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MPAA and FBI Help To Train Swedish Police

Several readers let us know about a program in which a US FBI agent and employees of the MPAA led a seminar for Swedish police officers in methods of finding and stopping illegal downloading from the Internet. The writer at zeropaid.com says, "I bet the Swedish people are going to love to find out that the US government and a US lobbying group now have a hand in training their police personnel. So much for the notion of national sovereignty." Reader Oxygen provided a bit of translation from an article in Swedish on IDG.se: "According to Bertil Ramsell, responsible for the course, the purpose of the visit was to give the invited speakers a chance to explain to the students what their organization's purpose was. But in a report from the IIPA, the purpose was to educate students in anti-piracy."

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  1. Revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Get out your guns and start shooting at heads of state and their cronies, and also the corporate CEO's and their cronies.

    It's time the governments of the world feared the people.

    1. Re:Revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think it is time the people realise that the government is an instrument of the PEOPLE, they work for and represent the PEOPLE. I think alot of people have forgotten this.

      The only people that took away your rights was yourselves.

      Wake up.

    2. Re:Revolution by Morosoph · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's time the governments of the world feared the people. Bad idea. Fear doesn't get people to do what you want.
    3. Re:Revolution by jackharrer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually it does, but only for a very short time.

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      "an experienced, industrious, ambitious, and often, quite often, picturesque liar" - Mark Twain
    4. Re:Revolution by tenco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Destroy Power
      Not People.

    5. Re:Revolution by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Revoultion is not anarchy.

      It is revolution. Out with the old, in with the new.


      "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
      -The Who Won't Get Fooled Again.

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      I laughed at the weak who considered themselves good because they lacked claws.
    6. Re:Revolution by goldspider · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a good thing that guns are all but completely banned in Sweden (a few registered long guns for hunting are permitted), otherwise the government might have to face an armed revolt. One can only hope that my own government in the USA will someday have nothing to fear from the People as well.

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      "Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
  2. Bloc-ization by kahei · · Score: 4, Funny


    As time goes on and power is consolidated in the world, smaller powers will find themselves increasingly strongly attached to the main power bloc with which they are affiliated. Thus European nations find themselves increasingly Americanized, Asia finds itself increasingly Sinicized, and the Islamic world finds itself increasingly dominated by relatively uniform fundamentalist thinking, as opposed to the diverse, relatively secular regional ideologies that prevailed in the last century.

    Eventually, the three nations of Eurasia, Eastasia and Oceania will settle down into their near-endless cold war.

    P.S. Eastasia will win.

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    Whence? Hence. Whither? Thither.
    1. Re:Bloc-ization by psicic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Eventually?!?

      What are you talking about?

      We've always been at war with the pirat...terroris...er...EastAsia

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      Concrete analysis...
  3. Good article, trolling comment- by Aeron65432 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I thought the article was fairly interesting but this was just one troll of a comment. "I bet the Swedish people are going to love to find out that the US government and a US lobbying group now have a hand in training their police personnel. So much for the notion of national sovereignty."

    There are United States military troops in Germany, Italy, South Korea, Japan, Colombia, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Kosovo, Egypt, Singapore, Thailand, the UK, Spain, Turkey, Portugal, Qatar, Bahrain, Cuba, etc. etc. etc. We run the Iraqi and Afghanistan governments. Training Swedish police is not a threat to national sovereignty, and if you dispute this, it still barely scrapes the iceberg. It's hysteria to complain that training foreign governments is intruding on their sovereignty if they request it.

    We train police around the world, in almost all situations, our assistance is requested and welcomed. (by the governments, at least) If the wholly independent Swedish government and the people were opposed, there might be a case.

    Complain about training them in bad DMCA-style law enforcement, or in RIAA-scare-tactics. Don't complain about a foreign country asking and receiving assistance.

    1. Re:Good article, trolling comment- by Balp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All the bad press has been on it being MPA and IPFI, not on the FBI. FBI have been working with the swedish goverment for a long time. In both directions. The differece in the storied about MPA did at the scool from the MPA and the swedish police makes this an intersting story.

