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Study Show Link Between IT Sabotage, Work Behavior

narramissic writes "According to recent research by the U.S. military and CERT, workers who sabotage corporate systems are almost always IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly."

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  1. An ounce of prevention by suso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Interesting article. Unfortunately since most companies never wise up about security, its probably in the companies best interest to recognize the needs of IT workers instead of being even more paranoid about them. I used to work as a system administrator at a company where most of us where disgruntled due to the lack of progress of the company and poor leadership, then things got worse when the new owner of the company stopped trusting the admins for no good reason. This created a situation where long time employees started taking the attitude of "This company wouldn't survive for a month without me here". Amazingly, companies like this do survive the departure of their best employees.

    1. Re:An ounce of prevention by qzulla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Survive or become successful? A major difference.

      qz

    2. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who cares if they are disgruntled... I got a new company BMW 7 series for my 1st quarter bonus~ Does your company give out a "sociopathic manager of the year" award, too?

      Don't worry. I guarantee you'll regret being such an jerk to people when you're passing middle age and you've got mountains of "stuff" to your name but not a real friend in the world.
    3. Re:An ounce of prevention by bladesjester · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The following exerpt from the article is pretty telling:
      Macleod concluded: "So as far as doing the right thing, I'd suggest that you start from the basis that your IT staff are the biggest risk to your organization's security, and if anyone of them disputes this, remember that arguing with colleagues was one of the clear signs of an impending attack."

      Basically, if management accuses IT of being a huge risk, and their IT staff is actually honest and dependable, should they stand up for themselves, that's a sign that you should trust them even less??

      Give me a freaking break.

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    4. Re:An ounce of prevention by tacocat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is bunk.

      How many disgruntled Automotive Industries went on a shooting spree and NEVER gave any signs? Most. Same for the classic Postal Workers...

      And what about the guy in Office Space?

    5. Re:An ounce of prevention by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You should assume witches are the biggest risk to your organizational security.

      If any of the witches in your organization denies being a witch, remember that arguing with colleagues about it is one of the clear signs of impending witchcraft.

    6. Re:An ounce of prevention by maetenloch · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is bunk. How many disgruntled Automotive Industries went on a shooting spree and NEVER gave any signs? Most. Same for the classic Postal Workers... And what about the guy in Office Space?
      Actually when they've investigated, it turns almost every disgruntled shooter DID give signs beforehand. It was just that most co-workers, manager, and neighbors ignored the signs or were clueless that they were significant. People almost never just 'snap' and become violent - usually there's a predictable series of escalating steps that they go through before that point. There's an excellent book, "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin De Becker, that goes into how to predict who will become violent at work. One of his main points is that when we find someone 'creepy', it's actually an early warning system that they're likely to be a danger. However due to social conditioning, people usually ignore their gut feelings which is a mistake. He also helped develop the model that the Secret Service uses to decide whether people who have made threats are probably harmless or likely to eventually commit violence.
    7. Re:An ounce of prevention by kimvette · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, you must be one of those new SCO employees!

      http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/0 6/21/1537215

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    8. Re:An ounce of prevention by khallow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't worry. I guarantee you'll regret being such an jerk to people when you're passing middle age and you've got mountains of "stuff" to your name but not a real friend in the world.

      That's not the choice. People of this makeup chose between having lots of stuff and no friend versus having few things and no friends. Maybe they'll wise up enough to regret being a jerk, but it's not a given IMHO.
    9. Re:An ounce of prevention by db32 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uhm...most people do give warning signs, the fact that they are ignored doesn't mean they weren't there. Of coarse everyone interviewed says "Well he seemed nice and stable, we had no idea" That is likely because they didn't talk to that person more than the bare minimum required to get the job done. As aweful of a concept as it seems to be these days, its called getting involved with your people. It IS the supervisors responsibility to know more about his subordinates than just job performance, its called leadership, as opposed to management. You manage things, you lead people.

      The funny thing is, this same mentality rears its ugly head EVERYWHERE. Kids on drugs, doing pornos, running away, violent crimes...are the video games the problem or uninvolved parents? Have you ever lived in a neighborhood where everyone was at least familiar with eachother and the norms for the area? (Who is that guy driving around..., Wasn't little johnny over there a minute ago?, I thought the Smith's were on vacation.) If I did something stupid somewhere my parents knew about it by the time I got home.

      Get involved with the people around you, you would be surprised what you will learn about them. It is no surprise it is getting worse, uninvolved parents teach their kids to be uninvolved too. Uninvolved supervisors teach their subordinates to be uninvolved. Its a cascading thing.

