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Where the PS3 Stands Now

Phil Harrison and 1up's Luke Smith had a chat about the current positioning of the PlayStation 3, and it makes for some interesting reading. A quietly confident Harrison discusses the future of game distribution online, their attitude towards competition in the console market, and clarifies a few things about the potential for PS3 price cuts. The previous discussion about price cuts was apparently a big misunderstanding. "PH: Well, do you know what [Takao Yuhara] said was, cost reduction, not price drop, and there's a big difference between cost reduction and price drop. So, that I believe is where the confusion came from. Obviously, we are investing our money in making PlayStation 3s cheaper to manufacture -- that's part of our business plan. 1UP: You're not going to pass the savings along? PH: When we can, when there are savings to pass along to the consumer, we would obviously choose to do that. That's the business model. 1UP: Wait? You guys are doing this to make money? Really? PH: That's videogame hardware 101."

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  1. Problem with PS3 release was... by blahplusplus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... lack of killer system selling game or games. It has to be said if the games were there even the high price would not be such a barrier of there really was a killer app that made people throw their financial reason to the wind.

    1. Re:Problem with PS3 release was... by Solra+Bizna · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Honestly I think that's one of the worst things that everyone always brings up. "Resistance isn't worth $660! Motorstorm isn't worth $660! VF5 isn't worth $660!" and so on. Fact: You're not going to be buying only one game for any system. If there is only one game that appeals to you right now, and you don't deem it worth $660, then it's not a good time for you to purchase the system, I agree. But how about when there are 3 games you're interested in? How about 5 or 6? 10? Where do you draw the line. At some point you need to stop asking yourself whether one game is worth $660 and look at what you'll get from the system as a whole.

      "Am I willing to pay $720 to play X and Y? What about $780 to play X, Y, and Z? $840 to play X, Y, Z, and W?"

      Clearer now?

      Me, I'd rather spend that $840 to be able to play over a dozen games on my Wii. ...Actually, I can think of much better things to spend that much money on. Like more computer hardware. You can never have enough computer hardware!

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  2. Vaporware by Cutriss · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "We have a hard drive, we have a commerce engine, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out we will have that on the network very shortly."

    Define "very shortly". The PSP was supposed to have this functionality for music over a *year* ago. It's been delayed so many times that I think people have largely forgotten about it. Sony was always talking about being able to use Sony Connect to purchase music and possibly videos on/for the PSP (in order to posture the PSP as a competitor to the iPod), but that clearly has not yet taken place. Why should the PS3 be any different?

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  3. The PS3 has it rough by Hott+of+the+World · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem is 50% perception, and 50% targeted market. Here's what I mean:

    "Perception": People see 600 - 800 dollars and no games. They see a huge Sony ego and laughable selling numbers. No one's buying it, no one wants one.

    Reality: It can be bought here in the US for as little as 499 if you want the 20GB model, and if you're patient by summer we'll have a healthy injection of new games on the PS3. They even have more demos and movie trailers available in the PS3 network for free. Games are coming, and patience is key. I'm not an apologist. This is just how new consoles tend to work.

    As for the ego, it's there. But it's not contempt for consumers, as most detractors would have you believe. It's confidence. They're saying, "we're number 1". Sony needs to be seen as confident in this console outing. You want them to say "Yeah it sucks, get an Xbox?"

    The price is out of necessity, not arrogance. They're definitely losing more per console than Microsoft. Blu-ray was a risk, but not a totally harmful one. Prices will come down and the complaining will slowly go away

    "Target market" is the other aspect that's hurting the PS3.

    Not only do people not want to drop 500-600-800 dollars on a game system, they certainly don't want to pay more for the same games. That's the problem most 360 owners see with the PS3. They can't envy it any. Pay tons more for some future exclusives? Laughable.

    The PS3 is for people who want blu-ray, PS3, PS2, and don't have a 360 already, and are willing to spend at least 500 bucks for it, probably more. That's not a great subset of people.

    With all of that, it's a testimony to the power of Sony and its future exclusives that so many people are buying the thing.

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  4. Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts by twistedsymphony · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I consider myself to be a hardcore gamer and for me the Wii novelty wore off after about 2 weeks.

    The problem for me is games like Wii sports are just lacking the depth to really hold my attention, and for games like Zelda the use of the Wii remote is just rather "meh". IMO it didn't add anything to Zelda and I would not have enjoyed the game any less using a Wavebird.

    so about a month past buying the Wii it's started collecting dust and I've gone back to playing Xbox 360 games. IMO if the Wii wants to get past being a gimmick they need games that have the compelling depth of Zelda combined with the unique and value added controller usage of Wii Sports. So far the only title that really delivers that is Trauma Center, but I've already played that title... on the DS (widescreen support would have been nice too), Red Steel was close but the buggy game mechanics killed what uniqueness the Wii Remote added to it. I'm sure they'll come but as of right now I don't consider the Wii to be much more compelling then the PS3 is right now, if anything it serves as a nice show piece and entertainer when friends and family visit, and I'm sure there will be better games down the road... right now though, and I think the same holds true for many other hardcore gamers, there just isn't enough substance.

  5. First game is here by mechapanda · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A bit of context:
    I'm a long term Sega fan, and when I first moved to Tokyo 12 years ago spent up to 3 hours a night in my local arcade playing Virtua Fighter 2, Fighting Vipers, and Virtua On Oratorio Tangram, and played all three in competition.

    The release of the Dreamcast meant that I got to get the "arcade experience" at home, Soul Calibur with the official Sega arcade controller, and Virtua On with the Twin Stick controller was the best an arcade gamer could could buy.

    Until now:)

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    Yesterday the first of the games I bought my PS3 for turned up, Virtua Fighter 5 and the Sega arcade controller.

    The controller is simply amazing, cost a fortune but an hour after unpacking it I was online ordering a second! It's currently sitting next to my Dreamcast official arcade controller which , well, looks a little tired.

    The game is purely for fight game fans, nothing here for the mass market, but for anyone who spent hours in an arcade playing the various Virtua Fighters it is an absolute must have.

    I don't want to even think about much a HDTV, PS3, and controller cost but I'm happy so it was money well spent:)

    Forget the console wars, if you are a arcade fight game fan, you need this game, the Tekken download, two Sega controllers, and a PS3. Sell blood if you have to, but get it.

  6. Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts by Rycross · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm really kind of annoyed at the number of "Collection of minigames" games that are comming out for the Wii. Wii sports was fun, dunno about long term staying power though. Thats not a dig on the game, its just my tastes.

    But then you get recommendations like Wario Ware and Raving Rabbids. More games of minigames. Theres Elebits and Zelda, and Trauma Center, but what else? Red Steel blows. I'm looking forward to Metroid Prime 3 and Smash Brothers.

    I hate to say it, but the one thing Sony Fanboy has been right about is that the lineup of Wii games have been a rather dismal succession of PS2/GC ports and minigames so far.

  7. Re:PS3 Kicking Ass On All Fronts by Rycross · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Unfortunately, I haven't seen much of that going on. Mostly just ports and "hey lets throw a bunch of nifty minigames together!" sort of games. I'm hoping this is a repeat of the DS situation, where developers took a while to get up to speed and really start making good use of the new features.