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Atom Smasher May Create "Black Saturns"

David Shiga writes "If we ever make black holes on Earth, they might be much stranger objects than the star-swallowing monsters known to exist in space. According to a new theory, any black hole that pops out of the Large Hadron Collider under construction in Switzerland might be surrounded by a black ring — forming a microscopic 'black Saturn'. This could happen if extra dimensions exist, as string theory suggests, and if they are large enough." An evocative excerpt from the article: "...there is an outside chance that in a few years in a tunnel near Geneva, physicists will make a black hole far smaller than a proton and circled by a squashed four-dimensional black doughnut."

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  1. 4D black donut? by bunions · · Score: 5, Funny

    mmmmmmmmmmmm, higher dimensional.

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    1. Re:4D black donut? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Think of all the bad science fiction that could result from this.

      "Captain! The warp drive just farted out a quad dimensional donut, possibly chocalate with cherry filling."

    2. Re:4D black donut? by DrEldarion · · Score: 3, Funny

      you gotta be up to your ass in trans-dimensional monster guts first to prove you earned it!

      Knee deep in the dead, perhaps?

  2. Pic from article by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Re:Pic from article by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 4, Funny

      Here's a better picture: .

      Note: Image has been heavily magnified.

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  3. Ringed black hole by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't read the fine article because CyberSitter blocks it. However, I did remember an article a while back that changed the way black holes were perceived to operate.

    Hm. Maybe google will help me to remember what it was. Oh yes. There it is. Darn. CyberSitter blocks loading that page. I know, user prefs, threshold 5. There we go. Now I can at least see the summary. Click, read, yep, that's the one I remember. Now, Samir Mathur, I remember a very nice .pdf showing his original hand-drawn representation along with some of the mathematical principles behind the whole "there is no true event horizon" hypothesis. Where was that? Ah. There we go.

    Someone please tell me how the current article lines up with these from years past. Please try to do so without profanity so that I can click my comment and read the reply without CyberSitter dumping the page.

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  4. Mmmmmmm universe! by Synesthesiatic · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wait, so Homer was right about the donut shaped universe? Damn Hawking, always taking credit for other people's ideas!

    1. Re:Mmmmmmm universe! by Chess+Piece+Face · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hawking: I call it a Hawking Hole.

      Fry: No fair! I saw it first!

      Hawking: Who is The Journal Of Quantum Physics going to believe?

  5. Re:You know all those unexplained gamma-ray bursts by nizo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Then suddenly global warming won't seem like such a big deal?

  6. Re:Now wait a minute.. by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 4, Funny

    We are the String Theorists. You will be assimilated. Resistance is non-dimensionable!

  7. Re:Dangerous mini-black-hole by GFree · · Score: 3, Funny

    I suppose it would be funny to see the Moon or Mars get sucked into nothingness after a catastrophic black hole test. Would be even funnier if one made a "sluuuuuup!" noise as one watched it suck up on itself.

    Then the Cyberdemons would invade. Doom had black holes on Mars didn't they? My memory is fuzzy.

  8. Even more dangerous, the LHC could create... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the dreaded Black Uranus.

    That is something you don't want anywhere near you.

  9. Re:mmmm by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Funny

    It has to do with quantum moderation - a post can be in multiple states at once (offtopic/funny) until you look at it, then it takes assumes one and only one.

  10. Re:mmmm by kypper · · Score: 5, Funny

    I feel my chances of getting laid drop with every chuckle at this joke.

  11. There is a very low chance of a much larger hole by postbigbang · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you think Lake Geneva and Lake Constance are large, wait until you see Lake Switzerland.

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  12. Re:Dangerous mini-black-hole by monopole · · Score: 3, Funny

    I always wondered why they added the event horizon nullifier in swiss army knives!

  13. Re:Now wait a minute.. by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Funny

    Because it doesn't go like that. The way it goes is:

    A. Mr String Theory, can you give me some predictions so I can test this?
    B. Well, no, waffle, waffle, waffle, waffle.
    C. No, seriously, give me some predictions already.
    D. Ok, here ya go, how about this?
    E. That's fine, I'll go test that... hey, turns out my experiment gave me different results to your predictions.
    F. Yes, that's right, String Theory doesn't just prediction what happens in the 4 spatial dimensions, it also has extra dimensions, which you can't observe, and my predictions are correct there.
    G. I can't observe your predictions, so they're right?
    H. That's correct.
    I. Uh huh... got any predictions that I can observe and if my experiment differs from you would agree your theory is wrong?
    J. No! All predictions come with this cavaete.
    K. Well that's just psuedoscience.
    L. No, it's descriptive.
    M. And pointless.
    N. Is not.
    O. Is so.
    P. Is not.
    Q. Is so.
    R. Is not infinity!
    S. Is not infinity + 1!
    T. You can't add one to infinity.
    U. Can so.
    V. Can not.
    W. Can so.
    X. Can not.
    Y. Can so.
    Z. If you don't mind, I'm busy working out complicated equations that can't reliably predict anything you can observe.. good day.

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