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Sen. Ted Stevens Introduces "Son of DOPA"
DJCacophony writes "Ted 'series of tubes' Stevens has introduced a bill, going by the interim name S.49, that aims to block access to interactive websites from schools and libraries. The wording of the bill is vague enough to apply to Wikipedia, MySpace (and other social networking sites), and potentially even to blogs. The bill is apparently so similar to the failed Deleting Online Predators Act of last year that it has been termed 'Son of DOPA' by some." Stevens introduced S.49, the text of which is not yet available, on the opening day of the legislative session.
Dammit Alaska, will y'all do something about that guy sometime soon?
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It's right here (PDF).
Do the Slashdot editors not know how to find stuff on Al Gore's Tubes of Internets?
...he engaged his mouth before using his brain.
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Yeah, because the bandwidth from all these interweb pages is clogging the tubes. I mean, just yesterday, my staff sent me an internet...
There is no mod option "-1: Disagree" for a reason. "Overrated" is not an acceptable substitute. Post something instead.
if the idiot was actually smart he would keep libraries out of it since adults have full rights and therefore this law would be unconstitutional. He would have a better chance arguing for blocking only at school which takes place anyway.
Well we wouldn't want anyone actually LEARNING but using the Internet, would we? I particularly find it offensive when non-porn, sexually-related material is blocked from the very people who could use that information the most.
Hope it passes. After someone adds an amendment stating that it only applies to Alaska.
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Stevens introduced S.49... on the opening day of the legislative session.
Yes, because it's just that important. There really is no other crisis or issue which needs legislative attention before this. At least someone is thinking of the children. *rolls eyes*
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It will be the end of Flash advertisements, javascript and other "interactive" tools. Heck, I won't have to waste hours and hours learning AJAX for Web 2.0 because I would want my sites to be able to be seen in schools and libraries.
Wait...my local library has an interactive catalog. Would they have to block themselves? They probably should already turn themselves in. They have a subscription to Playboy and I'm sure there are countless books that have "porn" in them teaching kids about sex.
...under the guise of protecting children. Bloody typical. The fact that anyone can walk into a public library and post their uncensored views of the government, politicians, policy, business, etc... is "dangerous". This is why the internet is destined to become just another medium like television where you only consume and are limited in what you can produce and how many hearts and minds you can reach. Unless you fight things like Son of DOPA. This is the typical approach in many segments today. Take something that you REALLY want to enforce on people that they would likely balk at if they really understood it, then attach it to some "noble cause". Make sure that the noble cause is something that makes it easy to paint the opposition as "pro-evil". And you win.
-"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
Where do bills like this come from? Surely, anybody who actually uses and understands these websites would never propose such a thing. Is there some massive, lobbying corporation out there who stands to gain a fortune by the blocking of web 2.0? (Maybe Microsoft Encarta is behind this!!!!) Or is this just a pathetic case of "won't somebody please think of the children?"
Return of the son of Deleting Online Predators Act.
Nice to see the feds aren't immune to the same bullshit stunts Illinois and Georgia tried to pull.
...when politicians come up with laws restricting... well, anything.
I just wonder why there's so much support for laws restricting freedom in the land of the free. Or was that rewritten and nobody told me?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Thanks to last year's election, Stevens has a lot less power than he used to... And we're all the better for it...
I can't find a "Ted Stephens blocked my tubes!" t-shirt on Thinkgeek yet.
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Any principal with half a brain is already blocking access during school hours. It's a distraction at best, and a potential source of lawsuits by parents when the students themselves use such sites for bullying or gang-related activity.
Ever heard of the Tenth Amendment, Ted? Just goes to show that the GOP is no longer the party of smaller constitutional government.
This wont be mandatory. The article states that only if you get money from the government would you have to do this. Some Libraries (like the one i work for) dont get money from the government or the state government so it wont apply to us. please read the article before going crazy.