      FYI, that guy in Office Space was an actor, so really the signs of him losing it were the script telling him to lose it. But Falling Down is another good movie along those lines anyways :)

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    10. Re:An ounce of prevention by Opie812 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You can't take your friends with you, either.

      I am. (Don't tell them that though...they may not go for the idea)

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    11. Re:An ounce of prevention by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And what about cause and effect?

      If you've got the kind of work environment that disgruntles and demotivates your employees, it's vastly more likely that one of them will be pissed off enough to steal from the company.

      I'd never do something as unprofessional as sabotage, but I've worked for companies before that made me "disgruntled" and "paranoid". Praise invariably passing up the chain and blame dripping downwards will do that to an organisation. Given this it's hardly surprising that demotivated people will "generally show up late" and "generally perform poorly". And if you're trying to do your best but your company culture mandates inefficiency and second-best alternatives, damn straight any professional worth his salt is going to "argue with colleagues" who dictate it should be done the way it's always been done rather than the way it should be done.

      But, of course, these warning signs are clearly the telltale signs of impending sabotage which warrants clamping down harder on the unhappy employee... and not... say... signs your management style and company culture is so fucked that you'd better sort it out soon or everyone's going to need watching.

      Kind of reminds me about how poor parenting, easy access to weapons and a terrible high-school culture lead to Columbine, but it was the trenchcoats and Metallica t-shirts which bore the brunt of the outrage and paranoia afterwards.

      Hmmm.

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    12. Re:An ounce of prevention by khallow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is pretty naive.

      Maybe you ought to get some experience first. I can't say much about the rest of the paragraph, but it sounds to me like your friends don't tirelessly work to bail you out of problems of your own making (eg, bar fights).

      Don't get deluded you can rely on anyone but yourself when times get tough. Pack your own parachute.

      Good advice, but we don't only want friends around when times get tough.

      For example, jobs. With two similar resumes, who is going to be taken for a position, the guy with tons of buds and a crappy car, or the professionally-dressed guy who has a neat, clean Hummer who will display a professional, corporate image for that company? If its a company who is any way going to be around in five years, it will be the guy with the H2.

      My take is that the professional-dressed guy with a crappy car and tons of buds probably will present a better professional, corporate image than the professionally-dressed basket case with the H2 who somehow can't manage to make and keep friends. The term for it is "communication skills".
    13. Re:An ounce of prevention by benzapp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One of his main points is that when we find someone 'creepy', it's actually an early warning system that they're likely to be a danger. However due to social conditioning, people usually ignore their gut feelings which is a mistake. He also helped develop the model that the Secret Service uses to decide whether people who have made threats are probably harmless or likely to eventually commit violence.

      It's deeper than that. This is fundamentally due to the religion of absolute egalitarianism.

      Think about it, "the creepy guy" is likely to not have a strong chance of being violent. I've known many creepy guys in various jobs, and to my knowledge, none of them are criminals let alone violent ones.

      Yet, 25% of black males between the ages of 18 and 35 are convicted felons. If you walk down the street and encouter a young black man, there is a strong chance he really IS a criminal. Yet, how many people reading this absolute truth feel the urge to accuse me of racism?

      The belief that prejudice is wrong has moved into every facit of life - we are enthralled with devotion to the ideal that people are innocent until proven guilty.

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    14. Re:An ounce of prevention by kabocox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't worry. I guarantee you'll regret being such an jerk to people when you're passing middle age and you've got mountains of "stuff" to your name but not a real friend in the world.

      Um, who said that his employees had to be his friends? He could have alot of outside of work friends with the same habits or toys that he has. His employees won't belong to his social set. Friends in his social circle could help in job leads or networking contacts that could help a family member start off making more than his employees ever will. Is this fair? Yeap, it is how humans have always worked. It's the expected norm that friends and family of your peer group help out your peer group while using other peer groups as needed. Don't tell me that you don't keep an ear out for your family or friends and would rather they start off making more money than the same person in India or China. How is one peer group helping its self different from any peer group helping its self. Let's face it. IT folks in general don't have the aptitude to use networking contacts to max out our income with social effort. This is why we get pissed when we see those that do have that ability making more than us or leading us. They aren't better than us. They have and use better social contacts to get where they are.

    15. Re:An ounce of prevention by xappax · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yet, 25% of black males between the ages of 18 and 35 are convicted felons....there is a strong chance he really IS a criminal.

