempt on such a problem, you're probably already familiar with specialist literature and you more likely than not have heard of the problem long ago and not yet tackled it.

      This would be a better place to start:
      http://arxiv.org/

      If you can't even understand the papers here in the field you've chosen, you've got a lot of work to do and it may even be easier to pursue it formally as part of a postgrad degree.

      The myth that you can just walk into a problem and solve it is rubbish. Einstein may have been a patent clerk when he had his breakthrough "miracle" year but he was looking at problems for many many years and got to know a lot of mathematical and scientific literature in a less than formal setting which is one reason he was able to see past all the old thinking and realise that things he was seeing (notably the Lorentz transformations/Michelson-Morley experiment) were literally true.

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    4. Re:How about somebody taking on the problem of ... by radtea · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Einstein may have been a patent clerk when he had his breakthrough "miracle" year but he was looking at problems for many many years and got to know a lot of mathematical and scientific literature in a less than formal setting

      Einstein had a doctorate in physics, which included all of the grounding he needed to understand the problems of Brownian motion (for which he won the Nobel prize and which is to this day his most-cited work) and the issues with electro-dynamics that led him to relativity. He started with an excellent, formal, disciplined grounding in his subject of interest. His position as a patent clerk was useful because it gave him the time to work undisturbed by actual job duties (patent office employment back then not being much different from in our own time.)

      While self-taught geniuses do exist (Ramanujan, for example) the vast majority of substantive contributions to any field are made by people with good formal grounding in that field. It doesn't matter how smart you are, nor how much of the literature you have read: formal education will help you learn the disciplines of mind and modes of thought that are the jumping-off point for new work. Nor does learning these things stifle creativity if you really understand them, as Einstein did.

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    5. Re:How about somebody taking on the problem of ... by syousef · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually he obtained his doctorate the same year he published his Annus Mirabilis papers
      See:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein#Works_and_do ctorate

      He certainly didn't wait until he had this formal education to think about relativity. He'd done most of the ground work years before. The setting was a much less formal one in which he started out with learning difficulties once fascinated by the mathematics largely taught himself and worked hard until he was outdoing his tutors.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein
      "From 1894, following the failure of Hermann Einstein's electrochemical business, the Einsteins moved to Milan and proceeded to Pavia after a few months. Einstein's first scientific work, called "The Investigation of the State of Aether in Magnetic Fields", was written contemporaneously for one of his uncles. Albert remained in Munich to finish his schooling, but only completed one term before leaving the gymnasium in the spring of 1895 to join his family in Pavia. He quit a year and a half before the final examinations, convincing the school to let him go with a medical note from a friendly doctor, but this meant that he had no secondary-school certificate.[4] That same year, at age 16, he performed a famous thought experiment by trying to visualize what it would be like to ride alongside a light beam. He realized that, according to Maxwell's equations, light waves would obey the principle of relativity: the speed of the light would always be constant, no matter what the velocity of the observer. This conclusion would later become one of the two postulates of special relativity"

      There are plenty of biographies on Einstein that go into more detail. I've read a couple.

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  7. I read it on the internet by macadamia_harold · · Score: 5, Funny

    "What is the proper size and scope of government?" Yeah, good luck using the internet discussions to solve THAT problem.....

    It does seem to be an out-of-control problem. According to wikipedia, the size and scope of the government has tripled in the last six months.

    1. Re:I read it on the internet by PresidentEnder · · Score: 3, Funny

      Here!

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    2. Re:I read it on the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I see the problem. You're Here. This implies you're not in Congress. :P

    3. Re:I read it on the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Years, not months. The size of the deficit is um........... Staggering. The amazing part is how much money can be spent on getting nothing at all done.

  8. Which problem do you want to see cracked first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, if someone can do something about the guy in the cubicle next to me...

    Adler likes to hum as he works, not too loudly, just enough to break thru the usual office background noise. That would be distracting enough, however, Adler insists on choosing his nasal-tunes by whatever the last audible ring tone was that blared thru our locality. The ring tone/tune sticks in his head, and he hums it over and over, out load, until the next tune gets stuck in his borderline consciousness...I mean tone...I mean...urrgggg. And when Adler isn't humming, he's speed/redialing busy phone numbers via his on-hook speaker phone.