I understand a lot of child molesters use public washrooms to attack kids in, so we should ban access to public washrooms. Come to think of it, most kids are molested by members of their own families, so clearly we should ban families. Heck, I once heard that a molester drove a volkswagen, so hell, lets ban them too.
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I mean, how did we who are a generation older figure it out? My library didn't have internet... we snuck into the adult section and looked at anatomy/sex books before the girls let us into their pants.
Secede - I'm sure Canada would be glad to have you. Heck, with 3 As in your name there's no way they'd refuse!
It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
The library here in La Jolla is already halfway there thanks to a little program called CyberSitter. 90% of everything I click on results in "IE cannot display this page" though, sometimes, if I click reload enough times I'm able to recieve enough page text and click stop before CyberSitter receives whatever part of the page it is which causes the page to be dumped.
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Every time this old crank or any of his fellow Senators wastes time with these fake "child protection" systems that screw adults instead of actually protecting children, they leave children actually exposed to the real threats. And their sneaky smokescreens using children as "human shields" from criticism of their sweeping attacks on American liberty makes it even harder to trust any plan offered to actually protect these people.
All they do is damage everyone. Delete Stevens and his technocrat cronies.
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Alaskans might like that. There's always a secession movement going on, but it's usually because the rest of the country passes laws like this, not t'other way around. Alaska is a strange mix of independent, liberal, conservative, and crackhead -- and that pretty much defines every single person. It's just the ratio of the mix that changes.
I miss Alaska. It's the best state in the union, and deserves better than Stevens and Murkowski (father and daughter).
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Please read the article. The library will only need to follow those rules if they get federal funding. A library does not have to get the funding. Here at the huntington Library we dont receive any state or federal funding so we dont have to filter if we dont want
Why don't they just introduce a bill that blocks the internet (Or internets, since we're dealing with politicians) and be done with it?
I'm in a Government Program Called Job Corps, I'm in Comp Tech to get my A+ Cert, so i can get a good job, thing is that bill is insane! that would block our main info for computer parts, try finding (in the same place) what the 8086 was and the meaning to DDR2..... Oh well, Proxys around here are so common, i can just use those
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The good news about ridiculous legislation like this is that it has little or no chance of actually passing. The extreme level of stupidity should be apparent to most average law-school graduates / politicians. Then again, that's what I thought about DMCA.
The rules may be draconian, but it seems fair enough. Plenty of libraries and schools aren't federally funded, and the people who fund those can make their own decisions.
I'd like to see them shut the internet right off in public schools, except for maybe "internet class". It's just a giant source of bullshit. Another crutch that teachers can use instead of teaching - send the kids online to "research".
Tangent: Wikipedia has no place in a school. It's only good at illustrating how the stupidest in society can always trump the masses.
When kids graduate they can find out how easily Sonic the Hedgehog could beat up a Pokemon, or how "faggy" shakespeare was.
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God, all i can say is Tubes.
TUBES!
How could anyone take this guy seriously?
"Lets ban, in school, what 90% of the tubes are for. And by tubes, I mean phone lines, which these internets are run over! If we don't block these interactive sites, that let you click on things, and view things, then out tubes will be filled! TUBES!"
Someone needs to order him a case of "for Dummies." books.
This is none of Congress's business. Butt out and let my state and local officials make the decisions I've elected them to make rather than a meddlesome and idiotic Senator from Alaska.
Webmail (Hotmail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail, etc.) services are interactive webpages, so I should think they'd technically be included in this ban. We should also include regular email too, since kids might get pornographic span or solicitations from child molesters in their school email accounts.
...some sort of mechanism to have a computer automatically read the contents of a page that was in the Tubes of the Intarweb, and then create indexes on the words contained therein, and then allow users to access those indexes via another page on the Interweb, and look for pages which contain those words.
I'll be back later, I need to go to the Patent Office.
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Most news sites have polls, blogs, comments, and messageboards. This bill would block students form going to their local newspapers site or the big sites like cnn and msnbc. Politicians are stupid.
...i think i will send a letter to my state senator asking he draft a bill blocking Ted Stevens from introducing ANY legislation regarding the Internet.
