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James Gosling Appointed to the Order of Canada

Andrija Ifkovic writes "James Gosling, the creator of Java language and a VP of Sun has been appointed to the Order of Canada. 'The Order of Canada recognizes outstanding lifetime achievement and contributions to society and the country by Canadians from all walks of life.' This is the highest honor Canada can bestow upon its citizens."

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  1. Why Gosling? by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Why is James Gosling is receiving the OoC?
    I was just looking through the Java source and it says "// Author: Joyce Hatto"

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  2. Highest Honor by whisper_jeff · · Score: 5, Funny

    Highest honor? Bah! Stanley Cup tickets are the highest honor that can be bestoyed upon any real Canadian.

  3. Yeah, yeah, we see you up there... by RumGunner · · Score: 4, Funny

    Look everybody, Canada is a country too! They have awards and everything!

    1. Re:Yeah, yeah, we see you up there... by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > Look everybody, Canada is a country too! They have awards and everything!

      It's not even a real VM anyway.

    2. Re:Yeah, yeah, we see you up there... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Argh. How many times do I have to say it - just because it's in Wikipedia doesn't mean it really exists!

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  4. Congrats by FreeKill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While the Order of Canada is indeed prestigious to Canadian citizens, it's sometimes hard to take it 100% seriously as a huge honor when Bob and Doug Mackenzie (Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis) also received the same reward for their "contributions to Canadian Culture"

    1. Re:Congrats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While the Order of Canada is indeed prestigious to Canadian citizens, it's sometimes hard to take it 100% seriously as a huge honor when Bob and Doug Mackenzie (Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis) also received the same reward for their "contributions to Canadian Culture"

      Why don't you first strip Mick Jagger of his knighthood and then we'll talk about taking things seriously.

    2. Re:Congrats by Keith+Russell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, because comedy can't possibly contribute anything to a culture, ya hoser.

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  5. Blame Canada! by joe90 · · Score: 3, Funny

    So now we get to blame Canada for Java too? Woohoo! Is there nothing they are not at fault for?

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    1. Re:Blame Canada! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is there nothing they are not at fault for?


      Dangling prepositions. That's all you.

  6. Pamela Anderson too by Erioll · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pam's from up here. At least we're not responsible for Anna though. Only the USA could produce a trainwreck of that magnitude.

    1. Re:Pamela Anderson too by danpsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pam's from up here. At least we're not responsible for Anna though. Only Texas could produce a trainwreck of that magnitude.

      There, fixed that for you.

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  7. Freedom Medal by javamann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As opposed to our 'Freedom Medal' which you get if you really fu*k up badly.

  8. Re:Canada? yeah right by Phrogman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, no. See for well over a century we have been an independant country up here in Canada. Yes, we are still a member of the Commonwealth (along with a lot of other countries you might know like Australia and New Zealand etc), and the Queen is still a symbolic head of the Commonwealth, but we are a completely independant country with our own Constitution, Laws and everything. In practice the Queen has zero political power in Canada, its all symbolic and traditional nothing more. Thus we have our own awards.

    The thing is, most of us don't see that as a bad thing, whereas you US folks have this pre-conditioned distrust of Royalty for some unfathomable reason - probably something to do with that whole "Tea" issue in Boston way back when. I admit it, the King made a mistake back then OK?. If you would just get over that though, I am sure we could let you back into the Commonwealth :)

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  9. Re:Canada? yeah right or is it UK? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, no. See for well over a century we have been an independent country up here in Canada.

    Not only that, but unlike the US, Canada has equal rights for women, permits gay marriages, and solved the whole abortion debate decades ago.

    Plus, they have Nelly Furtado. Think about it ...

    And, at one point, I happened to be away from my Army unit on back-to-back training courses when the Queen visited - and so was the only member of my unit not to have a medal from that visit. Dang.

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  10. Re:Canada? yeah right by crabpeople · · Score: 4, Insightful

    American money has the symbol of the illuminati and an oath to an imaginary supernatural being. I think canada wins here.

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  11. For Java? by Paulrothrock · · Score: 3, Funny

    As someone who spent the better part of a day trying to get Eclipse, Swing, Tomcat, and the JDK set up, I think he should have had the medal pinned to his scrotum.

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    1. Re:For Java? by Tim+C · · Score: 5, Informative

      When was this? Java has been a download, 'double-click, click "next" a few times to install' affair for years. At most you might need to add the path to the bin directory to your path (it's been so long since I installed Java on a fresh machine that I forget).

      Swing doesn't take any "setting up", it's a core API.

      Tomcat runs pretty-much out of the box, although porting web-apps to it from other servlet containers can be problematic (especially if you foolishly use container-specific extensions).

