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Adobe Tackles Photo Forgeries

Several readers wrote in with a Wired story about the work Adobe is doing to detect photo forgery. They are working with Canon and Reuters (which suffered massive bad publicity last year over a doctored war photo) and a professor from Dartmouth. (Here is Reuters's policy on photo editing.) Adobe plans to produce a suite of photo-authentication tools based on the work of Hany Farid (PDF) for release in 2008.

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  1. garbage in garbage out by minus_273 · · Score: 1, Troll

    how are you going to detect forgeries when there is an editorial decision to use a forgery to present biased news (see al-ruters) ? shouldnt this be something the general public should hae to put a check on the mainstream media.

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    1. Re:garbage in garbage out by Goaway · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I am sorry, but the world inside your head is not actually visible to other people. We are thus unable to "see" it, as per your request.

    2. Re:garbage in garbage out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well said. I also note the error in the Slashdot article in which "doctored photos" is used in the singular. Anybody who read anything in the past couple of years knows that Al Reuters and AP REPEATEDLY used fraudulent photos to support their agendas. And when called on it, as they were REPEATEDLY, they either ignored it or denied it.

      The dumbest students in any university are in the School of Education. The second-dumbest and the most opinionated go into the School of Journalism. Those of us in engineering and the hard sciences would only run into these idiots on weekends, when we were all getting shitfaced at the student union (the drinking age was 18 then).

      And then we wonder why the CNN news director says that American troops are "targeting" journalists in the war zone. Sheeeyeah, right!

    3. Re:garbage in garbage out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      garbage in garbage out (Score:0, Troll)
      by minus_273 (174041) on Thursday March 08, @09:55AM (#18276112)

      how are you going to detect forgeries when there is an editorial decision to use a forgery to present biased news (see al-ruters) ? shouldnt this be something the general public should hae to put a check on the mainstream media.

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      Modded down from "1: Insightful" to "0: Troll" as I type.

      You must be new here. If you had made some disparaging commend about "Faux News," the independent-minded correct-thinkers of Slashbot would have modded you +5 Funny/Insightful/Informative.

    4. Re:garbage in garbage out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Al-Reuters?

      Puhlease.

      You're either a radical Zionist zealot or an LGFer.

      Spare us your paranoia.

    5. Re:garbage in garbage out by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Al-Reuters?

      Puhlease.

      You're either a radical Zionist zealot or an LGFer.

      Spare us your paranoia. The pictures speak for themselves. One need not be on the side of Zionism to see that Hezbollah plays a pretty good game of propaganda. I particularly like the ubiquity of Green Helmet Guy, the apparent Hezbollah media director.

      Face it, all those assholes in that part of the world who are at each others throats are same. It's political shitheads like that on both sides that make life unpleasent for normal folks.
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  2. Linky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    PDF is boring. HTML is awesome. Here's the work of Hany Faid in HTML, courtesy of Google.

    1. Re:Linky by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 1

      And now Google gets the page views instead of the people who actually published the document. I mentioned that because the number of page views they get might matter to them. On the other hand, I had no intention of clicking on that PDF file; but I actually looked at the article since there was an HTML version.

  3. Why not... by brian.gunderson · · Score: 4, Funny

    Warning : The photo you are trying to open may have been altered. Allow / Cancel?

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    1. Re:Why not... by foniksonik · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's Cancel or Allow... the Apple commercials always say "Cancel or Allow?"

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    2. Re:Why not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Warning! Your "Cancel or Allow" prompt may have been altered: "Cancel or Allow"?
      *Clicks "Allow"*
      Warning! Your "Cancel or Allow" prompt may have been altered: "Cancel or Allow"?
      *Clicks "Allow"*
      Warning! Your "Cancel or Allow" prompt may have been altered: "Cancel or Allow"?
      *Smashes computer against a brick wall*
      ...