      That the other speaker at the conference was the swedish version of RIAA that have tried to use scare tactice already, doesn't make it better. The only problem with FBI is that they are talking together with MPA at this occation.

    2. Re:Good article, trolling comment- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It isn't so much that it's the US government, as it is a private company training a foreign national police force to enforce their private agenda. The government is one thing, they could know something about enforcing law and protecting the peace.
      The MPAA aren't soldiers, they aren't police, and they aren't a neutral public institution. Their concerns isn't for the citizens. They're there solely to make sure their profits are safeguarded and that things will go exactly the way they want them to. They've essentially bought their way into law enforcement and there's something profoundly unsettling about that.

    3. Re:Good article, trolling comment- by bjourne · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Do you think American FBI agents are the only people in the world who knows how to catch file sharers? Or that there is so little technical know-how in Swedish organizations that we really need Americans to help us? It is not, Swedish cops are just as good at using computers as American cops are (if not better). Maybe they could use some help in improving their interrogation techniques, but they sure as hell do not bring Russian FSB agents over. The real reason why they invite the FBI has nothing to do with training.

      What the big fuss is about, is that the Swedish police is tacitly agreeing that it will follow FBI:s and MPAA:s anti-piracy policies and do their dirty work for them. Which means do everything they can to shut down thepiratebay.

    4. Re:Good article, trolling comment- by pimpimpim · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Who is this 'we' you're talking about? Are you as an American citizen also a part of the industrial structures as the MPAA? Would you fight for the rights of the MPAA if they called you to do so? Are you not a patriot if you don't agree with what the MPAA tells you to do? It sounds like you should rethink your stance on who is running your beloved country.

      Sidenote: The US militairy troops in e.g. Germany have no authority outside the borders of their camps, also not over the German military. Also, in many cases the assistence of the US government is not very much welcomed, ask all the happy Iraquese whose country is now a big load of junk, with no outsight at all on a stable government. Actually, that is where the US calls in the help of the rest in the world, because creating stability doesn't seem to be on the list of competences of the US.

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    5. Re:Good article, trolling comment- by Intrinsic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Complain about training them in bad DMCA-style law enforcement, or in RIAA-scare-tactics. Don't complain about a foreign country asking and receiving assistance.


      I doubt very highly, that the people of Sweden are in any way interested in copyright infringement law enforcement. Its lunacy to even be talking about it, copyright infringement is our countries way of trying to hold back the tide of an every increasing momentum of free expression. This isn't book and print. You put something out on the net or make it digital it no longer has any substance. It exists in the minds of the people that create it and experience it. Sharing ideas whether they originated with you are not is a natural part of how we express our selfs. Get over it, and move the fuck on.

    6. Re:Good article, trolling comment- by russ1337 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>> Which means do everything they can to shut down thepiratebay

      Firstly, I expect the FBI and MPAA will be tainted to train to American laws. Obviously the Unless copyright laws are aligned between the two countries we're likely to see the Swedish Police overstepping the mark, like they did when they confiscated TPB servers previously - didn't that turn out to be against local law (TPB was working within the law?).

  4. Uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA:

    FBI agent Andrew Myers and the MPAA have given a group of six Swedish police officers extensive training on how to effectively combat piracy and catch people who engage in illegal downloading from the internet.

    How exactly is the MPAA able to teach Swedish police how to "effectively combat piracy", when the MPAA themselves fail to achieve that?

    1. Re:Uh by jackharrer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The same they did in Poland. There are three guys coming to your home: judge, cop and IT guy. If you don't allow them in they sign a warrant on spot and enter your premises. They even have certain pricelist, like 1 PLN for a mp3, 5 PLN for a film. Plus retail price for all illegal software. If you don't pay or cooperate - they just take your computer. And they have no problems with Win software and security (as if anybody have).

      Is it a law? Or it's an abuse?