      I can't back this up with a study (you didn't back your stat up, so it's fair game), but it seems obvious that people who post to Slashdot are several TIMES more likely to be involved in computer crime than the average American (they have a high degree of technical knowledge, and often an outsider social perspective). So I agree. Let's do away with all of this "innocent until proven guilty" shit and start seizing some Slashdotter's computers!

      I mean why should we be worried about the fact that we're being prejudiced against a group of people who are mostly innocent? The fact is that they're probabilisticly guilty because of who they are (or what sites they visit), and it's a lot easier to just assume they're guilty than wait for them to actually commit an offense. So maybe some innocent people end up getting treated like criminals because of what messageboards they post to - but come on, the alternative is having to assume everyone is innocent (regardless of whether we like them or not) unless we have actual evidence of wrongdoing!

  2. Blindingly Obvious Research Concludes Blindingly O by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think that this 'study' needs to be included on this list.

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  3. obligatory by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    workers who sabotage corporate systems are almost always IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly.

    Maybe they just want their red stapler back.

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  4. You are so fired, Joe... by aborchers · · Score: 2, Funny

    So fired...

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  5. Access by Prysorra · · Score: 4, Interesting

    *Cough* IT people are also likely to know *how* to properly sabotage computers for the maximum effect....

    1. Re:Access by mabhatter654 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      as opposed to the armies of users that "sabotage" the desktops and network resources on a daily basis?

      sure... the IT guys are the problem.

    2. Re:Access by Lehk228 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      the users fuck up one computer, or maybe even introduce a virus to their office, a malicious IT worker could be quietly poisoning backup tapes for months, or better yet, configure the backup and restore system to use encryption reading the key off a USB key plugged into the back of the machine, when he quits he takes the usb key, or wipes it, and all that data becomes a pile of useless bits

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  6. Bias? by TheSuperlative · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let's see... the study shows that people who are fired generally are considered by their employers to have performed poorly...

    This is groundbreaking!

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  7. Straight from the "No sh*t Sherlock" Department: by All_One_Mind · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow. That's odd. I would've figured IT workers who sabotage corporate systems would be the workers who are happy, secure, generally show up on time, work well with colleagues, and generally perform superbly. Goes to show you that logic doesn't always pay off. (I'm ready for the Troll/Flamebait mod guys :)

  8. Well, all that may be true... by varmint+jerky · · Score: 5, Funny

    but I also happen to be far too lazy to do any of that shit.

  9. Tamping down management paranoia by ewg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the point of this study is that management doesn't have to be paranoid about normal IT people abusing the trust the organization has placed in them. The people truly likely to cause harm will broadcast that fact clearly in advance through egregious behavior.

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  10. half sight by glas_gow · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they'd turned up on time, were cordial with their colleagues and performed better, they'd never have been caught.

  11. Yeah, so? by LibertineR · · Score: 5, Funny
    "almost always IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly."

    Disgrutled = Forced to install Notes
    Paranoid = Forced to sit next to Notes Server all day waiting for the memory leak to take over
    Late = Due to sleep deprevation from having to go in at 2am to reboot the Notes Server
    Argumentative = Caught whispering "Exchange, bitches." under his breath
    Poor Performer = Changed Cert ID password to "Fuck Notes"

    Whats not to understand?

    1. Re:Yeah, so? by eebly · · Score: 4, Funny

      Disgruntled = Forced to install Exchange.
      Paranoid = Forced to recheck Exchange database
      Late = Had to stay up all night while Exchange tested databases
      Argumentative = Caught whispering 'Postfix, bitches'
      Poor Performer = Changed Exchange password to 'kill me now'

      What's not to understand?

      (I've never worked with Notes, so it could be as bad as you say, but I've worked with Exchange 2K and 2K3, and yup, it's painful).

    2. Re:Yeah, so? by davecarlotub · · Score: 2, Funny

      Executive VP: My Lotus Notes is slow
      Me: You have a 16 gigabyte mail file with 20,000 unread messages in your inbox and 100+ folders
      Executive VP: What's a gigabyte?

      All day, everyday

    3. Re:Yeah, so? by Architect_sasyr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Disgruntled = Forced to use Exchange
      Paranoid = Afraid Someone will find out about said exchange
      Late = Lack of sleep due to World Of Warcraft / Late night programming session
      Argumentative = "We don't need a new gazillion dollar server"
      Poor Performer = Did 30 jobs in a week and missed the KPI level by 1 as each job was bigger than the beancounters.

      I would have thought these were the traits of a GOOD sysadmin...