    3. Re:Why not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      learn when not to kill a joke please.. ty

    4. Re:Why not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Joke? Who's joking?

    5. Re:Why not... by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      It's a bit more like this..

      Warning! Your "Cancel or Allow" prompt may have been altered: "Cancel or Allow"?
      *Clicks "Allow"*
      You have lost your network connection
      You have connected a USB device
      Warning! Your "Cancel or Allow" prompt may have been altered: "Cancel or Allow"?
      You have joined a network
      You seem to be writing a letter, want me to help?
      Someone just walked past your house
      *Clicks "Allow"*
      Warning! Your "Cancel or Allow" prompt may have been altered: "Cancel or Allow"?
      In a forest 3400 miles away, a tree just fell down
      You have lost your network connection
      An alert window has appeared
      I am an alert window
      The red light on the front of your laptop that does nothing is flashing
      Warning! Your "Cancel or Allow" prompt may have been altered: "Cancel or Allow"?
      *Smashes computer against a brick wall*

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  4. Matching images to cameras by AmIAnAi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't help thinging that matching images to individual cameras will be a dangerous step, particularly for those working in less 'democratic' counties. I hope this will be an option that can be turned off, but I expect it will not.

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    1. Re:Matching images to cameras by aadvancedGIR · · Score: 1

      You mean, like the test page they made with every typewritter in the USSR?

    2. Re:Matching images to cameras by Joe+Decker · · Score: 3, Informative

      Too late, It's already done. The Exif information from the cameras I use already includes the camera serial number. (Not that I'm disagreeing with your point.)

    3. Re:Matching images to cameras by c_forq · · Score: 1

      Isn't there already technology that does this with printers? I seem to remember reading that printers put a certain pattern of yellow dots detectable to anyone with a good scanner, and that at least the FBI had access to a database connecting the pattern to the printer.

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    4. Re:Matching images to cameras by Flibz · · Score: 1

      I assumed this meant matching particular noise patterns/compression/levels etc to particular ccd/body configurations, not this is camera x12345 owned by Paranoid of Pilkington

    5. Re:Matching images to cameras by bustersnyvel · · Score: 5, Informative

      Too late, It's already done. The Exif information from the cameras I use already includes the camera serial number. (Not that I'm disagreeing with your point.)

      Of course, EXIF contains a lot of information about your camera. However, the data is digital, and can thus be edited. You are free to remove any identifying data from the EXIF headers before you publish your images.

    6. Re:Matching images to cameras by JazzLad · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, we're gonna be in REAL trouble when they learn to embed cameras' serial numbers in a digital photo non-digitally ... for one thing, they'll be a ***** to transport ;)

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    7. Re:Matching images to cameras by Tophe · · Score: 2, Informative

      Only jpg files support Exif so saving the picture as a png (or other format) will eliminate the Exif data very quickly and easily.

    8. Re:Matching images to cameras by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 2, Informative

      All RAW formats I know of do as well, as do Adobe's various ones.

      Regardless, EXIF is easily edited and tells us little to nothing about the original image's authenticity.

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    9. Re:Matching images to cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TIF files can also contain embedded information, such as the filename (including full path) that it was originally saved to disk under (as a TIF, after conversion from JPEG). You can check for this by running the Unix strings utility, although that only works for ASCII encoded text.

    10. Re:Matching images to cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    11. Re:Matching images to cameras by skoaldipper · · Score: 1

      Maybe not EXIF related, but there is an alternative solution.

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    12. Re:Matching images to cameras by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      There are means to actually match photos to the sensor that took the photo even if that EXIF information was removed, and I think that's what is being suggested.

    13. Re:Matching images to cameras by Tophe · · Score: 1

      Yes, you're right. I wasn't very specific. What I meant was of the photo formats commonly used on the net, only jpg supports and retains the Exif data.

    14. Re:Matching images to cameras by spiffyman · · Score: 1

      Too bad I used all my mod points yesterday. You took the words right out of my ... fingers.

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    15. Re:Matching images to cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're going to make a digital forgery from an original image and produce a JPEG, then you're going to re-apply the lossy compression algorithm to some arbitrary degree when saving that JPEG, creating new noise patterns, aliasing, loss of detail, pixelation, limitations on the colour range in the photo and so on. I would be curious to know if your idea is practiceable, but I somehow doubt it would be reliable.

    16. Re:Matching images to cameras by nahdude812 · · Score: 1

      It's accessible to anybody with a blue light or decent eyes. Blue LED's work pretty well. Typically it's just a code representing the manufacturer and the serial number for the printer, laid out as a repeating grid of yellow dots across the image in binary. Print an all white sheet and shine a blue light and they'll pop out pretty clearly.

      Here's a list of printers that do this:
      http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/list.php

    17. Re:Matching images to cameras by manwal · · Score: 1

      Not true, at leat not always. With ImageMagick, converting a jpeg image with Exif info into png, and than back to jpeg again, the Exif info is still there.

    18. Re:Matching images to cameras by Tophe · · Score: 1

      Interesting, I didn't know that. Thanks for the tip!