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      "an experienced, industrious, ambitious, and often, quite often, picturesque liar" - Mark Twain
    2. Re:Uh by pilot1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unless your drives are encrypted, that's not going to stop them when they boot from a livecd.

  5. In next election.... by DrYak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And suddenly the popularity of the "Piratpartiet" bumps up to 56%, and steals 2/3 of the sweedish parliament on next election...

    Thank you, RIAA, this was the most intelligent thing to do.

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    "Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
  6. Now there is a thought. by Don_dumb · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I bet the Swedish people are going to love to find out that the US government and a US lobbying group now have a hand in training their police personnel. So much for the notion of national sovereignty."
    I hope the Swedish will love it just as much as the Iraqi people do.
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    If this were really happening, what would you think?
  7. UK children by pubjames · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, in the UK children who study computer science study a module that basically tells them how to comply with software licences, and that it is illegal to "copy software".

  8. I know, it's premature and immature, but... by SlovakWakko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...so long, piratebay, and thanks for all the torrents...

  9. Comment from the Pirat Party by tcdk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From http://www2.piratpartiet.se/ in my translation:

    "The judicial system is make a mistake a see these lobby organisations as some sort of private police corp. Their only interest is to keep their old profitable monopoly. There organisations have nothing to do in our judicial system, says The Pirate Partys partyleader Rickard Falkvinge."

    That pretty much sums it up if you ask me.

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    1. Re:Comment from the Pirat Party by jackharrer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Problem is that 'old profitable monopoly' finances politicians, which in turn do whatever those monopolies want.
      It's called politics.
      No way to do anything to it, as long as they have at least a little of their reputation left. Which is not much, anyway.

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      "an experienced, industrious, ambitious, and often, quite often, picturesque liar" - Mark Twain
    2. Re:Comment from the Pirat Party by Slyswede · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Swedish politicians are actually not funded directly by private interests, since we don't have personal elections in the true sense of the word. Although you are allowed to check your personal favourite on the ballot, your vote still counts mainly against the party of that candidate. While this reduces the need for candidates to fund their own election campaigns, it creates an interesting problem in my opinion since the political parties instead get their funding from the taxpayers. This means there's no way for me to avoid supporting people with ideas I really don't care for. :( On the other hand, with a larger share of the popular vote, the pirate party would also get money from the taxpayers... I bet the MPA and RIAA would love that. :)

  10. The most wonderful irony... by Sj0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The most wonderful irony is that when i quote Orwell to illustrate my opinion of what this means, *I'm* the criminal.

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    It's been a long time.
  11. Wrong perception in the USA by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Folks, Swedes are not angels. They are people just like you and me. Yes, there is no RIAA or MPAA in Sweden (yet), but that doesn't mean that there aren't wealthy and powerful people who are pushing their profit-driven agenda, there. The same is true for my country, Finland. Yeah, it's where Linus was born and raised, but it doesn't make it heaven on earth. For example, we have our share of corrupt CxOs, don't worry.

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    "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
    1. Re:Wrong perception in the USA by Ontology42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      IT's called having sane copyright laws, the U.S. should look into this "New form" of thought.

  12. we'd never do that by oneplus999 · · Score: 2, Informative

    yeah cause its not like americans ever got training from the french during the american revolution

  13. So ? You swedish are going to let this slide ? by unity100 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The swedish i know would raise hell because of that issue, its crooked perpetrators, anyone who participated and related government agencies.

    There are no news around to that extent yet. We are waiting to see some swedish democracy in action.

  14. stupid thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    since when did I have any input into government policy? I get to vote once every three years and that is it.

    NO, its the corporates that control things...like the mass media, party funding, and so on.

    1. Re:stupid thinking by endianx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It isn't having nukes that is the problem. It is how they would be used. Israel would never just randomly nuke Iran. Even if they found a way to do it so that it did not lead back to them, the Muslim world would blame them regardless, and it would be open war on Israel.

      Iran, on the other hand, would be happy to nuke them some Jews. They probably wouldn't be so bold as to launch a missile at Israel, but if a suitcase nuke should happen to find it's way in there, well then so be it.