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    4. Re:Yeah, so? by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do you stick to stating specific technical details, or do you sometimes point out that it is running as fast as it is going to run on the systems you have with that volume of information? Sometimes the obvious...isn't; if he isn't making the connection and you aren't providing it...

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  12. Of course, the flip side by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 3, Informative

    The flip side is that the fastest way for management to make a worker into someone who's disgruntled, paranoid, shows up late, argues all the time and performs poorly is to treat them like a potential problem. You're giving people privileged access, either you trust them and thus don't need to worry until after they start showing obvious signs, or you don't trust them in which case why are you giving them privileged access in the first place?

    To be honest, I think if you have to worry about abuse of privileged access after termination then you have a more fundamental problem that no access-management system will solve. After all, if you can't trust someone to behave professionally after you've given them their 2-weeks' notice then what makes you think you can trust them to behave professionally before that?

  13. Yeah but... by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The openly disgruntled will cause trouble when they leave.

    the quiet meek ones will come in with automatic weapons and start "cutting expenses" when they leave.

    I fear the quiet meek ones. They frighten me.

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  14. Re:Straight from the "No sh*t Sherlock" Department by Panaflex · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, I think those are just symptoms of some nasty disease. If you've got people like that onboard - it's important to find out the causes and do what can be done to improve their workday.

    I had a boss at (insert large corporation) who disrespected me, never allowed me to be challenged, set me up on a doomed project on my second week of work with people who didn't understand the business - and generally pissed me off. I was cussed out by the CIO and his Italian mobster friend who claimed to be a business manager.

    After the second month I would have fit into most of those categories - simply because of the experience I'd had. I decided that my boss didn't deserve anything other than what was in my job description. I proceeded to immerse myself in the codebase, business, and financials. After a couple of months I was answering questions in meetings which the original developers didn't even know.

    There on out, I involved myself in other projects, got involved in design and generally worked my way past my boss - though he was still my boss until he was layed off.

    In the end, I was one of the architects. All the people who made my life miserable were fired, left, or otherwise shown the door. They caused millions of dollars in losses - and I made the company millions.

    Moral of the story: Sometimes it's management.

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  15. Work with both, then post by LibertineR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you ever worked with Notes, you would thank Microsoft everyday for Exchange.

    1. Re:Work with both, then post by LibertineR · · Score: 4, Funny

      Notes: The only application for which there is not enough RAM on Planet Earth.

    2. Re:Work with both, then post by Grail · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And if you've worked with both, you'll realise how much easier life is with neither.

  16. Re:No way! by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting
    No, it says...

    The research suggests that potential troublemakers should be easy to spot. Nearly all the cases of cybercrime investigated were carried out by people who were "disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly." How exactly does that make these people easy to spot? What distinguishes them from anyone else fired from an IT position?
    This article stinks.

    Macleod concluded: "So as far as doing the right thing, I'd suggest that you start from the basis that your IT staff are the biggest risk to your organization's security, and if anyone of them disputes this, remember that arguing with colleagues was one of the clear signs of an impending attack. I wouldn't recommend taking that attitude with ANY branch of your organization unless you're looking for a fight. Oh no! I might be one of them!
  17. Thinly veiled ad by Knytefall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The last few paragraphs of the article are more-or-less unedited PR hype from a vendor:

    "According to security management vendor Calum Macleod of Cyber-Ark..Macleod's solution is password management....'If privileged password management is not on your shopping list in 2007 it may already be too late.'"

    This is preceded with a 'people who say you shouldn't buy my product may already be criminals':

    "'if anyone of them disputes this, remember that arguing with colleagues was one of the clear signs of an impending attack.'"

    I can't believe this ran! This reporter was shockingly lazy.

  18. Best to stay on top of any unrest... by djupedal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I believe we've all seen this recent memo from HR, to all IT department staff: 'Floggings will continue until morale improves!'

    But seriously, you could swap IT for any discipline and come up with the same bullet-point: "Study Shows Link Between Grounds Keeping Sabotage, Work Behavior" - so what's the point? Just because I hold your entire work history in my shaky, sweaty hands doesn't mean I will automatically go postal and cause trouble for you and your unborn grandchildren. A cafeteria worker can spit in the soup. A parking security wanker can key your new Astro. A disgruntled department head can arbitrarily black mark a borderline performance appraisal.

    Screw this generalized dust-kickup of a 'study' and go talk to anyone you think just needs someone to listen. If they tell you they "can't talk...busy...voices said time to clean my guns", then you might want to restrict their security access for a while. Otherwise, treat them like humans and stop watching for signs the sky is getting ready to fall.