    So, if someone can help Adler to find something else to do with his excess work energy, I'd be happy to focus on whatever 'world' problems are deemed most pressing.

  9. object to definition of "Open Problem" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    from link in story: "... for which a solution is known to exist but which has not yet been solved". For many open problems, a solution is not known to exist. Indeed, many open problems turn out to have no solution. An example is if no solution can be derived from the axiomatic system in question, since the answer is "independent" of all the axioms, or other times the solution can be the proof that no solution can exist, e.g. for the halting problem. It was an open problem, you were looking for an algorithm, and bam, some wise guy proves that you can't find it. In that case, certainly, a solution was not "known to exist".

  10. Try this at home by shma · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's one from mathematics that caught my eye. The goal is to find out whether 78,557 is the lowest Sierpinski* number. All but 8 candidates have been eliminated and there's a project called 17 or bust which is working on the last eight. As their name suggests, the project has personally eliminated 9 numbers already.

    * Some of you may recognize Sierpinski from the carpet which bears his name.

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  11. I swear this is not my homework by StikyPad · · Score: 5, Funny

    Which problem do you want to see cracked first?

    The factors for x^2 + 5x + 6 please, showing work.

    1. Re:I swear this is not my homework by Gabrill · · Score: 4, Funny

      (x+2)(x+3) the work was done in my head. My teacher hated that.

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  12. Re:One of the problems taken from wikipedia in eco by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Very funny, but I actually consider that the most important question of all, because if you know the answer to that, you can generate the wealth necessary to trivially solve all of the others. Look at all the nations of the world and observe what a huge difference the choice of government makes!

    It's also the hardest because it's extremely difficult to perform a scientific experiment to test it. There are millions of variables to control, and uncontrollable, and you can't grab X governments at random and make them do something, dividing them neatly into control and test groups. (That's why it's hard for people to come to agreement about the matter.)

    Could MMORPG's and realistic computer models of human economic behavior change this? Maybe.

  13. Distributed computing... by Excelcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like an attempt at distributed computing... without the computing part.

    Log into web site, check out work unit, complete unit, check in results, rinse and repeat.

    There is an assumption in this sort of thing that there is a large enough untapped pool of relevant expertise to make this sort of job distribution effective. Is this actually just a study on whether or not that assumption is correct, or has someone really made that assumption and is expecting success?

    I have troubles believing that this is really an effective means for tackling some of the listed problems.

  14. Easy by camperdave · · Score: 5, Funny
    • What is the proper size and scope of government?
      No larger than necessary
    • Where can government intervention improve on the market?
      In places where unrestricted market forces are detrimental
    • Does a market failure necessarily mean that government intervention is warranted?
      No
    • Can intervention make things worse?
      Yes
    • If the government intervenes in a market, how should it intervene?
      In a way that maximizes overall social wellbeing
    • To what extent is public ownership of assets and businesses warranted?
      To the extent that it ceases to be harmful to the overall health of society
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  15. oh, yeah, the Riemann hypothesis by straponego · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was going to do that this weekend, but, with one thing and another... Tell you what, remind me Friday.

  16. Re:What actually has to be done to solve problems? by AuMatar · · Score: 3, Funny

    I would start by dividing both sides by P, leaving the solution: N=1.

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  17. Not "easy" but "facile". by ChameleonDave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't believe that got modded "Informative" when the exact opposite is true. People, "Informative" does not mean "echoing my own beliefs".

    Let's just look at the first empty thing said:

    • What is the proper size and scope of government?
      No larger than necessary

    That's a pointless truism. In this context, proper=necessary. So, you have essentially said that the proper size is the proper size, giving zero information. Even a fascist believes that the state shouldn't be larger than necessary — they just believe that a totalitarian police state is necessary for order.

    Perhaps if someone asks you what size USB connector is the proper one to go in a certain digital camera you will answer "One no larger or smaller than necessary". What a way to avoid answering a question whilst convincing airheads that you have done so!