Nice troll, but I'll bite anyway. The problem isn't that the law targets sites like that, but that its scope is too broad. It would also apparently block access to legitimate sites like Wikipedia and weblogs. This is unacceptable, our government should never be allowed to expand its own powers with the promise that it will only use them for good. Doing so invites tyranny.
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Alaska's pork should be reduced in 2007 for two reasons:
1. Uncle Ted Stevens is a Republican, and the Dems have the majority in the Senate (49+1+1=51 vs. 49). Therefore, Uncle Ted isn't in the majority, and he can't use his majority status to ram things through appropriations.
2. The Senate has "eliminated" pork, known as earmarks, for this budget cycle (source). I'm sure it won't be a 100% freeze, but given that the amount of earmarked appropriations skyrocketed under the GOP-led Congress (60% increase in the past five years), it's reasonable to expect that it will be reduced dramatically -- especially to states with two Republican Senators and a Republican Representative, such as Alaska.
So, with Uncle Ted presumably bringing in less pork for the foreseeable future, will Alaskans react by electing a Dem, or will they re-elect Uncle Ted in the hopes that the GOP recapture the senate and Stevens' seniority becomes valuable locally again?
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Just out of curiosity, and I agree that the committee system seems to be broken, how else should we determine appointments?
... some sort of intelligence test would probably be best, but I'd be afraid they'd all fail.
My personal feeling is that it should be via some sort of single combat, or perhaps trial by ordeal (first one to the other side of the Potomac gets Ways and Means!)
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I find it funny how instead of believing that what needs to be done is to create an age appropriate way to educating children to recognize the threat of online predators and feel confident and comfortable talking with parents, teachers, counselors and guardians about interactions that seem questionable. Legislators think that simply blocking access to social networking online will preclude the need to raise the awareness of social predators, leaving children vulnerable. Ignorance of harm does not protect against it.... The same illogic and "easy solution" allows society to avoid creating age appropriate education for children such that they understand how wholesome fondness, affection, intimacy and adult partner commitments of love which lead to appropriate and meaningful sexual expression are missing in lude and emotionally devoid, objectification oriented pornography. Children need to understand that people take pictures and make movies about people who do not really love the person they are depicted to be engaging in sexual experiences with and that seeing this can hurt them and damage their ability to be happy and have good sexual relationships when they get older. Schools already teach various subjects related to this, so this could be added to that curriculum. But I beleive the real issue is that if children learn how to form social networks and become collective groups, they form an independent social force that is not controlled by the 3 media companies that control most media and the powers that use that media to manipulate and control society. Imagine millions of children networking and discussing and coming to an independent collective opionion about social, ecological and power structure issues. They might have a voice that is not defined by the unholy cabal (the most powerful and self serving energy, food, drugs, housing, technology, banking, transportation, chemical, defense industry, news media and other organizations that form overwhelming lobbist groups. Groups that force lawmakers to slowly rewrite law, not in the service of the public good or with the intention of improving the global ecosystem or helping to create healthier, happier, more optimally actualized citizens, but to serve their goal of market dominance and profits. This is a goal to keep american citizens devided and disempowered. It is couched as protections against harm, like war with Iraq is a protection against terrorism. We need to resist grabs for power and laws that seek to disempower and further divide human connections and collectivism. SimBuddha
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(your idea was explored humorously in a South Park episode)
In true /. fashion I did not RTFA or the text of the proposed legislation, but it's probably moot on this point anyway: I cannot imagine a way to define "interactive sites" that would yield consistent rulings when these things inevitably end up in the courts.
Does emailing blog entries to WordPress count? Reading RSS feeds of interactive content? Google groups? Google answers (may it rest in peace)? Experts-Exchange? Fedora Forums?