  19. Oh really? by EXMSFT · · Score: 4, Funny

    And I said, I don't care if they lay me off either, because I told, I told Bill that if they move my desk one more time, then, then I'm, I'm quitting, I'm going to quit. And, and I told Don too, because they've moved my desk four times already this year, and I used to be over by the window, and I could see the squirrels, and they were married, but then, they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn't bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and it's not okay because if they take my stapler then I'll set the building on fire...

  20. useless by oohshiny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    According to the research, 86 percent of those who committed cybercrimes held ...

    That's nearly useless information. By analogy, nearly 100% of rapists are male, yet very few males are actually rapists.

  21. what about work treatment? by bzipitidoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What about workers who are routinely abused? Workers who are pushed to make themselves desperate (financially desperate, usually) to keep the job so they can be treated like slaves, and who are then forced to work long hours for no extra pay because they're salaried, constantly threatened with termination, blamed for problems but denied power to deal with them, and so on, did the study account for that? Doesn't look like the study did. Study talks about "work behavior" but not "work treatment", as if companies have no effect on whether a worker would want to sabotage something.

    Ignoring signs-- signs such as a person coming in late who had always come in on time in the past-- is a sure invitation to trouble. People who feel they can't communicate one way will communicate another way. Maybe before concluding that someone who is causing "trouble" better be escorted off the premises in handcuffs before they can do real damage, management ought to try a few other things first. Like, listen in such a way that workers feel they can speak openly. And removing the temptation. If a nuclear missile could be launched with the push of one button, it probably would've happened. Good thing the missiles require several keys, codes, and such like.

    This study strikes me as narrow.

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  22. Smart enough? by alshithead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those who are capable of wrecking systems thoroughly are usually also smart enough not to show signs that they are willing to do so... The ones who grumble and complain need to be shown the door before they wreak havoc or, pacify them. It's the non-complainers you need to make sure are really happy because if they're not...you could be screwed.

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  23. Mandatory Holy Grail by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 4, Funny

    BEDEVERE:
    Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.

    VILLAGER #1:
    Are there?
    VILLAGER #2:
    Ah?
    VILLAGER #1:
    What are they?
    CROWD:
    Tell us! Tell us!...
    BEDEVERE:
    Tell me. What do you do with witches?
    VILLAGER #2:
    Burn!
    VILLAGER #1:
    Burn!
    CROWD:
    Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...
    BEDEVERE:
    And what do you burn apart from witches?
    VILLAGER #1:
    More witches!

  24. Security huh! by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Funny

    I got pissed off with what someone said so I deleted that blue 'e' on my computer. Now the whole internet has been destroyed.

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  25. indeed... here is yet another anecdote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a sysadmin/webmaster at a small company I was involved in the infrastructure and in daily stuff that made money, like doing websites for the company's customers.

    At one point I was drawn into an "argument" with colleagues over two things:

    1) they needed a new box to run the firewall on. Owners wanted to postpone indefinitely. Sysadmin pressed his point. CEO suspected sabotage or other agenda... in spite of having had a prior avoidable firewall failure take down the network. He decided the sysadmin was crying wolf, or worse.

    2): graphic designers and marketing people had proposed, priced and designed a website concept without consulting the guy who was going to code it. There were problems in the executability of the design and an underbid situation.

    A technical problem that could be solved with a technical approach, if there were trust. Once again, sysadmin/webmaster "argued" for another approach on technical grounds. Answer: defenses, emotionalism, circle the wagons.

    Net result of both contentions: emotionalism, accusations; sysadmin forced to resign.

    The firewall did have a hardware failure after about six months; the website proposal flopped and the company lost their major client's web work. Satisfaction for the sysadmin? H**l no. There are no winners in something like this. You need to work with people you can trust and who trust you. This untrusted crap is destroying the very idea of "a good job" and consuming businesses and relationships from within.

    You have to be able to air the relative merits of various technical approaches in a respectful, professional way so that what's rational and feasible emerges.

    If this is "arguing with colleagues", resulting in an immediate security red-flag and dismissal... how can you have peer review or objective discussions? Worse still, it means we've descended into a totalitarian workplace.

  26. Pop psych bull setting up suits for major disaster by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see... the study shows that people who are fired generally are considered by their employers to have performed poorly...

    This is groundbreaking!


    And while we're at it: How many employees who do NOT sabotage corporate systems "are disgruntled", "are paranoid", "generally show up late", and/or "argue with colleagues"?