  18. Re:One of the problems taken from wikipedia in eco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    What is the proper size and scope of government?

    That's easy. It's the government that maximizes the probability of human survival.
    If there is more than one maxima, it is the one that maximizes human achievement.
    If there are still multiple solutions, it is the one that maximizes human happiness.
    Finally, pick the smallest government that will accomplish this.

    Now you only have to solve for survival, achievement, and happiness.

  19. Re:It's official. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mathematicians are not scientists and mathematics is not science. Science does experiments and analyzes data to reach conclusions. Mathematics (at the most fundamental level) postulates certain axioms, creates definitions of mathematical objects, and then comes to conclusions about those objects based on the fundemental axioms and definitions. The processes are completely different.

    -A mathematics grad student

  20. I've been working on something similar, feedback? by chrisgagne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Take a look at open-source software. It's collaborative, usually high-quality, and responsive to people's wants and needs. Apache and Linux, for instance, are two prime examples of how people coming together can do quite a bit in the world, even if in a limited way. Other fields of pursuit have an opportunity to capitalize the lessons learned in the software industry. Applying some of these lessons to the nonprofit sector could result in a greater net impact for society. It is possible to apply ingenuity to hundreds of real-world problems if we have a collaborative organizational structure. We've seen a couple of examples. For instance, look at http://openprosthetics.org/. This group has applied the open-source model to design better prosthetics, and a few of their prototypes are better than anything currently available on the market. I've been working on researching this topic for the last three years. Here's my story: In December of '03, I read an article in the New York Times about the World Bank Development Marketplace. A group of farmers in Zimbabwe struggled with a herd of elephants trampling their crops. With a $108,000 grant from the bank, they discovered that planting chili peppers around their crops deterred the elephants and provided a valuable cash crop. I asked a friend, Sandy, what she would do to prevent elephants from eating her crops. Pulling from her childhood experience, she suggested without coaching that the farmers plant marigolds around their crops. After all, marigolds kept the deer out of her vegetable patch! Perhaps marigolds would not deter an elephant. Suppose, then, that Sandy were a member of an online group hosted by Usenet newsgroups, Yahoo! Groups, or Google Groups, seeking a solution to the elephant problem. I am certain that she would have made a similar suggestion, and that the group probably would have recognized both its strengths and weaknesses. There is no guarantee, however, that this group would include the botanist, zoologist, or ecologist necessary to explore this seed of an idea. Let's then consider another recent innovation, the social network. One such network, Friendster, has a good search engine that permits finding people based on their interests. 210 people in my "network" have botany as an interest. 252 people enjoy elephants. 17 like Zimbabwe. Over 1,000 are interested in sustainable development. Might any of them be willing to spend five minutes to answer, "Are there any plants elephants don't like?" Over the last three years, I've developed a site called Cerbumi.org ("to brainstorm" in Esperanto) that combine these two tools. A carefully-designed mailing list system allows for rapid real-time discussion and brainstorming, while a flexible membership database allows project facilitators and other members to find expert advice. Built-in reputation-scoring and availability tools allow members to dictate clearly how willing they are to respond to certain kinds of inquires, and to whom. An executive summary is located at http://about.cerbumi.org/executiveSummary, and a Flash-based demonstration is located at http://cerbumi.org/flash/. What are your thoughts? Do you think this is a useful tool? Would you be willing to spend a few minutes of your time working on various projects?

  21. Good old joke by JFMulder · · Score: 2

    On the list of unsolved problems, there's N = NP . I'm browsing at +3 here, so I don't know if someone already made the joke and it has been modded down to oblivion because it has been told so many times before, but I'll always remember when the teacher asked in class "Is P = NP" and some guy who probably read the joke online said "Yes, P = NP if N = 1".

  22. Re:One of the problems taken from wikipedia in eco by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Trivial" might have been an exaggeration, but the point remains: if economic resources are nearly superabundant, you can devote a lot more people to tasks like proving mathematical theorems, and more importantly, you will have better mathematical training. It's true that you don't really need lots of economic resources* to prove Fermat's Last Theorem, as anyone can in theory, arrive at the answer. It just helps immensely.

