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Godwin's Law Invoked in Linus/Gnome Spat
lisah writes "The flame wars between Linus Torvalds and the GNOME community continue to burn. Responding to Torvalds' recent claim that GNOME 'seems to be developed by interface Nazis' and that its developers believe their 'users are idiots,' a member of the Linux Foundation's Desktop Architects mailing list suggested that Torvalds use GNOME for a month before making such pronouncements. Torvalds, never one to back down from a challenge, simply turned around and submitted patches to GNOME and then told the list, '...let's see what happens to my patches. I guarantee you that they actually improve the code.' After lobbing that over the fence, Torvalds concluded his comments by saying, 'Now the question is, will people take the patches, or will they keep their heads up their arses and claim that configurability is bad, even when it makes things more logical, and code more readable.'" Linux.com and Slashdot are both owned by OSTG.
Attitude and ego. "Here's a damn big clue: the reason I find GNOME limiting is BECAUSE IT IS." Why? "Because I said so, and I'm the mom, so just shut up and eat your patches, because they are good for you, because I said so, and I guarantee it."
GUI design issues are like fashion. Some people hate plaid. Oh well. Get over it. Emacs/vi, KDE/Gnome, Linux/BSD/Solaris (if Sun really GPLs). Lots of choice, and thats a good thing. I've never understood why Linus had relevance. Has he ever done anything besides the kernel? And this means his preferences for background images should matter to me why?
Erosion of user member. GNAA (GAY I'm sick of it. FrEeBSD project, it there. Bring
"Refusing to accept what the rest of the world wants" eh? Not accepting what the rest of the world wants must be why it's the default desktop environment in the majority of Linux distros.
GNOME isn't perfect but it's hardly out of touch with what the average user wants. The average user, upon first using Linux, doesn't say "Hey! How can I set window focus to occur on mouse over instead of click? What is this rubbish?". They might say "Where the hell is modem configuration wizard?" though.
Maybe Linus doesn't know what the rest of the world wants?
(Just for good measure: shit moron fuck idiot stfu ttyl)
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Wow. Even windows power users are stupid.
What the fuck??? Really nobody is that stupid.
evil is as evil does
Linus is a kernel developer. The kind of skills it takes to develop a good kernel have little to do with the kinds of skills it takes to develop a good user interface. But Linus is hardly alone in that; the Windows and Solaris kernel developers are doing something even worse: they are designing user interface functionality into the kernel. Apparently, this kind of hubris is common among kernel developers.
Kernels are like plumbing: you want someone that keeps the hot water coming and the shit flowing, and doing that takes a certain kind of skill (although it's not rocket science). But you don't want your plumber to design your bathroom for you, tell you how to use the toilet, or even pick your colors. In fact, the best thing for plumbers and plumbing is to be entirely out of sight.
So, Linus: the smart thing for you is to keep out of UI questions. Keep the kernel going, that's all people ask of you.
Yeah... and which open source project is now being accused of being built by 'interface nazis'? Why, the same one that was built upon the same UI toolkit of the piece of software the grandparent alluded to as being built by 'interface nazis'.
Holy fucking shit, do you cunts just get dumber every year, or are there more and more French people on this forum? Probably just more tards who vote Democrat/Socialist. Really, when a party's platform is "I was for the war before I was against the war" and stupid fucking Americans still give said party 50%+ of the vote - I shouldn't be surprised. Cunt off you fucking shitbag.
I don't get the whining about gimp. To me, it looks like someone took the parts of photoshop that don't get "windowed" and "de-windowed" them. I mean what is the difference in gimp's and photoshop's gui? The wrapper/window.
Guess what? Slide that background in photoshop off the the side, and gee, you don't have access to file, edit, etc. but it looks like gimp.
BUT, in gimp, you have file, edit, etc. in two different places at all times. What is the fascination with that freaking backdrop in photoshop? Gimpshop is a poor excuse for trying to appease these crybabies who want that security blanket, but I find it a total waste. Yes, I love photoshop, but I also think gimp kicks ass. I wish gimp had more stuff like photoshop, but I do not miss the wrapper/window/security blanket/whatever you want to call it at all, and I don't see why people stay so hung up on it.
Karma: Bad is the liberal way of saying this guy won't drink the kool aid here on slash dot. I wear my Karma with pride
At least Gnome (and practically every other window manager) lets you resize your windows from any corner or edge. But on the Mac, if the resize corner happens to be off the edge of the screen, you first have to move the window onto the screen, then resize it from the lower right corner, then move it back to where you wanted it. Apple got it wrong 23 years ago, and they've had a lot of time to correct the problem, but, like Bush, they won't even acknowledge that there's a problem or admit they made a mistake. Apple is so afraid tat if they ever admitted they made a stupid blunder in their UI design, that will embolden the Windows terrorists. So they have to pretend that it's good for you to only have one resize corner.
Talk about treating your users like idiots! Gnome certainly isn't the only user interface that does that. (Click on that with your one button mouse, while trying to submit a patch to fix Apple's retarded user interface design!)
-Don
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elitist much?