    Last time I looked:

      - A large fraction of the best IT people often work late, for any or all of several reasons: They prefer it, they need to work when load is light to minimize impact on business processes, fixing what the users broke during the day skews the time of their peak workload to later than that of the mainstream users, etc.

    They often work more than a normal workday - but they'd have to work two shifts every day and only take time out for sleep, in order to come in bright and early to impress the suits who read this "study". But any sane IT professional will take advantage of flex time and come in late instead.

    Programmers and other IT professionals coming in late has been a stereotype since computers used vacuum tubes. (I know because I was there and was one of many who created it. B-) )

      - "Argue with colleagues"? Maybe yes-maning works in the executive suite. But when a crew of experts is chasing down a problem there will be a slew of hypotheses tried and discarded, with different workers coming up with different hypotheses and evidence to falsify them. To an outsider this looks like an argument, when it's actually progress. Experts will also often have differing opinions and will discuss them - ditto.

    (I recall one company where upper-level executives quietly added themselves to an engineering internal mailing list. There we discussed the latest problems - often heatedly - until they were solved. When one was solved the traffic on THAT problem stopped cold and another would take its place. To the suits it looked like a disaster, when in fact the project was on time, within budget, exceeding targets, and still looked like it would have been a quantum leap when delivered - if the company hadn't suddenly shut it down...)

    - "disgruntled"? With the continuing budget shortfalls, IT resource expansion always lagging company growth, lusers opening virus email, ... I have yet to meet a "gruntled" IT professional.

    - "paranoid"? (I presume we're talking the folk etymology, not clinical paranoia.) IT, like other forms of engineering, is an exercise in staying at least one step ahead of Murphy's Law. If an IT professional isn't "paranoid" he's not doing his job.

    Watch the suits who saw this start canning their best IT people - zero-notice style. (That's where the employee arrives at work to find his cardkey doesn't work his passwords are rescinded, and he is escorted to HR where he is handed two weeks pay in lieu of notice, a box containing anything from his desk that the company didn't think was theirs, and a threatening document in lawyerese, and then kicked out of the building.)

    And of course the fired employees will be blamed when the network starts to go to hell when the remaining people can't apply duct tape and chewing gum fast enough or the next rash of malware gets past the firewall.

    = = = =

    This reminds me of the "profiles" of school-age mass-murderers: They're always described as loners and introverts who don't get along with others in their school. In other words, just like all the nerds who get pounded on by the jocks and snubbed by the cheerleaders and queen-bees and react by withdrawing from contact with the "beautiful people" cliques. And every time one of these "studies" come out the administrators (generally former "beautiful people" themselves) dump on the nerds and side with the jocks that much more...

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  27. Oh so true. by twitter · · Score: 2, Funny

    Careful, making cynical comments like that may negatively affect your career prospects. Don't want to get labled as a whiner, people might think your planning to nuke the servers and fire you.

    Especially if your bosses who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly.

    Oh no!

    This story really needs to be filed under, "The best way to improve moral is to fire all the unhappy people."

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  28. Yeah, I'd buy something from this guy....NOT by JakiChan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So as far as doing the right thing, I'd suggest that you start from the basis that your IT staff are the biggest risk to your organization's security, and if anyone of them disputes this, remember that arguing with colleagues was one of the clear signs of an impending attack. Gotta love the logic here. Even if I *was* shopping for password management tools I wouldn't buy one from that guy just based on that statement.
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  29. Theory "X" Lives... by wtansill · · Score: 3, Informative

    As long as you treat your staff as the enemy, they will be... http://www.accel-team.com/human_relations/hrels_03 _mcgregor.html

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  30. Interesting, I can think of a few more..... by krunk7 · · Score: 2, Funny
    I would be willing to bet the following are also true:
    1. Auto mechanics are the most likely to swindle you out of money for unnecessary auto repairs
    2. Cashiers are the most likely to steal from cash registers
    3. Doctors are, by a vast majority, the most likely culprits of malpractice
    4. And, of course, killers are almost assuredly responsible for most murders
  31. Well... by catdevnull · · Score: 2, Funny

    At the risk of being obvious or redundant--

    Aren't the IT people the only ones who smart enough to sabotage IT systems?

    I mean, those smug assholes up on the 42nd floor don't give a shit about how hard we work just to help them print their e-mail. We'll see how smug they are when....

    oh...wait...

    [BOFH]

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  32. Re:Article is pointless and obvious by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

    Only skillful sysadmins can screw up your systems beyond recovery

    But if there is a nine year old girl who understands UNIX handy you should be ok.

  33. Prevention not the issue - green-eyeshade mgmt is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This 'virtuous cycle' is a good reason to stay out of corporate IT at American companies.