This is infeasible to implement, really. They'd have to start by, uh, I dunno... blocking http POST verbs? Then start whitelisting "safe" sites (those that use POSTs only for innocuous activities, whatever those might be)? That'd keep the adults out of the bad neighborhoods (and out of the library, probably). Kids will catch on quickly and find workarounds like Psiphon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psiphon) so they can, you know, continue using the library to become pedophile victims. Kids are a crafty and determined bunch, don't you know...
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A better method might be the D'Hondt method (a.k.a. Jeffeson's method), I know it is used for committee seats in Denmark. It is hard to understand, rather messy, but rarely questioned, as the results are basically fair.
T-Shirt for libertarian women:
Top: "Sen. Stevens tied my tubes"
Middle: Picture of fallopian tubes after a sterilization operation, depicted as a bunch of small 1's and 0's
Bottom: Fight Internet Censorship!
For men, same but cross-section of male vas deferens after a vasectomy.
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Ever considered running for office in Alaska? Sounds like a solid "Uncle Ted" agenda right there!
A large number of people charged in child molestation cases are NOT career child molesters and are cluttering up the sex-offender databases:
Many in the first two groups will "grow out of it" and only need to be monitored until they grow up. The opportunists in the third group are generally safe around kids as long as they don't sleep under the same roof without another adult present and the parents know the man's history. The last group is bogus they should never be charged and the silly laws changed.
As for the first 3 groups: Only a good psychological evaluation and a few years of monitoring will tell if these people belong on the sex-offender registries for the long haul. Send them to jail or juvenile hall, rehabilitate them, release and evalute them, make them register only if they are somewhat dangerous, and if they are still somewhat dangerous, re-evaluate them every year or so.
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You sound pretty proud that your library doesn't receive state or federal funding. You've posted exactly that, twice now. Just because your library isn't funded that way, doesn't mean the ones we all go to aren't. Besides, that Federal money is OUR money, and if we the people want to use it to fund libraries that don't censor, then that is our right.
Why do I get the feeling that you are just tooting your own horn here and don't really give a rat's ass about the real issue at hand? After all, not every library can be funded by a rich railroad tycoon.
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If you deliver your internet by truck, then this bill won't apply to you.
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
Ted Stevens is Deleting Online Predators Every Year.
I would like to point out that nowhere in the bill is the word "interactive" used. The particular title from the bill being referred to here wants to block social networking sites (not interactive ones). This bill becomes vague though in defining "social networking" sites.
Perhaps they should call it "Little DOPA" which could be shortened to L-DOPA, which would be so invasive as to cross the blood-brain barrier.
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This is a bit OT but surprisingly, Nebraska has seriously good telecom infrastructure despite being out "in the middle of nowhere". Especially around Omaha.
Now, think back and wonder why that is. Give up? Because of SAC. Back in the 60's, 70's, and 80's, the US Strategic Air Command operated in Omaha.
Nowadays, since SAC is shutdown, a lot of that infratructure is part of Level 3's network. To this day, they still have several fiber rings running around Omaha.
I'd vote for the DESESE (Deleting Senile Senators) act, forcing mandatory retirement for people who behave like this. I mean, the guy is incapable of even reading out a speech prepared for him by his handlers. People like Ted Stevens shouldn't be in politics anymore, they should be in an institution.
When I hear "Son of DOPA" I think "Son of Dopefish."
To me, that's effectively what this bill would do: Let's make the US into a country of Dopefish!
I'm not sure if this has been said already, but I attend a high school that blocks wikipedia, myspace, gmail, hotmail... the list goes on. Even the teachers can't access these sites. I assumed it was already standard procedure to block pages that might contain something "bad" (what's ironic, however, is the fact that we can get to nazi-propaganda sites...)
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Is it me, or are our tubes a lot stricter than others'?
Ted Stevens is a voter confirmed failure.
And due to the political power of blogs I suspect most members of congress are now smart enough and motivated enough to see right through this and kill it in short order.
Looks like they won't be able to use this then:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6364301.stm
The gist of which is a proposal to use the social networking model in the US to create "Community Response Grids" which will respond to, and compliment the emergency services.