  5. Staged Photographs by Detritus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Besides image manipulation, there is also the problem of staged photographs, as seen in some of the photographs from the recent war in Lebanon. This can't be solved with technology.

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    1. Re:Staged Photographs by spacefight · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Exactly which photographs are you talking about?

    2. Re:Staged Photographs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This can't be solved with technology.

      Yes, and it's also an issue that wasn't introduced with technology (save the camera itself).

    3. Re:Staged Photographs by Detritus · · Score: 1
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    4. Re:Staged Photographs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The OP probably wasn't talking about this case specifically, but a set of staged "Iraq abuse" photos caused a big issue for several newspapers here in the UK a few years ago.

      Couldn't have happened to a nicer man, though.

    5. Re:Staged Photographs by reset_button · · Score: 1

      Here are a couple links about it.

    6. Re:Staged Photographs by c_forq · · Score: 5, Informative

      Back in the US invasion of Cuba good old Teddy Roosevelt had bodies moved from one battle front to the one his Rough Riders were on for photographic purposes. There are also incidents of a famous civil war photographer having multiple pictures of the same corpse in different poses in multiple locations. This isn't anything new and it will probably never go away as long as photography is an effective medium of communication.

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    7. Re:Staged Photographs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy crap, Strongmad! You got a post that links to Zombie, and Charles Johnson and his Lizardoid minion army rated +5 informative! (The other URL is no more. It is an ex-link.)

      Who cares that the links contain factual, researched, and documentary evidence of malfeasance (to be kind), that's still a hat trick!

      (We'll see how the moderation fares when the Mom's basement /. crowd comes up for pop-tarts this afternoon.)

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    8. Re:Staged Photographs by Microlith · · Score: 1

      FARK has taught me to be wary of littlegreenfootballs, and any material sourced there.

    9. Re:Staged Photographs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ambulance one is interesting, but false or not, ambulances ARE attacked, and the Palestinian Red Cross/Red Crescent have hundreds of incidents of ambulances being shot, with dead ambulance drivers etc.

    10. Re:Staged Photographs by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      FARK has taught me to be wary of littlegreenfootballs, and any material sourced there. What are their biases, and can you give me some examples?
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    11. Re:Staged Photographs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you're saying is ... false, but accurate?

    12. Re:Staged Photographs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      RE: LGF -- they do screw up occaisionally but they also admit it when they have screwed up and publish the appropriate retraction. In terms of accuracy, it's a decent source for news, but you can't cherry pick articles from it no more then grabbing a single newspaper off the shelf of an archive would have you miss the correction to the story published next week.

      On the other hand if you don't like the fact that it's a politically conservative site about the current state of the world and documenting people set on fire in the name of Islam, that's fine too. But don't say it's inaccurate, merely that you disagree.

      As far as the photos are concerned, I don't think it's open to debate. The facts are that the photos were published and presented to the reader as accurate representations when they really depicted staged and altered scenes.

    13. Re:Staged Photographs by jfuredy · · Score: 1

      . . . This isn't anything new and it will probably never go away as long as photography is an effective medium of communication. That may be true, but it certainly doesn't make it "journalism." It makes it "art" in the eyes of the photographer that fabricates the scene. There is no truth or reality left in it.
    14. Re:Staged Photographs by boingo82 · · Score: 1

      A good example is Unlucky property woman, who shows up wailing in front of an awful lot of destroyed buildings.

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    15. Re:Staged Photographs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      False example, but the actual and underlying issues still exist, despite being mislead by a single bad example at hand.

    16. Re:Staged Photographs by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      Truth is relative. If you don't like some facts or evidences, simply ignore them and adhere to your "higher" truth. No need to separate LGF's snarky commentary from the actual facts, simply dismiss everything they say and believe whatever you want.

      It's easy to be a member of the reality based community when you get to pick and choose your reality.

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  6. Bad Control by bdrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thats fine that Adobe's creating this software, but the bottom line is poor control with reuters. When reuters can prove their internal controls will stop altered images from making it to press, thats when their integrity may start to come back.

    1. Re:Bad Control by growse · · Score: 1

      How would you go about "proving" this?

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  7. Forgeries? by Grashnak · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is such a thing possible? Could it be that my meticulously gathered and maintained gallery of explicit photos of Star Trek personnel is less than authentic? Why was I informed of this earlier?

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  8. It begins by inviolet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Thus begins another arms race.