    If you're with a rare IT group that has good relations with the business unit, and can collaboratively prioritize projects so you're not reacting all the time, stick with them, and let them know why. Otherwise, find a company who directly sells your software product, or services around that. Firms that only indirectly depend on you will screw you every time.

    Corporate IT is just a cost center, at most companies, and the CIO will never get adequate resources if they report through Finance. This problem is especially bad in health care and insurance firms.

    Consider corporate management, who generally didn't have either the inclination or the intellectual capacity to get a REAL technology degree, and don't get ongoing technology training. They secretly resent that they are dependent on "technology folks" - who they don't understand - for the companies operations (and survival, when things go wrong).

    And now, imagine you're a company like TJX (parent company of TJ Maxx and Marshall's), who have inappropriately retained credit card numbers, then had a security breach. They have NO IDEA how many people's numbers were lost.

    It's natural to look to IT as a scapegoat, when it's their own boneheaded prioritization that put information security last.

  34. Perhaps for some... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "IT espically, they are a dime a dozen andthere is 6 of them out there waiting to take the one job."

    That's because people go into IT because "they heard it was a good field to get into".

    The people who are good at IT are hard to replace and are usually rewarded that way. There's no doubt that when you break into the field it's rough. But that's when you distinguish yourself. Your hard work didn't stop the day you graduated from a university... oh wait... you didn't go to a University?

    Okay, let's start at the beginning:

    1) The IT field is littered with has-been's, wanna-be's and never-was-es. Don't be one of those. How?
    2) Show a commitment. Get a degree from a University. Doesn't matter what it is; if you're smart, you turn that to your advantage. If you want to be involved in the business, get a degree in business with a lot of programming courses. If you want to be involved primarily in the bits and bytes, get a degree more closely related to Computer Science. Information Management can be useful too, although the too are not at all similar. I have a computer science degree, my wife has an information management degree. I'm the director of architecture at a fortune 1000, she's a program manager at a fortune 2000.
    3) Where's the Sysadmin paths? Unfortunately, the days of the Unix Admin with infinite knowledge have all passed. Well, not all. There are a few old timers left. God bless them, love them to death. They're really smart, and those last few guys get paid a lot. The rest? A dead end job. It puts food on the table. It's better than working at Wal-Mart.
    4) All the good jobs in IT require that you start as a programmer. No exceptions. If you're not good at programming, you don't belong in IT.
    5) Set your sights on moving up. You don't want to be the 45 year old programmer. Not unless you're so good that people just leave you alone to develop. If you're not sure you're that good, then you aren't. If you are that good, you can tell because your boss never hassles you about your hours, or anything. They let you alone because you're the goose laying the golden egg. God bless you. You are the heart and soul of this industry.
    6) You've got to pay your dues in IT, and you may move around some. Changing jobs every 9 months guarantees you'll be a 50 year old programmer some day who knows VB6 really well and suddenly finds themselves without work.
    7) Get better all the time. Read read read. Be energetic.
    8) Understand the business you're in. Unless you aspire to #5. Push for ways to improve the business. And that doesn't include suggesting changes to the SCM.
    9) Develop a 6th sense about what will help your career. Usually that goes hand in hand with helping the business but not always. When the two diverge, it might be time to leave. You don't want to be the 60 year old programmer who is good at FORTRAN on VAX. If I have to explain this to you, then you shouldn't be looking for a job in IT.
    10) If you don't love this field, if you don't go into work in the morning because you can't imagine not doing it, then you don't belong in this field.

    1. Re:Perhaps for some... by notbob · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think you hit some really good points but completely missed the correct mindset to have for the general populace.

      I'm the director of operations for our company and definately would not hire you with that attitude.

      IT is NOT about University Degrees, sorry but 9 out of 10 people that go to college for this industry are the ones who don't belong here. Naturals are the best in this industry plain and simple, the kid who goes home every day and spends 6 hours a night learning on his own are the ones with the true talent that companies need to survive. A college kid can draw me a pretty diagram of a solution and slap a lot of fancy names to it but a natural will have already finished the project and gone back to playing quake and would just assume not be bothered.

      Some people actually enjoy programming, yeah I know a shock, guess what there's people that work in factories that are happy too. Not everyone needs to be shooting for the managers job, hell that would be a bad move for most people out there. Management is good for people who are good managers. Good IT person is not necessarily a good IT Manager.

