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Microsoft Attacks Google on Copyright
The Microsoft Corporation has prepared a blistering attack on rival Google, arguing that the Web search leader takes a cavalier approach to copyright protection. The attack, such as it were, came from Microsoft's Associate General Counsel who was giving a speech to the Association of American Publishers...who have a copyright lawsuit against Google for the last sixteen months. So, an audience ready to hear about how Bad Google is.
Let the chairs fly!
"No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson
3 things about computers: they're alive, they're self-aware, and they hate your guts.
mmm... glass houses...
...Rob
The American Dream isn't an SUV and a house in the suburbs; it's Don't Tread On Me.
And Microsoft takes a "cavalier approach" to their users, to privacy, to the free market... so who's more evil?
If Google really didn't care they could do far far worse to abuse copyright than anything they've done so far. Microsoft is just placating an audience.
Developers: We can use your help.
Microsoft guy: "And... and... stop creating tools that people actually find USEFUL and giving them out for FREE, goddamnit! And... and... ummm... Google is a stupid name... and... ummm..."
Work smarter, not harder.
Is this submission even English? "The Microsoft Corporation", "The attack, such as it were", "who have a copyright lawsuit against Google for the last sixteen months"--none of these are right. And to top it off, it ends in a sentence fragment.
Media that can be recorded and distributed can be recorded and distributed.
-kfg
Yesterday: Microsoft watches with disdain while $company break through unknown waters
Today: Microsoft attacks $company initiative as being illegal, immoral and bad for business in general
Tomorrow: Microsoft try to embrace the very same business model of $company, only with a layer of DRM on top of it, and try to leverage it using the profits of the OS and Office division.
Nothing different from all other endeavors from our good old Microsoft. Who didn't have it coming?
What people like this fail to understand is that content is just one part of the puzzle. Content is cheap; just look at the number of books that are rejected for publication every year. If every author who got rejected said "fuck it!" and published their content online, Google would be swamped with free books. Having published content is also not even a sign of quality per se, as it is a sign that there is a possible market for it.
Google does create value, which is what the real issue here. Value is what matters in economic terms. They are increasing the value of the content that they index by making it more readily available to the public. If they are making money off of this without violating the exclusive right of copyright holders to control publication of their content (aside from fair use and mandatory licensing), then no one is being hurt, and no one is a leech. Being a leech implies that they are siphoning off value, a la file sharing, rather than clearly adding value by making the books more available and useful.
I'm not much of a Google defender, but the reality is that they are not mooching here. Mooching implies parasitism, which clearly they are not guilty of.
I am so excited that someone is finally taking MS on and not just competing with them, but afaik, coming up with a better product. I will be switching to Google's apps when they are live.
Just how is "Bad Google" these days? I haven't seen him in ages!
What is with the capital B?!
of two books that have sold upwards of 2000 copies (yipee I suck!) I have to say, STFU Microsoft. The day my books came out they were on the torrent websites (thanks to my publisher releasing the book in ebook format the same day). Google archiving the book would have ZERO effect on my sales (which are low because nobody knows who I am, and I suck at teh English) and in effect may actually help them if key passages are searchable.
If publishers want to stop piracy of texts, STOP RELEASING EBOOKS THE SAME DAY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.
Tom
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
amazing that MS says these things when they are well known in and out of the industry for their large amounts of theft and patent/copyright abuse, let alone their total abuse of their monopoly.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
"In essence, Google is saying to you and to other copyright owners: 'Trust us -- you're protected. We'll keep the digital copies secure, we'll only show snippets, we won't harm you, we'll promote you,' "
Bad news, Rubin: Google is exactly right to say that. Fair Use Rule #4 evaluates "the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work." And I don't think it's hard to show that prominence on a Google property affects this potential market *extremely positively.
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Companies that create no content of their own, and make money solely on the backs of other people's content, are raking in billions through advertising revenue and I.P.O.s," said Mr. Rubin, who oversees copyright and trade-secret law.
Is either buying out your competitors or putting them out of business "creating content"?
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Aren't the processes of indexing servers, and the exclusive right to make copies of information inherently in conflict? Same thing with a system that by default allows anyone to share any information publicly, like the phone system, open public speech, or, in this case, the Internet. I don't think the 'copy right' was originally intended to apply beyond books and blueprints anyway, but the way it has grown, I don't know how one would get a representative view of our world without breaking copy rights along the way in at least many small ways.
That's why there have classically been exceptions allowed for sampling information, why one case of illegal copying haven't been used to call every tangential person involved in the copy from being punished, and that the original intent of copyrights, to 'promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts", has classically been the focus, rather than just blindly punishing people, who naturally tend to share information.
Ryan Fenton
Whining and throwing tantrums is not a "blistering attack".
This sounds like an April Fools article.
Next Article:
RIAA concerned about musicians being ripped off by lopsided contracts
After that:
Auto Makers insist Congress must tighten emissions and fuel economy standards.