    *I don't want to say "money", because what's important is what the money lays a claim to. You seem to be equating money with wealth, which is emphatically not the case. Wealth is what people value; money is an intermediate good in the exchange of wealth. You can easily create more money, but you can not easily create the value of the things it lays claim to. Having the right political/economic system is what I believe would have the largest long term wealth on the ability to provide wealth -- the things people value.

  23. Re:What actually has to be done to solve problems? by loserMcloser · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you divide both sides by P you are throwing away the possibility that P=0.

    The proper thing to do is to manipulate it as

    P=NP
    P-NP=0
    (1-N)P=0

    => P=0 or N=1

  24. union of international associations by Loconut1389 · · Score: 2, Funny

    could also be worded as "Association of International Associations". Hm. The department of redundancy department anyone?

  25. They forgot one very very important problem needin by 3seas · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... to be solved....

    How to make reliable electronic voting machines.

  26. Re:That's easy by LordLucless · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yep. So you should stop basing your morality on the principle that absolute freedom is the pinnacle of goodness. Absolute freedom is functionally equivalent to anarchy.

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  27. Re:colours! by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A lot of people have wondered this (it's a fairly famous philosophical question), and I think the answer is... it's not a valid question to even ask. There's no such thing as "color", it's simply what we choose to name the signals that come from our eyes. It's like asking whether two people perceive the sensation of a needle prick versus a blunt strike in the same way. Do you percieve what I think of as a needle prick as a blunt strike? Of course not, because we've named the physical sensations as what they are -- sharp pain versus dull pain.

    Same with color. The color "blue" is perceived as "that which causes the blue photoreceptors to be stimulated". There is nothing that literally turns "blue" in your mind that might turn "green" in my mind. We both have blue and green photoreceptors, and we both name the signals in the same way.

    Bottom line, the whole question means nothing.

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  28. Re:colours! by bjorniac · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is actually answered by Wittgenstein (amongst others) - it's actually not that complicated. You just associate a word with an input into your mind (the sky is blue). Now, all human eyes work the same way, so if you swapped George and Fred's eyes, they would see the same things. Likewise with visual cortices.

    However, inside the mind, you're actually into linguistics - what is perception of "blue" other than seeing something that is blue? Well, "blue" is just a word, I could call blue "bleu" and green "vert" being perverse (or French, if you please). Do the French see different colours to us? Well, that would seem silly, so the logical recourse is that the name of the word is but a name. All we can know of the mind of someone else (barring psychic powers, and other science fictions) is the response that is given by a person - they tell you that they see blue, or a certain (set of) neuron(s) fires.

    Similar things have been done with birdsong - do all birds hear song the same way. Well, so far as it is ever going to be possible to know (above assumptions about psychic powers made), yes. They have the same reaction.

    Now, I know that this may not be satisfactory, but for those who know a little mathematics, you could call them identical up to isomorphism - if you give two things a complete set of inputs and they output the exact same thing as one another for each, you call them isomorphic (or identical). In that case human brains are identical.

    See: http://acp.eugraph.com/news/news03/margoliash.html and various others for the bird references.

  29. The Gettier problem by mdsolar · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The Getties problem came up as an unsolved problem in epistemology, the theory of knowledge. It looks like a problem in unknown knowns to get my former boss backwards. It is listed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsolved_problems_in_ philosophy.

    [T]wo men, Smith and Jones, who are awaiting the results of their applications for the same job. Each man has ten coins in his pocket. Smith has excellent reasons to believe that Jones will get the job and, furthermore, knows that Jones has ten coins in his pocket (he recently counted them). From this Smith infers, "the man who will get the job has ten coins in his pocket." However, Smith is unaware that he has ten coins in his own pocket. Furthermore, Smith, not Jones, is going to get the job. While Smith has strong evidence to believe that Jones will get the job, he is wrong. Smith has a justified true belief that a man with ten coins in his pocket will get the job; however, according to Gettier, Smith does not know that a man with ten coins in his pocket will get the job, because Smith's belief is "...true in virtue of the number of coins in Smith's pocket, while Smith does not know how many coins are in Smith's pocket, and bases his belief...on a count of the coins in Jones's pocket, whom he falsely believes to be the man who will get the job."

