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Scientists Expose Weak DNA in HIV

Ace905 writes "The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases announced Thursday that they had discovered a very promising 'weak spot' in the HIV virus. The HIV virus, a progenitor to full blown AIDS has eluded all attempts at a vaccine since it was discovered sometime in the 1970's. The major problem with developing a vaccine initially was isolating the virus. Conventional viruses are often defeated with existing drugs, or after being tested against new compounds. HIV has been unique, and staggering in it's ability to resist all attempts at treatment by mutating its own genetic code. HIV is able to resist, with great effectiveness, any drug or combination drug-therapy that is used against it."

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  1. Ah, yes, the HIV virus... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Transmitted through the sharing of unsterilized ATM machines, IC circuits, LCD displays and PIN numbers, the HIV virus is a deadly threat to humanity.

  2. Easy... by Karganeth · · Score: 4, Funny

    Attack it's weak spot for massive damage.

    1. Re:Easy... by physicsboy500 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Attack it's weak spot for massive damage.

      or better yet...

      "up, down, up, down, left, right, left, right, A, B, A, B, Select, Start"

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    2. Re:Easy... by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sweet! Now I can go to the brothel 29 times!

    3. Re:Easy... by izprince · · Score: 2, Funny

      But doesn't it resist real time weapon change?

    4. Re:Easy... by OldManAndTheC++ · · Score: 2, Funny

      Attack it's weak spot for massive damage.
               ^
          (weak spot)

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  3. Title of the story is wrong by Gufry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The story that is referenced in the BBC news article refers to the structure of an antibody binding the gp120 surface glycoprotein of HIV. This has nothing to do with 'weak' DNA. The reason why this is exciting is that the b12 region is relatively invariable, whereas most antibodies made against HIV bind variable regions of the surface glycoproteins that are prone to change from virus to virus as the genome is mutated. The majority of anti-HIV antibodies are therefore only useful against specific isolates and can be easily escaped by mutation. Antibodies against the b12 region are therefore potential vaccine candidates.

    1. Re:Title of the story is wrong by Gufry · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is highly improbable that the mutation rate in that part of the genome is lower. The b12 epitope overlaps with part of the CD4 binding site (the point of the Nature article referenced by the BBC report), it is thought to be functionally important for engaging the receptor, mutations in the region are therefore selected against. It is a weak spot in HIV's defense against the host, but not 'weak DNA' which suggests, at least to me, that the DNA is somehow brittle. At any rate, the weak spot is the accessibility of the gp120 epitope to neutralizing antibodies, and that is the weakness that people want to exploit.

    2. Re:Title of the story is wrong by picob · · Score: 5, Informative

      Antibodies against the b12 region are therefore potential vaccine candidates

      b12 is a family of human antibodies that targets this viral protein gp120. gp120 is therefore the candidate for the vaccine. For vaccines we usually just inject viral protein(s) - as we would in this case - or a weak or dead form of the virus, and let the body make the antibodies (the b12 family in this case).

      The talk about 'region' in this article probably refers to a site on the RNA of the virus: this region, encoding protein gp120, is not much changed by mutations - HIV codes genes in RNA since it's a retrovirus.

      Also, since HIV targets the immune system, when someone has AIDS - the later stages of the disease in which the immune system is broken (targeted by HIV are T-cells) - vaccination may no longer work, since the immune system is no longer capable of producing antibodies, unless the T-cell count can be brought back to a level in which antibodies can be made.
    3. Re:Title of the story is wrong by picob · · Score: 2, Informative
      yes, antibodies are produced by B-cells, but T-cells are required to enable B-cells to produce antibodies. In specific T-helper cells (CD4+) are targeted by HIV. from wiki:

      When a B cell ingests a pathogen, it attaches parts of the pathogen's proteins to a class II MHC protein. This complex is moved to the outside of the cell membrane, where it can be recognized by a T lymphocyte, which is compatible with similar structures on the cell membrane of a B lymphocyte. If the B cell and T cell structures match, the T lymphocyte activates the B lymphocyte, which produces antibodies against the bits of pathogen, called antigen, it has presented on its surface.
      source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_cell

      pathogen - something that makes ill: a virus, bacterium, etc.
      MHC - a family of proteins:
      MHC class II is specific for B-cells and presents pathogenic proteins.

      When the pathogen is presented on the B-cell membrane, the T-cells provide growth factors for B-cells that enable B-cell cell division, B-cells take up antibody bound to antigen, and therefore are able to present more antigen when their antibodies match better. In this process the antibodies are perfected (mutations can occur in regions encoding parts of the antibody).

