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Meetings Make You Dumber

Maximum Prophet writes "Robert Heinlein once said that the committee was the only life form in the universe with three or more bellies and no brain. MSNBC reports that his statement may have some statistical truth to it. Researchers are finding that meetings are actually bad places to be creative. You're not actually 'dumber' when you're in the meeting, just more likely to lose your creative edge. Studies have now shown that, as collaborative primates, the more often a possibility is mentioned the more likely the group is to go along with it. Individuals placed by themselves were more likely to come up with imaginative alternatives to products, for example."

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  1. hmmm by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Meetings Make You Dumber... Researchers are finding that meetings are actually bad places to be creative. You're not actually 'dumber' when you're in the meeting, just more likely to lose your creative edge.

    Sounds like someone wrote this writeup while in a meeting...

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    1. Re:hmmm by cperciva · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sounds like someone wrote this writeup while in a meeting...

      Not at all. The title is a very creative interpretation of the story.

  2. Point of Article: Avoid Group Think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The point of the article wasn't that meetings are bad. The point was that group think at meetings is bad. The example they gave was that if people go off and develop a list of ideas on their own, the combined list of ideas is longer than if people develop a list of ideas together in the group.

    There are two points that are important here. First, a group of people is likely to develop more ideas than a single person regardless of whether the group develops the ideas together or separately. Second, when it comes to choosing one idea from the list of many possible ideas, a well organized group is going to make a better choice than a single individual. In fact, the biggest problem in a poorly run group is that one person makes all the decisions so it is equivalent to a single individual make the choice.

    That was basically the point of the article: for a group to be effective it needs to be organized to allow everyone in the group to have input.

    1. Re:Point of Article: Avoid Group Think by drooling-dog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem is that in a meeting you are on a social and political stage, however small. It's often not just about what idea is best, but rather whom you're going to support (for reasons that may have nothing to do with the idea being discussed) and how you want the group to perceive you. I know that on more than one occasion I've kept my doubts about a proposal to myself because I didn't want to be perceived as, well, a doubter (which really I am)...

  3. Meetings are not meant to be creative by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Their function is to seek consenus, bring us all up to speed, get everyone reading from the same page, allocate division of labour etc.

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    1. Re:Meetings are not meant to be creative by rbanzai · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Perhaps SOME meetings are not meant to be creative, and are just for information sharing but many meetings ARE meant to be creative. Many meetings are intended for problem-solving, for example, and creativity can be quite useful so you don't want to stifle it.

      I work at an ad agency where by definition we have Creative Meetings where creative concepts are going to be brainstormed.

      Meetings are not all simply to seek consensus, etc...

    2. Re:Meetings are not meant to be creative by not-enough-info · · Score: 5, Funny

      Synergize your intellectual capital in a heads-up actionable game plan by leveraging mission critical low-hanging fruit that's just outside the box. It's a win-win-win for everybody!

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    3. Re:Meetings are not meant to be creative by markov_chain · · Score: 4, Funny
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  4. The primary reason for this by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    is that in private corporations there is no way to give a eral opionon and not be fired if it isn't what the boss had envisioned.
    The boss want's hoola-hoops with razors on the inside? then you better be a team player and commit 125% to that goal.

    You think it's dangerous? not a team player, get out
    You think there isn't a market? not a team player, get out
    you mention that 100% is pretty much all someone can give without physically harming them selves? not a team player, get out
    Forgot to clean the fridge?not a team player, get out

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    1. Re:The primary reason for this by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're working in an environment like that, why wouldn't you want to get out anyway?

      Every place I've worked (so far), I have in fact been rewarded for coming up with better alternatives to the boss's suggestions, and I've never once been punished for disagreement. Thing is, you have to earn their respect before you can do that...

    2. Re:The primary reason for this by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So you get out and get another job.

      Believe it or not, there are workplaces where it is safe to voice opposition as long as you do what you're told once the decision is made. Your boss shouldn't mind that you tell him it's a bad idea to port your product to the latest trendy language for no good reason, but once he decides that's what the company is doing, you better deliver, 'cause that's what you're being paid for. It's when you refuse to drop it once a decision has been made that you should have to worry about losing your job.

      In my experience, most workplaces are like this, and there is always some whiner that doesn't know when to drop it and get to work who thinks that their opinion (rather than their behavior or performance) is what got them in trouble.

    3. Re:The primary reason for this by TuringTest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mob mentality (which is essentially what you see in meetings - people forced to make a decision as a whole rather than as individuals) is known to be 'stupider' than a single person acting rationally as a general rule.

      On the other hand, "swarm" decision-making based on the aggregate of individual decisions is known to be smarter than any single person. The point is not avoiding meetings or group work, the point is avoid common pitfalls and adopt a working style that deliveries results.

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  5. Scientific Evidence Already Stated by ShrapnelFace · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's called "Group Think" and it was a major factor of evidence in the destruction of the Space Shuttle Columbia. We've already read this, been over this, and done this. Is this a presentation of a new idea, or an idea restated in a new light?

    Either way, it's always a good idea to realize that in most cases, people are in a situation to satisfy themselves first, then those who are most related to that self next.

    I find that in meetings I lead, I spend more time chairing the discussion than growing the actual discussion from the seeds of creation. Group think tends to be the by-product of that one person in your meeting who wont let go of their own idea and continues to bludgeon the group into submission.

  6. Certainly Explains Congress by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just one loong meeting...

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  7. "We" have decided to comment by popo · · Score: 4, Funny

    After much discussion we have decided to comment on this absurd proposition that a group cannot write anything creative. Towards responding to this accusation, we propose a set of action items which will form a roadmap for our final response which will be distributed and posted to Slashdot by next Thursday afternoon.

    The first action item will be to define what "creativity" actually is. This issue will be discussed at a CD meeting (Creativity Definition Meeting) tentatively scheduled for Monday at 9:45 am. Donuts and coffee will be served.

    The results of the CD meeting will be compiled into a compelling Powerpoint presentation and displayed at our weekly Status Meeting on Wednesday at 4:30pm. Please note, we'll all be going out for drinks promptly following the meeting.

    Thursday will consist of a full day of intensive focus groups, follow up discussions, and satellite meetings which will put a fine point on the issue of our supposed inability to generate new and compelling ideas. That full day of meetings will be compiled in a pink sheet for distribution to top management prior to our official Slashdot response.

    Thank you.

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  8. In a perfect world, maybe. by khasim · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But the Reality is that most meetings suck, are mis-managed and a waste of time. Why these things are true does not matter. They are and they aren't going to change.

    So, avoid meetings as much as possible. Use email and the telephone and finally, talk to people in their cubicles/offices. Use the one-to-one means of communicating as much as possible. People will give you more information and more SENSITIVE information in person than they will in a group.

    Once you have all of that and you've run through the email/telephone/cubicle cycle a few times, then call a short meeting to make sure that everyone sees everyone else agreeing in public to what they've agreed to.

    Meetings suck. Avoid them.