Isn't this coming from the same state that decided to spend (read: waste) $320 million to build a bridge to a village with a population of 8,900, despite the fact that it ALREADY had a functioning ferry system already in place?
Apparently, the people in Alask are more fussy than we Kalifornians about their driving: They thought $320 million was a good price to avoid the 20 minute wait and $6 toll. We pay between $4 (Bay Bridge and $5 (Golden Gate), and wait about an hour in line, if you decide to commute at rush hour. Plus, you could probably write the $6 toll of as a cost of living expense.
So, if the entire population of the town crossed the bridge twice (to and from) every day, it would pay for itself after:
8,900 x 2 = 1780 crossings per day) = $10,680 dollars in tolls collected per day
320,000,000 / 10680 = 29962 days until cost paid off
29962 / 365 = 82.08 years until paid off, provided the entire population paid to cross the bridge every day of the year, for 82.08 years.
Now, if Alaskan senators think that that is SUCH a good idea to waste money on, then it is no wonder they are spending their time thinking up more crap legislation like this.
Maybe they want to head off any future incidents of polar bears molesting children. "Hey! It's Global Warming, stupid!"
Knowing Google's lust for data collection, the Soviet Union is still alive and well inside the psyche of Sergey Brin....
What about vans down by the river?
And free candy?
Are we going to get rid of them, too?
Hopefully I didn't put any [] around my words.
Yeah? So what if it's flamebait! It's a perfectly valid question. These people should never have this kind of power outside their jurisdictions. If they want to play these games within their localities or state, whatever, that would be fine. But an Alaskan(or pick any state) senator must not be allowed to have an effect on any other states legislation. Just like the US should not any influence over Canadian law. It is up to us to assure that their influence does not extend across state or national borders. Mr. Stevens is in Washington to look after the interests of Alaskans, not the lower 48. His influence is detrimental to the rest of us. The same goes for the rest of the people mentioned in the original post. This is unacceptable. Flamebait, BAH! Bunch of thin skinned ninnies. Anything to avoid actually discussing the matter. So typical.
What?
After a couple of "sky is falling posts" I've read, I have an alternative theory for you.
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Honestly, if it gets THAT bad, then even "normal" people will rise up. Think France a la 1700's. We are way early on the road to tyrrany and trust me, it can get MUCH worse before things change. But, if it gets too bad, we just scrap the whole thing and start over. It's been done before and it will be done again.
Uh, 20% of the Democratic Caucus is conservative democrats right now... and Sen. Webb is a Republican, or at least was until he got annoyed with Bush and the Iraq war, and it's unclear where he'll stand after the Iraq war. Dean did an AMAZING job of turning the Democratic Party back into a national party (read Zell Miller's book for how bizarre they got at writing off the South -- don't attack him, he makes a LOT of good points), but it's not a 99.8% string up the Republicans party... if it was, it wouldn't win many elections...
But the comment you've misreading isn't "punish Bush," it's the "punish Bush states."
The Daily Kos crew, and other "politics isn't a contact sport, it's a battle to the death sport" wants the Democratic Party to ATTACK government funding goals that help Republican states. You wouldn't be very happy if the Democrats first action was to pull all highway funding, social spending, etc., for the state of Georgia, while leaving it for the rest of the states.
The implication that Uncle Ted can't deliver the bacon because he's in the minority and all his projects will be cut is probably wrong, and somewhat dangerous. I'd love to see the corruption rooted out of Washington with ALL appropriations, but punishing your opponents and rewarding your friends TOO extremely is just a bad scene.
Effectively 'Rewritten' (that is to say, very 'creatively interpreted'), or openly disregarded, in many instances, yes.
The Bill of Rights was too inconvenient for the Shrubinator, so thanks to Patriot, and other absurdly dangerous legislation, they have systematically attempted to create a 'new, convenient, streamlined legislative environment' free of such cumbersome restrictions, all, they would have it, in the name of 'national security'.
