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Apple TV to be a Centrally Controlled P2P Network?

Rolgar writes "PBS' Bob Cringely theorizes that since the Apple TV will be an always-on device with a 40GB hard drive, Apple may move to content distribution via a P2P network. The ISPs will incur higher bandwidth locally, possibly lose some subscribers to cable TV, but have fewer costs through the Tier II Internet backbone providers. Bob also expects that Google will be involved with their fiber network and advertising expertise, and my hope is that they'll bundle in YouTube content as well. The article suspects that they won't get around to announcing the full details of this plan until they hit a half million units or more, and that this Apple and Google pairing will become the equivalent of a cable TV provider with almost none of the infrastructure costs. Eventually, he hopes, we'll see a real HD revolution from Apple and Google for this service." If Apple rolled something like this out to the service, would you bite on it? What would it take you to move to this over Tivo or MythTV?

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  1. No, I would not bite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >If Apple rolled something like this out to the service, would you bite on it?
    >What would it take you to move to this over Tivo or MythTV?

    I will not pay for any "service" above and beyond my normal ISP fee in order to receive content. I can get all the content I want for free just by having a connection to the internet.

    The only way I would subscribe to this service is if it was free.

  2. I'm paying for distribution now, too? by Erwos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why should I waste my bandwidth on distributing Apple's movies and music for them?

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    1. Re:I'm paying for distribution now, too? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Insightful
      This comment keeps popping up in these types of discussions but unless the company gives a rate for a direct download, and then provides a discounted rate for the P2P download, how are we, the customers, able to confirm that we are indeed getting a discount on what we download? How do we know they are not just pocketing the savings as profit? The problem is there is not sufficient transparency in this equation, and when I'm using my bandwidth that I pay for to support the business of some company, then I had sure as hell better be privy to that information.

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    2. Re:I'm paying for distribution now, too? by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You give credits on the online store for "uploads". Say 1 penny per MB (or whatever). Feed 20 songs @ 5 MB, get $1, buy a song for "full price". What could be more transparent than that?

  3. Simple. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What would it take me to move to this over MythTV? Let's see... it'd have to be FOSS by people who aren't entangled in various dealings with all the media companies, it'd have to run on Linux, and it'd have to be something I could tweak to my needs and system specs without too much trouble.

    Basically, it'd have to be MythTV.

    1. Re:Simple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Hear hear! I am personally sick and tired of the mindless pro-Apple-hype, when it is APPLE (along with Microsoft and their friends in the entertainment cartels) who are primarily responsible for a huge amount of DRM hassles that we face today.


      I moved away from Windows because I was sick of not having control over my own computer. I will NOT switch to another closed source proprietary system just because a bunch of mindless sheep have declared it to the new trendy platform over the last closed source proprietary system.

    2. Re:Simple. by sabinm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hear you. But MythTV is a pain to setup. FOSS and all, but if I can't get grabber info reliably outside of the U.S., then I'm not interested. I set up a MythTV (went with knoppmyth) and then went to actually download settings from my cable, to find out they don't have XML grabber in my country. Don't even think about 'Zap2It'. So because I didn't have grabber info, it wouldn't allow me to watch tv?!? No option to enter the channels in manually, huh? No, MythTV is still just a myth. I don't watch my cable TV as it is. If apple and google can offer the tv shows (and they do) and interactive data on a three hundred dollar box that works with me pressing the 'on' button, with RSS feeds replacing XML grabbers for show listings and recordings, then THAT is the Mythical convergence I'm looking for. And no, don't tell me that MythTV is just not mature yet and to wait. This is TV, not heart surgery. I don't have the inclination to wait for features that have been implemented on my TV for the past 25 years.

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  4. Re:In Time & On... by gladish · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The biggest problem I have with this new device is that it's only going to work with iTunes. I want to have a media distribution box (preferrably linux) streaming audio, video, and pictures to my tv and stereo. I don't want the vendor locking that apple is trying to accomplish. By the way, this is the stuff that makes me want to wear a tinfoil hat. The idea of google and apple teaming up to take over our living rooms by selling a little white box, all the while the only thing consumers are thinking of is when can I get one.

  5. Suddenly it doesn't seem like such a waste by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    $299 for a 720p (only) display extender? Meh.

    $299 for a 24/7 torrent node that replaces a PVR? Hmmm.

    I'd buy THAT for $299.

  6. Leave TiVo? No Way by Crispin+Cowan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They can have my TiVo when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

    Apple TV, from all the reports I've read, sounds spectacularly weak. I don't expect it to ever succeed.

    Conjecture: "Apple TV" is the Newton of Apple's play into the convergence market. A cute idea, nice try, but they totally blew it. Apple will likely go back to the lab and come out with something that doesn't suck so much, just as they did with the iPod.

    Crispin

  7. Not a replacement for Tivo by tattood · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The iTV is not meant to be a replacement for Tivo, at least by my understanding. Essentially what it is, is the same thing that the AirportExpress does. It allows you to stream the movies/TV shows from your PC (using iTunes) to your nice big TV instead of your computer monitor. It doesnt have a built-in tuner, so you can't watch live TV. I was really excited about it when I first saw it, but then realized that it's not a DVR.

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  8. Re:better than ... how? by siegesama · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because some people wouldn't mind getting their movies legally. You realize you've stepped far, far out of fair use, right? If you want to rip your own movies, fine, but that's not at all what you just suggested. Apple is at the head of that "updated business and distribution model" that everyone has been harping on about for a while now.

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  9. 40 GB + Hi Def? by Asten · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Somehow, I don't think a 40GB drive will suffice for storing enough HD video to have a sufficiently large P2P base.

  10. Re:I'm not falling for this scam. by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is just one idiot columnist, with a poor track record of predicting Apple's decisions, saying what he thinks Apple should do.

    Of course, if Apple had listened to him in the past they'd either be another PC manufacutrer, or just plain bankrupt.

    My tag for this article is 'makingstuffup'. That's all he's doing. Don't attach anything in this article to Apple, as if they support, endorce, or have even considered it. They haven't, as far as we know.

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  11. Moving to Apple TV by JM78 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If Apple rolled something like this out to the service, would you bite on it? What would it take you to move to this over Tivo or MythTV?

    1. Be A Free Service
    2. Support 1080p (with the way HD is advancing I want something that scales. They've currently lost this consumer with their current HD offering)
    3. Give absolute control over content once I have it - don't force me into a proprietary service of any kind or cripple it with DRM schemes.


    My 2 cents.
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  12. Stupidest troll EVER from Cringley by TrentC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The new Apple TV media extender is supposed to ship this month, perhaps even by the time you read this column, and if you are like me you are wondering what that 40-gig hard drive is doing inside. I'm guessing we won't know for sure until later this year [...]

    ...unless you listened to Jobs' Macworld Keynote or read the flurry of articles that flew around afterwards -- such as this Macworld article -- in which case you would know that the AppleTV is a glorified video iPod that can be synced with iTunes like any other iPod. (Sorry, that's not technically true; apparently the AppleTV can sync over a wireless network connection.)

    It will be interesting to hear Apple's explanation for the hard drive.

    Is he seriously unaware of the purpose of the hard drive? Can he honestly not find the AppleTV page where they discuss how the AppleTV syncs with iTunes?

    Or is this simply the most egregious example of not letting the facts -- easily-obtained facts, no less -- get in the way of his "secret answer"? I know these Cringely pieces are often light on substance and heavy on BS, but this in unbelievable...