      Although a bit of topic, MHC class I is a surface protein that works as an ID to the immune system: it is unique per person, and presents proteins on the membrane surface that were trashed after use - proteins that were active inside the cell. MHC I shows to the immune system that the cell belongs to that person and the presenting of used proteins show whether they are in correct working order. Due to this protein, cancer cells are usually recognized and killed by the immune system in early stages. MHC molecules are also a reason why organ transplantation may fail.
  4. Great, but... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How many "this could be the cure for AIDS/Cancer/Virginity" articles get posted on /. every month?

    I'll believe it when the treatment actually gets used to eradicate the disease.

    Guess I'll go back to holding my breath.

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  5. Fact check? by yellowstone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The HIV virus [...] was discovered sometime in the 1970's
    The first case of AIDS was reported in 1981; the HIV virus was discovered in 1983 (reference) One day you kids will learn all those super-secret ways of finding stuff on teh intraweb...
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    1. Re:Fact check? by DrKyle · · Score: 4, Informative
      Also:

      Scientists Expose Weak DNA in HIV

      This is about finding a stable surface protein on the surface of HIV which may be a good target for the production of an antigen which would elicit a stable immune response as a number of people have antibodies which target the same site. This has nothing to do with DNA, the submitter is just biologically illiterate.
    2. Re:Fact check? by elyons · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also, HIV is a retrovirus. For this family of viruses, their genome spends the majority of its time, and especially as an infectious particle, as RNA. It is only after infraction does its genome get replicated into DNA (through a process known as reverse transcription using a virally encoding RNA dependent DNA polymerase known as reverse transcriptase.) After being copied into DNA, the pro-virus is then inserted into the host's genome where RNA molecules are made (transcribed) to make viral proteins and full length copies of its genome for packaging into new infectious viral particles. This is a very import aspect of the virus' life-cycle and has many implications for some of the anti-retroviral therapies on the market.

    3. Re:Fact check? by elyons · · Score: 2

      Agreed! However, I learned about it 8 years ago as an undergrad. For some more interesting current research, have you heard about the link between retro-transposons (the epitome of the selfish gene -- the human genome DNA content is roughly 10% of these guy and ~50% transposons in general. Contrast this to the 1.5% of the human genome that encodes for proteins.) and retro-viruses? In a nut shell, retro-transposons and retro-viruses are the same critter, but retro-transposons have lost their env gene that is required for extracellular travel. In any case, scientists last year were able to recreate an infectious form of a retro-transposon/non-functional retrovirus (HERV-K). Very cool (as slightly frightening stuff!) If interested, here is the abstract from their paper:

      Identification of an infectious progenitor for the multiple-copy HERV-K human endogenous retroelements

      Marie Dewannieux1,3, Francis Harper2,4, Aurélien Richaud1,4, Claire Letzelter1, David Ribet1, Gérard Pierron2, and Thierry Heidmann1,5

      Human Endogenous Retroviruses are expected to be the remnants of ancestral infections of primates by active retroviruses that have thereafter been transmitted in a Mendelian fashion. Here, we derived in silico the sequence of the putative ancestral "progenitor" element of one of the most recently amplified family--the HERV-K family--and constructed it. This element, Phoenix, produces viral particles that disclose all of the structural and functional properties of a bona-fide retrovirus, can infect mammalian, including human, cells, and integrate with the exact signature of the presently found endogenous HERV-K progeny. We also show that this element amplifies via an extracellular pathway involving reinfection, at variance with the non-LTR-retrotransposons (LINEs, SINEs) or LTR-retrotransposons, thus recapitulating ex vivo the molecular events responsible for its dissemination in the host genomes. We also show that in vitro recombinations among present-day human HERV-K (also known as ERVK) loci can similarly generate functional HERV-K elements, indicating that human cells still have the potential to produce infectious retroviruses.

  6. what BS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Conventional viruses are often defeated with existing drugs, or after being tested against new compounds

    Not at all. Viruses are extremely, extremely difficult to defeat. There is a reason cold & flu are still around.

    How many drugs are effective against viruses? Very, very few.

    1. Re:what BS... by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So how much has the life expectancy of an HIV+ individual increased since the use of combination antiviral drug therapy?

            Life expectancy has increased a great deal, with one catch. You need 98% compliance to the treatment regimen. Be sure not to miss too many doses either now or 20 years from now, or you WILL develop AIDS.

      why are governments around the world scrambling to stockpile tamiflu?

            Because a drowning man will clutch at a straw, and it's better to be seen doing "something" than doing "nothing". Tamiflu is not particularly effective against H5N1 influenza.

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  7. AIDS was discovered in 1981 by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 3, Informative

    The article summary needs further assistance. AIDS was identified in 1981.