      Thats great that you work for a fortune 1000, that is if you like that kind of job. I've worked in everything from small to fortune 500 companies, and frankly the best experiences we're to be had in the smaller organizations. Only 1 place in my life did I ever have a problem getting hired due to lack of a degree, Cintas wanted to hire me out of a contracting gig I was there on but couldn't because someone in HR demanded a college degree to do the job I'd been doing already for over 6 months. Funny how the kid without the degree is good enough to pay consulting hourly rates for but you won't hire on for less money as an employee, yeah thats bright thinking...

      Things are no way near as cut and dry as you make them sound, everyone gets ahead in life in their own way, and each of us has a different idea of sucess. You're idea of sucess is to play corporate games to get to the top, many people in IT are just happy to work with the technology and enjoy programming, others just like the fact they can get away with more being in IT. I could care less how late a sysadmin is to work as long as everything is working, a good sysadmin shouldn't have to show up very often.

  35. It's just statistics by msobkow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... almost always IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly.

    Here I thought that:

    • Disgrunted meant you weren't happy with unstable systems that require hand-holding.
    • Paranoia meant that you give a damn about system security, intrusion detection, logging to enable counter-intrusion measures, etc.
    • Showing up late meant you were handling the pager calls.
    • Arguing with colleagues meant you care about your job and system quality.

    So most good IT people fit the profile, but maybe the last point is valid. :p

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  36. It doesn't work that way by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does your company give out a "sociopathic manager of the year" award, too?

    Don't worry. I guarantee you'll regret being such an jerk to people when you're passing middle age and you've got mountains of "stuff" to your name but not a real friend in the world.


    _If_ he's a sociopath (you can't diagnose that from just one message), it just doesn't work that way. You're making the usual mistake of assuming that all humans are essentially, well, equally human and you only need appeal to someone's humanity/feelings/moral-sense/flash-of-enlightenme nt to thaw even the coldest heart. We like to think that assholes are just the result of some trauma making them retreat behind a facade of callousness, and it only takes some emotional argument to get them out of that shell. Which makes great for great novels movies, but isn't what psychiatry tells us.

    Sociopathy is, simply put, completely lacking the empathy and connection to other humans. It's being the only human in a single-player world full of generic NPCs. They're not your peers, they don't matter, their feelings don't matter, they're there just to be used, abused, manipulated, lied to, whatever gets you closer to your objectives.

    Think of your relationship to NPCs in a computer game. Do you really care what that generic NPC in Oblivion or GTA feels or thinks? Do you care if he/she had a bad day, or if his/her kid is sick? Would you feel any sense of accomplishment of having him/her as a friend? Would you feel bad for clicking on a complete lie dialogue choice just to finish a quest? Would you even really think of them as a "he" or a "she", or more along the lines of "it"? I mean, don't be silly, it's just a game and just a scripted NPC. Right?

    Well, in a nutshell that's the kind of world that a sociopath lives in. You can't even be seen as a friend by one. You're at most a sucker to be used for a purpose, even if that purpose is a few minutes of entertainment.

    So expecting that one would wake up one day and think "man, I wasted my life, I should have made friends" is naive. That's the kind of notion that doesn't even compute in their world. Or not for the same meaning of "friend" that you'd use.
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  37. This is really stupid!! by snero3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know that a lot of you out there will be thinking, "hell ya, it is managements fault we are treating like this so lets get back at them but destroying their systems."

    Believe me guys that is not the case, the only people you hurt are your co-workers. I joined a company where a lot of the Admin stuff were fired. Some of them left nice little surprises that went off a couple of days later. Guess who was there until 3am in the morning putting everything back together? I can tell you it wasn't the managers. I can also tell you that those guys that got fired lost many good friends the day they did that and a lot of hard earned respect. Most of them are still looking for jobs a year later as NO ONE from their previous job (which many had held for 6+ years) will give them a good reference anymore because of their actions.

    So my point is that if you are pissed off at management then complain or leave. Don't destroy things as it only hurts your co-workers not management.

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  38. Who says you have to be smart to sabotage? by beerdini · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sure if you're talking about sabotage as in taking time to plan out something that causes harm to the system, you probably have to be in IT and pretty smart, or you can take a basic approach. You know that owner/supervisor or whatever higher up that thinks that they are so important that they need full system access...give it to them. I've had to recover a system after one of the higher ups decided that they didn't need want a system directory folder anymore and decided to delete it. Needless to say after that an audit was performed on the system to see who had rights to things that they shouldn't have, and I finally had the approval to apply the restricted rights policy that I'd been advocating for months.

  39. On the flip side... by Phleg · · Score: 2, Informative
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