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Creating Power From Wasted Heat

Roland Piquepaille writes "Today, about 90 percent of the world's electricity is created through an indirect and inefficient conversion of heat. It is estimated that two thirds of the heat used by thermoelectric converters are wasted and released. But now, researchers from the University of California at Berkeley have found a new way to convert this wasted heat into electricity by trapping organic molecules between metal nanoparticles. So far, this method of creating electricity creation is in its very early stage, but if it can scale up to mass production it may lead to a new and inexpensive source of energy."

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  1. New source of power ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is this "a new source of power" ? it's just improving efficiency by reducing loss.

    1. Re:New source of power ? by Fordiman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're exactly right. But the common man doesn't understand 'efficiency gains' as something significant. Perceptually, people don't get how much energy is lost to waste heat.

      I mean, hell. If this works well, it could be used as a component in hybrid vehicles; they only have 25% efficiency on the gasoline engine, and if they're parallel types, the heat generated by the gasoline engine could be used to keep the electrical engine in juice.

      It might even be possible to recapture a bit of energy off the moderate heat generated in the electrical motor.

      Of course, there will be the thermodynamical morons in here, trying to say that this little device is next in the step towards the latest self-powering promise, drawing energy from the zero point or whatever other perpetual motion bollocks is being flouted these days.

      Here's a hint guys: you can't win and you can't break even. You can only take your income (solar energy) and savings (batteries, fuels, and nuclear fuels) and spend it (burning fuel or running electrical equipment). If you can boost your output per unit input, great stuff - but please don't assume it means you've hit a lotto (perpetual motion) that doesn't exist.

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    2. Re:New source of power ? by 0racle · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude, this is like the next step to a self powering device. It would run forever.

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  2. Open that fridge! by cat_jesus · · Score: 4, Funny

    So now instead of yelling at my kids for leaving the fridge door open I'll have to get them to leave it open every now and then in order to keep the electricity bill down.

    I could really dig have a lower electricty bill in the summer rather than a higher one. When can I build a house with this stuff?

    1. Re:Open that fridge! by Wavicle · · Score: 4, Funny

      In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!

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  3. Not by trapping molecules actually... by drerwk · · Score: 4, Informative
    The post is misleading. FTFA

    The researchers coated two gold electrodes with molecules of benzenedithiol, dibezenedithiol or tribenzenedithiol, then heated one side to create a temperature differential. For each degree Celsius of difference, the researchers measured 8.7 microvolts of electricity for benzenedithiol, 12.9 microvolts for dibezenedithiol, and 14.2 microvolts for tribenzenedithiol. The maximum temperature differential tested was 30 degrees Celsius (54 degrees Fahrenheit).
    So the device is a thermocouple. You give is a temperature difference and it generates a small voltage. Notice that the current generated is not mentioned, so we can not even tell how much power is generated. If there is something new here it is that we have an organic Seebeck junction instead of the typical solid state junction. The article mentions your car's radiator as an example of wasted heat - no doubt - but to use that heat you need to provide, and maintain a heat differential across your 'recapture device'. Likely the device will just act as an insulator, and your radiator will no longer function. If not you will find that you need some huge fan to blow even more air past the radiator, and now the amount of energy you recover is less than that needed to drive your fan. I also think that the 30% efficiency mentioned for electricity generation is a bit on the low side. Don't hold your breath.
    1. Re:Not by trapping molecules actually... by drerwk · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why do you have to use the radiator?
      I inferred from the article that one might add these devices to the radiator to recapture lost heat, and that it would be done for cars already in use. But your question is quite valid. The actual reason for a radiator in a car engine that has one, is to keep the temperature of the engine low enough so that the moving parts continue to move, that the oil lubricates, and that parts don't actually melt. If one had materials that could take the heat, say piston liners that were excellent insulators and still allowed the piston to move, and all of the excess heat simple exited the cylinder you would not need a radiator. Or if you owned a Beetle, a 2CV, or some other vehicle with an air cooled engine you would not need a radiator.
      But fundamental to thermodynamics is that you can not have a cycle more efficient than the Carnot Cycle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic_cycle. This give a max efficiency = 1-(TEMPlow/TEMPhigh), so you always want that low temp to be as low as possible - for a car engine that would be the ambient air. If you have your device, then the hot side is on the engine, and the low side is in the air. But the device itself will get hot, an you will have to blow a lot of air on the cold side to keep it cold. It you let the whole device rise to the same temperature you get no conversion.
  4. Awesome! by nacturation · · Score: 4, Funny