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    1. Re:AIDS was discovered in 1981 by hey · · Score: 2, Funny

      You trust Wikipedia more than the BBC?

    2. Re:AIDS was discovered in 1981 by capebretonsux · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're partly right. It was in 1981 when the disease was discovered/recognized. It was 1982 when the CDC renamed the disease 'AIDS'. Before that, it was known as GRID. (Gay-Related Immune Deficiency) The causitive virus itself wasn't discovered until 1983, and wasn't renamed 'HIV' until 1986.

      (Splitting hairs, I know, but it's early and I haven't had my coffee yet...)

    3. Re:AIDS was discovered in 1981 by karnal · · Score: 2, Informative

      At first I thought you were joking - the name "Gay-Related Immune Deficiency" just sounded made up. Turns out I'm mistaken:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Related_Immune_Di sease

      Link works, Slash puts the space in for display purposes.....

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  8. Re:isn't this just anthrophomorphism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, pretending that HIV "does" things intentionally to avoid vaccination is highly misleading. The problem is that viruses in general replicate quickly, and HIV in particular mutates very quickly from one generation to the next, while remaining viable. This lets an infection explore the parameter space of possible genotypes very fast. To be effective, a treatment needs to target some relatively stable feature of the virus, and eliminate the virus faster than the population can mutate away from that vulnerability. Unfortunately, HIV usually wins on both counts.

  9. Choose wisely by Joebert · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Over 30 years & only a single weak spot is discovered.
    Do you destroy it, or learn to get it to work in your favor ?

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  10. Why is it... by MsGeek · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...that when I RTFA, the only thing I could think of was the Yavin briefing on the Death Star?

    "Great shot, kid, that was one-in-a-million!"

    God, I'm geeky...

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  11. Re:The "HIV Virus"? by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    From the article:

    They have published an atomic-level image in Nature showing the antibody, b12, attacking part of a protein on surface of the virus.

    So, yes it has been published - and Nature is a top-tier journal.

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  12. Not DNA, RNA by theshibboleth · · Score: 4, Informative

    HIV is a retrovirus so any weak spots would be found in the RNA, not the nonexistent DNA. Interestingly, the BBC decided to sidestep this issue by not mentioning any nucleic acids at all.

  13. You mean... by istartedi · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean this vast plague upon mankind has a single point of failure? Wow! They really are close then. I suggest two possible courses of action from here: 1. Figure out how to plug a Powerbook into it, then type furiously. 2. Fly along the equator of the virus at top speed and fire into its exhaust port.

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    1. Re:You mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      fire into its exhaust port

      Er... isn't this supposedly the cause of the problem, at least according to Fox news?

  14. Re:AIDS was discovered in 1981... err 1983/84 by Foamy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When it comes to reporting on biological sciences, I trust my dog Fido more than I trust the BBC.

    1. The BBC article linked says nothing about HIV being discovered in the 1970. RTFA.

    2. HIV was discovered in the 1983/1984 timeframe. Who discovered it first is the basis of a long standing dispute between Robert Gallo and Luc Montagnier. Google it.

  15. Once we have the cure... by FatSean · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...we'll release the virus into the population and all the fundamentalists who won't let their children take Guardasil and the AIDS vaccine will watch their genetic line dead-end! That's what you wanted to hear from this god-less progressive thinker, right? Silly trolls.

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  16. Re:The HIV virus has actually never been seen...so by Unc-70 · · Score: 4, Informative

    What do you mean 'HIV has never been seen...'? That's just not true

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  17. The HIV virus HAS been seen, many times. by Mutatis+Mutandis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Only wish you were not serious, but sadly, apparently you are. Which raises the question how people actually can believe such utter and complete nonsense?

    The HIV virus has not been seen by the eye or by light microscopy, as it is only 110 to 140 nanometer in diameter and below practical optical resolution. Although a group at the university of Chicago has been able to visualize something of its behavior by fluorescently tagging it. Of course then it is just a bright dot. However, HIV has been visualized numerous times by electron microscopy, both transmission EM and scanning EM. We also have structures of many of the proteins that constitute the HIV virus, from X-ray crystallography. There are still gaps in our knowledge of the structure of HIV, but in fact it is now much better documented than many other viruses. We also have tens of thousands of genome sequences, partial or whole, of the HIV virus.

    We know that HIV causes AIDS. We know that drugs that block the replication cycle of HIV can prevent AIDS, at least for some years. We know how many of these drugs dock on the proteins of HIV. We know how the virus can develop resistance to these drugs, because we can find the patterns in the genome of the virus. We can predict a patient's future health by studying the genome of the virus. We know what mutations in which locations on which proteins are responsible for resistance. We know that if you give drugs with better profile against resistant viruses to people who have failed treatment, they can suppress the symptoms of AIDS. We know that amount of viruses and of CD4 positive immune cells that are destroyed by HIV, correlates with a patient's health. We know why a few lucky people can carry HIV for a long time without developing AIDS, and which mutations in the human genome are responsible for that. By now, HIV must nearly be the best characterized of all human viruses, although it is a difficult target.