      Every country has a right to try and acquire nuclear weapons (and even more so nuclear power). But countries who would be threatened by that also have a right to try and provide incentives (both positive and negative) to try and stop them.

  15. MPAA and FBI Help To Train Swedish Police by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Funny

    You know, this is how the Vietnam war started. First we send in "advisors". Then we make up a story about being attacked off the coast of Gotland, and the rest is history.

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  16. Isnt it also curious that FBI spares resources by unity100 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    for that, whereas, as they say, a 'worldwide battle against terrorism' is going on at the same time ?

    Very curious that, one important government agency can spare resources to spend for a PRIVATE organisation's whims, whereas there are army units deployed in iraq, afghanistan, pakistan is battling a lot of internation terrorist organisations trying to get roots in there, and terrorists are constantly trying to sneak into major western countries ?

    Either they are screwing us over terrorist threat level, or they are screwing us over our taxes.

  17. I'm Swedish and I think like this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm Swedish and I think like this:

    A) Copying IS NOT stealing.
    B) As long as the people that made the data that is being copied has a roof over their head and food to eat they can't complain too much. If they have more they should just STFU.
    C) A pirate is not bad if he does not use copied content to make money. Pirates that profit is however an issue to talk about.
    D) We live and die. If somebody copies a file in order to increase their life's value I say go ahead and let him. It's all about making people's life better, right...?
    E) Piracy does absolutely not mean that nobody will go to the movies anymore or buy them. If it somehow does a new legal distribution system needs to be arranged.
    F) If you can afford it and want to support the people behind it, and if you are not lazy at the time, go ahead and purchase the item in question.

    That is just my brain however. Maybe it can be yours too?

  18. Sweden: Grow a Set by organgtool · · Score: 2, Informative

    Up until now, I was always apprehensive of visiting Sweden for fear of being assaulted from all angles by pirates trying to get me to buy a bootleg of Justin Timerlake's latest CD, but now I will be able walk the streets of Sweden with confidence.

    All jokes aside, this is very disturbing. Even more disturbing is the fact that I have read several comments that don't seem too troubled by this behavior. People have forgotten that the police are a resource used to protect the physical well-being of their fellow citizens. They are not there to protect copyright holders from other countries. And time spent investigating copyright infringement by the police is less time spent investigating real CRIMES. Sweden needs to grow some balls and tell the MPAA to stay out of the police department.

    1. Re:Sweden: Grow a Set by yoder · · Score: 2, Informative

      Exactly. Our law enforcement is quickly becoming little more than hired guns for corporate interests. They have become a twisted fun house mirror view of law and order.

      If other countries give into our corporate attack animals then that is their problem and they deserve everything they get. If other countries see their own sovereignty as something to be given away to US industries then they deserve everything they get.

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      "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act!" -- George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)
  19. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  20. Justice? by World.Pop(MPAA) · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I love how the RIAA and MPAA can buy access to the FBI, yet the millions of Americans (heck non-Americans as well) are second-class citizens in the eyes of the Dept of Justice. You mean to tell me the abating intellectual property theft in Europe is more pertinent of an issue than fighting "white collar" crime? Ask the victims of Corporate Criminals (Enron) or dirty politicians (Randy Cunningham) whether they want a 16 year old boy downloading music jailed, or someone who violates the American people's faith in their government? I bet if we looked deep enough, we would find Jack Abramoff's dirty little paw prints all over this!

  21. Which "People" ? by abreauj · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think it is time the people realise that the government is an instrument of the PEOPLE, they work for and represent the PEOPLE. I think alot of people have forgotten this.

    The American government represents the American "people". But the question is, who are the American "people"? Sadly, the Supreme Court ruled in 1886 that a corporation is a person, with the same constitiutional rights as a human person. And as "people', corporations are immortal, incredibly wealthy, and exhibit psychopathic behavior.

    So the American government, over the past 121 years, has increasingly represented primarily the corporate "people" who have all the bribe money, and relegated the human "people" to second-class status.