To be very clear, I agree with the quote generally attributed to Benjamin Franklin:
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Who's been paying attention? Let's take a quick inventory to see where we stand.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Freedom of speech, and the right to peaceably assemble
This now appears to apply only if you're in a 'designated free-speech *zone*' far away from the Shrub, or other government officials.
Similar aggressive tactics have been employed when confronted with any public opposition to administration positions. Steven Howards was arrested for simply voicing disagreement with Administration polices during a chance meeting with Cheney during a mall photo-op. Howards was taking his son to a piano lesson, and took the time to voice his opinion.
Another example is of the peaceful protesters ejected and threatened with arrest at the Ohio State commencement where Dubya spoke, simply because they attempted to peacfully and non-disruptively express disagreement with the Shrub and his his policies.
Still another is when two women, one the wife of a Congressman, were ejected from the Capitol building, simply for wearing T-Shirts with anti-Bush slogans into the Congressional Gallery. (The article references numerous other examples, as well.)
Freedom of the Press
Mostly, journalism from major news outlets in the US appears to be in significant danger from numerous sources. While it is still possible to find information if you dig for it, many of the significant stories never make major headlines, if they even see the light of day.
The Shrub has significantly reduced press events, and when holding them, has required journalists to submit questions in advance, selecting only those questions he chooses to answer, and calling only upon reporters who agree to 'stick to script'. Rather than challenge these policies, reporters have agreed to these stipulations, resulting in chilling effect, effectively self-censorship, rather than ask questions the President didn't like, at the risk of press room access.
Concurrently, starting in 2001, regulations limiting the scope of ownership of media outlets, designed to maintain diversity of opinion, so as to prevent control of too much of the media by a small number of individuals have been systematically attacked and dismantled. The result is that now most major media outlets in the US are owned by a small number of conservatives. (This has bee
The US Constitution, Article I, Section 8, does NOT permit Congress to pass law on this subject. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constituti on.articlei.html#section8
Libertas in infinitum
We already block MySpace, and wikipedia is just about the most useless "information" site on the planet.
Creating a censored part of the Internet with limited and censored access specifically for minors is a logical thing to do. Where lazy parents are using the Internet as a 21st century babysitter isn't in appropriate for them to be able to connect to an approved for minors censored and monitored version of the Internet. If parents so choose they can then choose to allow full unfettered access to the Internet for their child.
Writing legislation trying to ban bits of the net from some of the end users is as silly as it is impossible, legislation to produce an alternate version of the Internet designed specifically for minors is the sensible way forward. With Firefox a simple extension could be added to limit the connection to 'child safe' domain addresses, obtained from a specific government approved for education, service.
The Internet is a wild and woolly place and a measure of maturity is required to deal with it.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
then banning "interactive websites" blocks many things that would be best left unbanned.
Many courses feature an online forum for discussion related to its subject matter. This kind of forum is meant to promote communication between students: you can ask questions to your peers or ask them to review a piece of your work. In language courses, it may also be used to practice writing in the language. Such a forum is provided by Blackboard, formerly WebCT, for instance.
Teachers wanting to go for a more personal touch may also put up a blog, on which students can post comments about the teacher's personality, or his/her (in)ability to explain difficult subject matter effectively; they may even ask questions for the teacher to answer in the next class. Some students don't have internet access at home due to, e.g., living in an apartment, and will want to post comments in class.
Now, the bill is still in its beta stage, and we don't know what it encompasses; we can't really criticise it, only speculate. The release candidate's wording will not be that general, I hope, and it will allow sites like these to be visited on the basis that they allow the teachers to give their courses effectively, and the students to ask questions when they have some. "Ask a question and you'll be stupid for a minute; don't ask any questions and you'll be ignorant for a lifetime", they say. It applies very well here.
P.S.: TFA seems to be propaganda against Son of DOPA more than information. Wikipedia is not geared towards being an "interactive website"; it provides information, and allows you to interact with editors by improving their work. Contrast this with MySpace and you'll see it's like comparing apples and oranges.
this one is easy to use http://www.mysecureisp.com/