    So please, please, refrain from repeating a myth. This is not just some innocent scientific confusion. Ultimately, stories like this do have the potential to kill people, and if you repeat them, you are making yourself an accessory to murder.

  18. Re:HIV's Dirty Little Secret by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Informative

    More specifically, HIV is a retrovirus. This means that as a standalone virus it contains RNA, but when it enters a cell, it uses reverse transcriptase to transcribe its RNA sequence into the equivalent DNA strand, which the cell's normal transcription/translation mechanism picks up and turns into the proteins and RNA that make the virus work.

    It's the reverse transcription process that has a high error rate, which is why HIV's rate of mutation is so high. This results in a lot of nonviable DNA, but the virus takes years to work anyway. Eventually, some of these mutations result in a change in the proteins that are attacked by the various HIV drugs so that those drugs no longer work.

    As for whether your statement about knowledge in treating various types of viruses is true or not, I don't know, but scientists do know an awful lot about HIV in particular. Each drug is meant to target a specific protein coded by the virus's genome. Being able to use drugs to target a "weak spot" (a spot that is brittle versus mutation) in the genome directly would be a major coup against the virus. This would be a great application for the grid computing mentioned in an earlier /. article.

  19. Re:The HIV virus has actually never been seen...so by moosejaw99 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I should have added to my post... Do no flame if you haven't seen the doc. I couldn't believe it myself...However I verified the facts and have questioned many experts on the subject. Please show me a photo of HIV, and not a computer model guessing what it looks like. Please show me the original study showing that HIV is the cause of AIDS. You won't be able to because they don't exist. Watch the show, and take the word of the experts who speak about it. Don't shoot the messenger. Also..this is only my second or third post on all of slashdot, so please don't confuse me with someone else.

  20. Re:The HIV virus has been sequenced by brit74 · · Score: 2, Informative

    > If you explore these areas, and find out that the HIV has actually never been seen, just the antibodies...

    Uh, right. You know that the we've sequenced the HIV virus, right? Not only has it been sequenced, but it's been sequenced so many times that we can see the evolution of it's genetic code over time, and can tell which people infected which people. We can tell that the "Libyan seven" are innocent. We can tell that HIV evolved from SIV (the simian version of HIV) multiple times.

    Re: Libyan Seven
    "By looking at the genome sequence of the virus found in children at Bambino Gesu hospital, we established that the estimated date of the most common recent ancestor for each cluster predated March 1998, sometimes by several years."
    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1974 040,00.html

    "The story revolves around Dr. David Acer, a Florida dentist who died in 1990 from complications of AIDS. Dr. Acer's death would have been far from remarkable at the time -- the AIDS epidemic was quite visible by the late 1980s, and one death earned no more attention than any other. Dr. Acer's story, however, extends beyond his private life and into his practice. You see, Dr. Acer had multiple patients that had been diagnosed as infected with HIV within a couple of years of his death." Sequence analysis of HIV in his patients shows that he infected his patients.
    http://scienceblogs.com/evolgen/2006/06/phylogeny_ friday_9_june_2006_1.php

  21. Re:AIDS was discovered in 1981... err 1983/84 by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Regarding your 2nd point, and your "err, 1983/84", please allow me to disambiguate.

    The Wikipedia article refers to the discovery of AIDS, which is the modern label applied to the clusters of disease cases with similar histories and symptoms which first identified (apparently) in 1981, although it seems some doctors and researchers were aware of unusual disease clusters for a few years leading up to that point. Recognition of AIDS as a disease led to researchers looking for a cause, which led to the subsequent discovery of the HIV virus. In any case, all of this activity took place in the 1980s within a few years, not "sometime in the 1970's".

    This page includes some audio clips from interviews with some of the researchers: NIH researchers discuss the history of AIDS.

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  22. Re:The HIV virus has actually never been seen...so by zCyl · · Score: 3, Informative

    Please show me a photo of HIV

    one
    two
    three
    four ...

    They're not exactly tough to dig up these days if you know how to use google, so I must assume that you did not even do a rudimentary search for yourself before believing that documentary you watched.
  23. Ignorance is *not* a virtue by meosborne · · Score: 2

    Your comment is not witty. It merely demonstrates profound ignorance about a disease that primarily affects non-homosexuals and non-drug-abusers worldwide.