    If there is a tool for detecting forgeries, then the forgery tools will evolve to defeat it. With its help.

    Welcome, Ape Lords, to the Information Age. You'll find that your cultures, mores, traditions, rituals, and sensibilities are woefully outdated. But please, don't let that stop you from legislatively forcing your old argrarian peg into this very new, very round hole.

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    1. Re:It begins by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      Thus begins another arms race.

      If there is a tool for detecting forgeries, then the forgery tools will evolve to defeat it. With its help.
      I agree, but Reuters and the AP aren't trying to stop l33t haxxors, they're trying to stop journalists.

      A serious part of the problem with the status quo is that there are no controls.

      The technology may have all the effectiveness of security theater, or it may be as effective as Sarbanes-Oxley. Either way, once it is in place the parent corporation will pass blame to the journalist/photographer instead of accepting it for themselves.

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    2. Re:It begins by ElephanTS · · Score: 1

      You nailed it really. This game never ends - there is always the counter-measure. I used to study evolution and you can go back millions of years watching the 'arms races' between insects and plants for instance. Plant evolves poison, insect evolves immunity, plant modifies poison, insect changes immunity. There is always a short term gain though - that's the pressure the drives the evolution. Computer strategies evolve so quickly I find it fascinating. 4 years ago WEP was a perfect solution for WiFi security, now it can be cracked in minutes making WEP ancient history. It's so quick...

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  9. Re:I wish I were dead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So kill yourself- or are you too much of a pathetic sniveling coward? Yeah, I thought so.

  10. Bad Publicity by bricko · · Score: 0, Troll

    Bad "publicity" is the least of what "Al-Reuters" suffers from.

  11. The solution by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is to build a Trusted Imaging Infrastructure. DRM in the camera will sign the pictures as being genuine with a public key. This will obviously need a new image file format, .TII. This will be proprietary and tied down with patents, and the patent licenses will force licensees to not re sign edited images. Obviously this will mean that cameras and computers will need to implement a Trusted Imaging Infrastrusture too, to make sure that people are unable to resign images after editing them. Unsigned images or images in legacy file formats will be downsampled and POSSIBLY FAKE will be watermarked across them when they are shown on compliant operating systems. Trusted images will be handled by a protected part of the operating system. Possibly CPU maufacturers will add support for trusted image editing functionality in the form of efuses that cause the CPU to self destruct when asked to edit a TII file.

    I propose a TII licensing authority composed of Adobe, various camera manufacturers, Microsoft and Apple to arrange the NDAs and licenses. Obviously illegal legacy image editing tools like GIMP will be imported from non TII approved countries, but they must be seized under the DMCA and their owners sent to Gitmo.

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    1. Re:The solution by scorpionsoft.be · · Score: 1

      As long as you can view it, you can fake it - copy the picture (printscreen, etc) - edit the picture - print out the picture - take a picture of it you have a signed picture ! I hope something like this will be used on reuters! * insert funny genuine(TM) pictures of popes,presidents,.. *

  12. is all this really necessary? by penp · · Score: 1

    With as much wireless technology as there is at our disposal, wouldn't it be possible to create a program that would automatically generate authenticity verification files as soon as a camera was hooked up to the computer (and sent to a server)? Better yet, a version of photoshop for people in the news industry that has manipulative tools locked. Wouldn't something like that be more feasible?

    1. Re:is all this really necessary? by Yoozer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Better yet, a version of photoshop for people in the news industry that has manipulative tools locked. Wouldn't something like that be more feasible?
      As feasible as glued-shut DVD players and self-destructing iPods with a removed clickwheel. Whatever you can see or hear, you can duplicate; whatever shows up on the screen or goes through an output can be captured.
  13. Let me take a guess by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Will it involve digital micro dots?

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    1. Re:Let me take a guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Farid's research is in detecting when a given image had been edited. This has nothing to do with watermarking or microdots; if it works, it would work even with existing images that have no such extra information added to them.

      (If you're curious: digitally modifying images changes higher-order statistics in the wavelet domain. Farid's group has come up with statistical tests that are supposedly reliable enough to be able to tell if a given image has ever been tampered with, by checking these statistical properties. The same idea can be used to detect many kinds of steganography. You can see more in many of the papers here).