      Eclipse can be troublesome in that the website doesn't make it entirely clear what it is you should be downloading. As long as you get it right, however (and it's not really that hard, certainly much easier than it used to be) then you just extract it and double-click the executable to run it.

      Now I'll grant that perhaps you might have trouble integrating Eclipse and Tomcat (as I've never tried it I can't comment), and you'd certainly have trouble trying to use Swing in a web-app, but without more detail I really can't see where on Earth you could be going wrong.

    2. Re:For Java? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 3, Informative
      Blame IBM for Eclipse, not Gosling...

      As for the JDK, sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk should cover it.

    3. Re:For Java? by ShinmaWa · · Score: 3, Informative

      > I've had a fun install where Swing didn't like something about my GTK+ theme

      Bull. Swing implements its own 100% Java widget toolkit with various custom "look and feel" hooks. It cares not-a-bit what GTK+ theme you are using. It doesn't even know what GTK+ is.

      > As for Eclipse, you can tell it's intended to be a Windows app, because it tries to write to its install directory.

      Poppycock. I have Eclipse 3.2 installed into /usr/local/eclipse3.2 and I have no problems. Eclipse, by design, does not write ANYTHING to its install directory. Not even in Windows.

      Eclipse writes everything to a workspace, which the user chooses on startup and can exist anywhere on the file system. The default is ~/workspace, but this can be changed by the user to whatever is more desired.

      You can even install new plug-ins and features in your home area and tie them into your workspace, so each user can have their own custom features without sudo'ing up and adding them into the base install.

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  12. Re:An award by ADRA · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1. Well written Java programs aren't slow
    2. Poor programmers don't know how to optimize their code to run well
    3. Java makes it easy for even poor programmers to do their job

    Take these three statements and you have your truth on Java. Any single piece of code can be made to grind your system to a halt. Its nothing special to Java, but since the only client-side Java apps you've been exposed to are apparently ass, then you'll never know.

    What Java and any other modern high level language allows for are people who aren't necessarily the best programmers to still do their jobs. Do I see you wanting to go out and build business apps, or are you more likely to make super-cool widget X? Since you're choosing to do the more interesting widget, someone's left to build that business app. If all there were only 'good' programmers in our industry, only a very very few things would ever be done. Since we don't live in that world, we have to make less optimal programmers as effective as possible.

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  13. Re:Canada? yeah right by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 3, Informative

    In practice the Queen has zero political power in Canada, its all symbolic and traditional nothing more.

    In day to day practise yes, but in truth the Governor General and in turn the Queen do have some very important political power. The powers that the GG (and the Queen) hold are part of the checks and balances of government in Canada preventing an "unscrupulous Prime Minister" from doing too much harm.

    The GG (as the representative of the head of state) and the head of state (currently the Queen, but will be a King) are the only ones allowed to dissolve parliament and call an election. The Prime Minister is not allowed. The GG also gives Royal Ascent to new laws. By tradition the GG will dissolve parliament and pass Royal Ascent when the Prime Minister asks so that a new federal election can be called and new laws can come into effect. Theoretically the Queen (by way of the GG in Canada and other commonwealth nations) can dissolve parliament at any time and can withhold Royal Ascent. But like in England, if this happened there would be a political firestorm kicked up. This happened once in Canada in 1926 when the GG did not dissolve a minority government as requested by the Prime Minister. In Australia where the GG has the same role, their GG dissolved the government in 1975 due to a crisis in government. In both cases this kicked up a lot of debate on the role of the GG.

    Only the Queen (or King) can appoint a GG, but by tradition appoints someone suggested by the PM.

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  14. Re:That would explain "Dubya" by multisync · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I thought "Dubya" was born in Connecticut.

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  15. Design pattern by isomeme · · Score: 4, Funny

    Rather than giving Gosling the order of Canada, wouldn't it be better form for Gosling and Canada to extend a common implementation of Comparable?

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  16. Bob & Doug *not* members of Order of Canada by gvc · · Score: 4, Informative
    Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis do not appear on and list of Members, Officers, or Companions of the Order of Canada.

    Here's an independent confirmation: Although it has been written in various places that Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas received the Order of Canada for their contribution to Canadian culture, a phone call to Rideau Hall revealed that they were not members of the Order of Canada.

  17. Re:Couldn't give the OoC to a better person by WGR · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are several Canadians who have also developed programming languages of greater significance the Java, which is a derivative of C/C++ so not completely original.

    Ken Iverson, who created the APL language, was a Canadian. He was giving the ACM Turing award for this, but never received the Order of Canada.

    Tim Bray, one of the main developers of XML, is also a Canadian.

    Rob Pike, developer of Plan9 and Inferno, and creator of many Unix utilities, is also Canadian

    Brian Kernighan, co=developer of AWK and co-author of "The C Programming Language" book is also Canadian.

    There are even more.