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Microsoft Attacks Google on Copyright

The Microsoft Corporation has prepared a blistering attack on rival Google, arguing that the Web search leader takes a cavalier approach to copyright protection. The attack, such as it were, came from Microsoft's Associate General Counsel who was giving a speech to the Association of American Publishers...who have a copyright lawsuit against Google for the last sixteen months. So, an audience ready to hear about how Bad Google is.

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  1. Microsoft's half finished sentence. by pallmall1 · · Score: 5, Funny
    From TFA:

    Microsoft, he said, asks the copyrights owner for permission first...
    They should have added:

    ...unless it's software.
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  2. Yeah... by Moggyboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft guy: "And... and... stop creating tools that people actually find USEFUL and giving them out for FREE, goddamnit! And... and... ummm... Google is a stupid name... and... ummm..."

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  3. Yesterday, today, tomorrow by vivaoporto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yesterday: Microsoft watches with disdain while $company break through unknown waters
    Today: Microsoft attacks $company initiative as being illegal, immoral and bad for business in general
    Tomorrow: Microsoft try to embrace the very same business model of $company, only with a layer of DRM on top of it, and try to leverage it using the profits of the OS and Office division.

    Nothing different from all other endeavors from our good old Microsoft. Who didn't have it coming?

  4. Content is not the holy grail it's made out to be by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What people like this fail to understand is that content is just one part of the puzzle. Content is cheap; just look at the number of books that are rejected for publication every year. If every author who got rejected said "fuck it!" and published their content online, Google would be swamped with free books. Having published content is also not even a sign of quality per se, as it is a sign that there is a possible market for it.

    Google does create value, which is what the real issue here. Value is what matters in economic terms. They are increasing the value of the content that they index by making it more readily available to the public. If they are making money off of this without violating the exclusive right of copyright holders to control publication of their content (aside from fair use and mandatory licensing), then no one is being hurt, and no one is a leech. Being a leech implies that they are siphoning off value, a la file sharing, rather than clearly adding value by making the books more available and useful.

    I'm not much of a Google defender, but the reality is that they are not mooching here. Mooching implies parasitism, which clearly they are not guilty of.

  5. As an author by tomstdenis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    of two books that have sold upwards of 2000 copies (yipee I suck!) I have to say, STFU Microsoft. The day my books came out they were on the torrent websites (thanks to my publisher releasing the book in ebook format the same day). Google archiving the book would have ZERO effect on my sales (which are low because nobody knows who I am, and I suck at teh English) and in effect may actually help them if key passages are searchable.

    If publishers want to stop piracy of texts, STOP RELEASING EBOOKS THE SAME DAY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.

    Tom

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  6. More fun from TFA by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "In essence, Google is saying to you and to other copyright owners: 'Trust us -- you're protected. We'll keep the digital copies secure, we'll only show snippets, we won't harm you, we'll promote you,' "

    Bad news, Rubin: Google is exactly right to say that. Fair Use Rule #4 evaluates "the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work." And I don't think it's hard to show that prominence on a Google property affects this potential market *extremely positively.

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    1. Re:More fun from TFA by tha_mink · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bad news, Rubin: Google is exactly right to say that. Fair Use Rule #4 evaluates "the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work." And I don't think it's hard to show that prominence on a Google property affects this potential market *extremely positively. I'd love to see how many "copyright holders" would actually make the choice of being delisted from any and all google enterprises rather than expose the copyrighted work. I'd love it if Google said something like..."All right , no soup for you" and then just delisted everything that had anything to do with them. I doubt they'd care much about infringement then.

      It's all bullshit. They don't care about their copyrights until they think they can squeeze money from someone. When YouTube was just YouTube, there was just as much copyrighted stuff there ans there is now. "Google has deep pockets now. They must be infringing something of ours. Let's get em." It's bullshit, plus Google hasn't even started to realize the profit from YouTube advertising. If you were producing a sitcom, wouldn't you want clips of your crap to go viral on YouTube? It's got much better chance happening there than it does on mystupidsitcom.abc.disney.com that's for sure.
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  7. Is this April 1st? by tkrotchko · · Score: 5, Funny

    This sounds like an April Fools article.

    Next Article:
        RIAA concerned about musicians being ripped off by lopsided contracts

    After that:
        Auto Makers insist Congress must tighten emissions and fuel economy standards.

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  8. Anyone Else Seeing a Pattern Here? by jeevesbond · · Score: 5, Interesting

    GNU/Linux

    1. Microsoft attempt to compete with GNU/Linux via conventional methods: reducing cost (releasing free--as in beer--versions of products), advertising that TCO is higher for Linux than Windows (it's a lie, but what else should we expect them to say?)
    2. Conventional methods fail so Microsoft falls-back to good old fashioned dirty tricks: making spurious allegations about 'intellectual property'.
    3. ...
    4. Profit!

    Google

    1. Microsoft attempts to compete with Google via conventional methods: producing a competing services with similar capabilities. Then advertise the services as usual, and throw in a bit of IE7 integration in the name of 'choice'.
    2. Conventional methods fail so Microsoft falls-back to good old fashioned dirty tricks: making spurious allegations about 'intellectual property'.
    3. Throw chair across room
    4. ...
    5. Profit!

    Personally am getting a feeling of: 'same bilge, different day' from Microsoft.

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  9. Such as it were, indeed by P0ldy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Perhaps this comment is superfluous since the only person backing you up is an Anonymous Coward, and maybe that's you attempting to vindicate yourself. However, no reply attacking your intelligence, right though they were, gave the reason why the phrase is correct. "Such as it were" is an example of the subjunctive. It's a mood. Pick up a grammar book if you want further explanation. The selfsame mood is the reason for the phrase "Were I to go out...". What?? Were I? You don't say I were. You say I was! Yes, it's the subjunctive, and it's a part of so many languages and would still be important even if it were as little used as it is in English.

  10. Re:no doubt; kettle meet pot. by WindBourne · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Apple Quick Time; Lead to a major 150 million settlement.
    2. The code and idea for the embedding in MSIE. Still in the settlement as I recall.
    3. How about MSIE itself. they cut a deal to pay the mozaic group spin-off a .01 / each one sold and then embedded it (i.e. the company got SQUAT).
    4. Or how about the theft of the stacker's work in dos 6.2. IIRC, they had to pay something like 75 million (not chump change back in the 80's).
    And that is just off the top of the head.
    Man, you MS types have incredibly short memories on MS's actions, let alone how to use google.
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  11. Attack from the MS legal dept by shadowspar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fact that threats against Google are being launched by Microsoft's legal team instead of their engineering department tells you all you need to know.

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