    So this means global warming is a good thing. With all the electricity we'll be able to make, it's no problem to just run enough air conditions to solve the problem.

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  5. I wouldn't worry about the computers.... by Chmcginn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Computers still are, and probably always will be, a fairly small fraction of electrical consumption. Yeah, data centers are all the way up to 1%... But 1% is 1%. Not a big component... Hell, I'd be more concerned about this - if we replace fossil fuel cars with electric in the next fifty years, electric power used to recharge vehicles will probably become one of the biggest fractions of the total load.

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  6. Re:generation vs consumption by Doppler00 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    LED light bulbs are overrated. Compact florescent bulbs are much more efficient, but they aren't a sexy as LED's. Here's some ways to conserve, but no one will do this:

    1. No more incandescent bulbs.
    2. Live 10 minutes away from work in a condo/apartment instead of the suburbs in a giant house
    3. Stop leaving your computer on all day

    Actually, #2 is about the only one that really saves the most money. Smaller places cost less to heat/cool, and not driving as much saves a huge amount of energy.

    But, oh environmentalists are more concerned about prohibiting housing developments or zoning that actually makes sense.

  7. Re:The point of the robot... by Oligonicella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "But the common man doesn't understand 'efficiency gains' as something significant."

    Yeah, they insulate their houses to save on energy bills just 'cause.

  8. Not a big deal by Solitonic · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unfortunately, thermoelectric converters based on the Seebeck effect are not going to help with efficiency by a large amount.

    Firstly, there is a theoretical limit (Carnot Cycle) to the efficiency of any pure heat engine based on the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

    If a quantity of heat Q is taken from a high-temperature reservoir at temperature T2, partially converted into useful work W, and the remainder (Q - W) is deposited into a low-temperature reservoir at temperature T1, then the net increase in entropy is at least

          \delta S = (Q-W)/T1 - Q/T2 >= 0.

    So the efficiency (useful work generated per unit energy input)

          e = W/Q < (T2 - T1)/T2

    The waste heat is ultimately deposited into the environment, so T1 can't be much smaller than say 300K.

    In a steam engine T2 has to be greater than the boiling point of water (at whatever pressure it is operated), but it is limited by what the materials of which it is composed can withstand. Temperatures of order 1000K are typical. That gives a maximum theoretical efficiency of around 70%. The best steam engines barely reach about half that efficiency.

    However, modern power plants (which are not pure heat engines) use a Combined Cycle that can do better by first generating electricity from their fuel with a combustion turbine and then using the waste heat from the combustion turbine to make steam to generate additional electricity via a steam turbine. Their efficiency can reach about 60% of the net calorific value of the fuel.

    So you can see that one might be able to shave a few more percentage points off the waste, but it will not at all be the godsend we really need...

    IMHO only nuclear power can fulfill that role today.

  9. "Wasted" heat is not available for this device. by jolathe · · Score: 5, Informative

    The "wasted" heat that thermal power plants reject to the surroundings is rejected at a temperature only slightly above ambient. A steam turbine generator has an exhaust steam condenser which operates at a vacuum, where the steam condenses at only a few degrees Fahrenheit above the ambient temperature. There is no significant temperature difference available for the new device to operate with. While thermal power plants do reject over half the fuel energy consumed to the surroundings, it is a myth that this rejected heat can be effectively used. The rejected heat is available at a low temperature, only slightly above ambient, therefore little effective use can be made of it. This is the penalty that the laws of thermodynamics impose on the conversion of heat into work.