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
The really weird thing about the google lawsuits is that the publishers suing google are also google's business partners. It's basically a dispute between business allies that's being handled partly in the courts. There's speculation that the outcome will end up being harmful to fair use. Google has tons of cash, and can afford to pay the publishers a certain amount of money to end the suit, even if they really have a good fair use defense that might eventually have held up in court. If that happens, then everybody else's fair use rights could be diminished, because it will be seen as normal that you have to pay for what really should be fair use. Google could end up with a de facto monopoly on indexing books, because competitors wouldn't have enough money to pay the publishers what google paid. (This is mostly paraphrased from a long article in the New Yorker, IIRC.)
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Personally am getting a feeling of: 'same bilge, different day' from Microsoft.
I'm going to transform myself into a mighty hawk. Either that or I'll just go and work at Dixons, haven't decided yet.
"I say not this, for that I think the action such as it were disadvantage to be ..."
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thought the projector of it ; but I say, and say truly, that my lord admiral
-Francis Bacon, 1859
"I had heard such, as it were, sing before Jordan was half forded. I had seen
faces where, pallid as they were, I beheld more celestial triumph than I had
-William Fishbough, 1874
"... the covetous cruelty of the common sort, by their eager biting at gold, being
such as it were enough to eclipse the brightness of a Prince's bounty."
-Sir Nicholas Harris Nicolas, 1847
The quotes come from the first several listings in Google Books from a search of "Such as it were" in quotes. Perhaps you should read something in English and not in Olde English? The only works Google finds with the phrase "such as it were" are two hundred years old. Anyone using the phrase "such as it were" is being pretentious, trying to impress someone with their superior intellect and failing miserably.
"Gay" not only no longer means "happy and carefree" it doesn't even mean "homosexual" any more. In the 1930s "straight" meant "honest", in the 1970s "straight" meant "not stoned" (sober), now it means heterosexual. Language changes. But "such as it were" was bad English two hundred years ago, despite the fact that Francis Bacon used the phrase (prolly like we use "well DUH" or "prolly" or "PuhLEEEESE" and God but I hate that last one...)
"It" is a singular noun. "Were" is a plural verb. They don't go together, such as it was (or such as they were).
That said, I'll cut Hemos some slack. My oldest daughter is mentally challenged, too, but I love her just the same.
What's next?
Parents getting sued because they are telling a story from a children's book?
Me talking about a movie explaining how great the storyline is?
Am I still allowed to sing my favorite songs under the shower?
Perhaps this comment is superfluous since the only person backing you up is an Anonymous Coward, and maybe that's you attempting to vindicate yourself. However, no reply attacking your intelligence, right though they were, gave the reason why the phrase is correct. "Such as it were" is an example of the subjunctive. It's a mood. Pick up a grammar book if you want further explanation. The selfsame mood is the reason for the phrase "Were I to go out...". What?? Were I? You don't say I were. You say I was! Yes, it's the subjunctive, and it's a part of so many languages and would still be important even if it were as little used as it is in English.
MS spent $1+ billion in R&D last quarter so it's not for lack of funding. It's not that they don't have brilliant people. It's that MS as a corporation has conflicting and competing goals. Their different divisions could come out with great products but on the whole, their products must not undermine the whole corporation. Namely they must do everything to ensure Windows is the only operating system, Window Media the only media format, SQL server the only SQL database, etc. The Office division could do a port to Linux. There is some money to be made, but that would undermine Windows. Zune could have been tied to more open formats but that would hurt Windows and the Media division. And the list goes on.
Sony has the same problem. Their MP3 players could have been great and taken the market from Apple but they had to protect their content division. Thus the first versions used proprietary formats that all but crippled them.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
The fact that threats against Google are being launched by Microsoft's legal team instead of their engineering department tells you all you need to know.
There is a spellbook here; eat it? [ynq]
Microsoft might be preparing the ground to a software patents law suit against google. They patented evil after all...
Copyright infringement is "piracy" in the same way DRM is "consumer rape"
I take great issue with the statement:
"Companies that create no content of their own, and make money solely on the backs of other people's content, are raking in billions through advertising revenue and I.P.O.s"
For what it is worth, Google does make a lot of money on the work of others, but not by copying or stealing it. Google and other search engines analyze, categorize, and parse copyrighted material and create indexes that make it easy to search. Makes that one document in billions findable.
This is no small feat, and copyright holders are making more money with google than without. Google indexes about 8-10 billion documents. They make zero cash for the documents. They make money providing a service to the people searching for material. That service is finding documents. The copyright holders should count themselves fortunate.
It is a self serving argument that some of google's cash belongs to me because they use my documents. Google drives people looking for your data to you. If you don't want this service that is done for you for free, then you can opt out at any time.
"Competition is heating up between Google, the world's dominant search engine, and Microsoft, which recently entered the Web search market."
OUCH! That's gotta hurt...
'This writing business. Pencils and what-not. Over-rated if you ask me. Silly stuff. Nothing in it' - Eeyore
The copyright law in the US is pretty old school.
On behalf of all Canadians, I invite you guys to move your great company to Toronto, Vancouver, or better yet, Montreal! We have cheap labour here, strong liberty and privacy protections, a great communication network, and best of all: modern copyright laws (which deal relatively well with the Internet).
Plus, hint, hint, executives, you won't get arrested under some random new anti-porn/gambling/freespeach law-of-the-day!
A government is a body of people notably ungoverned - AC