    This seems to have something to do with the answer I sometimes give my son when he ask how to spell a word and I answer "With letters."

    The problem looks to me to be one of degenerate labeling when passing by reference. Basically, if Smith wants to believe something about people with coins in their pockets he is getting the answer to the question: some people have applied for a job, will one of them get it? If you redirect by the number of coins in a pocket, but you have not checked that this is a unique label, then the question ends up meaning something other than you think it means. The statement about the man with ten coins getting the job is true for the same reason that "A or not A" is true. Regardless of coins, there is no knowledge about the answer to the apparent question (who will be offered the job) until the decision has been made, and since neither Smith nor Jones make that decision, thay can't know its outcome till they are told.

    If anyone has worked on this I'd like to hear if this solution has already been discounted.
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    1. Re:The Gettier problem by Whiteox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Everything I've read in response to your initial post clarifies the problem of objectivity. To simplify- Just because Smith believes something to be true, even by 'real evidence' (Jones's 10 coins), can mean that:

      1. It really is false - Jones WILL be employed
      2. It is true - Smith will be employed
      3. It doesn't matter who gets employed as both have met the same condition for employment.

      That is a sub-set, independently existing without regard to the real knowledge of the criteria or the objective truth. To say that Smith has objective truth is thus wrong, even though he (and we as witness) knows it is 'justified knowledge'.

      Don't read too much into Gettier, as it was only a tool to try and circumvent 'faith'.

      This restates the problem in a simpler form:

      Whiteox: "I know there is a God. I have proof! I have justifiable knowledge that God exists"
      MDSolar; "That's nice. I'm happy for you."

      So when God opens up the heavens and makes them both realise that God exists (without faith) - then objective truth be known.

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  30. Re:Does software count? by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Constraints could be added as needed, including "type" constraints. It would be flexible that way. Plus, the static model is hard to write "meta" features with. And it could be useful for quick prototyping.

    One example is a relational GUI system. Different widgets have different attributes. Either you make an entity for each widget, or you make the attributes dynamic. Existing RDBMS don't handle this problem very well, and that is perhaps why we have crap like DOM. If relational tools were more flexible, then DOM wouldn't exist.

  31. Re:I've been working on something similar, feedbac by justinlee37 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Paragraphs, man, paragraphs!

  32. Re:What actually has to be done to solve problems? by A.K.A_Magnet · · Score: 2, Informative

    You look for a P (polynomial) solution to a problem being known as NP-Complete (ie, in the NP class). Those problems (aka "hard" problems) have a best known algorithm of non-polynomial complexity (ie, the time to compute the algorithm is non-polynomial in function of the entry, making it impossible to compute for high values of the entry). It has been proven that if you find an algorithm of polynomial complexity for a problem of the NP class, then P=NP (because you could then transform any non-polynomial algorithm into an equivalent polynomial algorithm the same way you did in the first place). All it takes is to find *ONE* algorithm of polynomial complexity/time for an NP problem. The problem is, nobody has been able to find any, and people have been searching for quite some time now :) (that's why everybody thinks P!=NP). Good luck proving P=NP then ;)

  33. What is Music? by Philip+Dorrell · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What happens inside our minds when we listen to music? Why does enjoying music or being able to enjoy music make us have more grandchildren? What is the formula for calculating musicality?

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    Music: a super-stimulus for the perception of musicality. Musicality: a perceived aspect of speech.
  34. Re:One of the problems taken from wikipedia in eco by asc99c · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A non-mathematician has no shot at proving FLT or Poincare or the Riemann hypothesis.

    I think the point is that with super-abundant resources, there would simply be more mathematicians. At present, intelligent people who would have a shot are going into fields like business, law, accountancy - fields where they can make money now. Maths can't compete with the salaries here, and unless you prove one of the dozen problems with a giant award waiting, you're not going to be a millionaire.

    If resources were enough that this just didn't matter, I think you'd naturally get a lot more people involved in this sort of thinking profession with no guaranteed payoff at the end.