  14. Re:I wish I were dead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't listen to my evil twin AC. There is always hope while you're alive. Just keep going. :)

  15. You know what would be cool... by s31523 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If digital cameras did some sort of "unbreakable" digital signature via steganography or checksum or something when pictures were snapped. In this day and age I think that would be great. You snap a picture, and bam the pixels are embedded with something such that an alterations to the picture could be detected.

    1. Re:You know what would be cool... by Joe+Decker · · Score: 3, Informative

      Canon's DSLRs do checksum the data, there's a verification tool as well. Of course that only works with the original uncropped data, but it does give you a fairly firm reference to which you can compare any derivative versions.

    2. Re:You know what would be cool... by maxume · · Score: 1

      If you develop a trusted tool chain, from end to end, it reduces the question from 'What did the photographer do to the photo?' to 'Is my tool chain secure and did the photographer use it?'; if the tool chain is not secure, you have no way of knowing if it was used. In some(many?) situations, it might be easier to issue a camera with trust level X to a random photographer than to find a photographer with trust level X. The secure tools don't remove trust assumptions from the equation, but they allow you to shift where you are making them.

      At this point, there isn't any 'unbreakable' security, there is 'broken' and 'unbroken', with the chief distinguisher of 'unbroken' being that the resources needed to defeat it are 'currently unavailable' and maybe 'to most entities'. I can hide stuff from my mom with a substitution cipher, but no one *knows* what it takes to hide something from say, the NSA(there are people who can make some very good assumptions).

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  16. Uhhh, perhaps some non-biased humans are needed to by SengirV · · Score: 4, Informative

    How is Adobe going to find other faked war photos like these?

    http://zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/r1891896 384.jpg
    http://zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/r3577351 291.jpg

    or the woman who shows up to cry over every and all bombed buildings in Reuters' world

    http://zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/beirutwo man2.jpg

    Source - http://zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/

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  17. Anti-photoshop? by Big+Nothing · · Score: 5, Funny

    So now they're making both Photoshop and Anti-Photoshop? Whon't those two take out each other? Like pasta and anti-pasta?

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    1. Re:Anti-photoshop? by aadvancedGIR · · Score: 1

      They can ask a few advices from McAfee.

    2. Re:Anti-photoshop? by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      >So now they're making both Photoshop and Anti-Photoshop? Whon't those two take out each other? Like pasta and anti-pasta?

      Yup, they'll annihilate each other in a shower of hard gamma photons.

  18. It could probably be done with Jpeg by grahamsz · · Score: 1

    Couldn't the camera just place the signature in the Exif data. That way we could know that the photo in question came directly from the camera with serial number XYZ?

    Of course i can doctor my photo, print it and then rephotograph it. Damn analog hole.

    1. Re:It could probably be done with Jpeg by Joe+Decker · · Score: 1
      Of course i can doctor my photo, print it and then rephotograph it. Damn analog hole.

      Recording the lens used with the camera and an estimate of the focus distance (which Canon already does in their DSLRs, although not all of their lenses return distance information yet), and then using that as part of any cryptographic hash data verification would give you a little more protection.

    2. Re:It could probably be done with Jpeg by grahamsz · · Score: 1

      I dont think it would be too hard to overcome that. With some lens mount converters you could leave your real lens dangling off camera but with all the electrical connections in place when you've really got a manual focus lens pointing at the image.

    3. Re:It could probably be done with Jpeg by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Of course i can doctor my photo, print it and then rephotograph it. Damn analog hole.

      Not really, TII images will be downsampled, or possibly replaced with clip art of a terrorist if you print them. Unless you have a TII compliant printer of course, then they'll have a watermark which will cause scanners to request a license for editing from the TII key repository and replace them with clipart of a terrorist if one can't be found due to network problems. TII researchers are working on Goedel sequences in watermarks to defeature non TII compliant scanners.

      Couldn't the camera just place the signature in the Exif data.

      The existing EXIF standard doesn't meet the Rich Metadata requirements of TII. For example EXIF only allows for a maximum of 24 bit images. TII allows with upto 2^32 bits of color depth ( 2^64 bit depth in TII64 ).

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    4. Re:It could probably be done with Jpeg by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      This comment contains trade secrets owned by the TII LA. Additionally, by reading this post, your brain is emulating an algorithm protected by patents, and thus violating them.

      I hereby request that slashdot be shut down under DMCA, and the Trusted Infrastructure Patented Algorithm Protection Act.

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    5. Re:It could probably be done with Jpeg by Joe+Decker · · Score: 1

      Sure, although that wouldn't leave you with the right lens information in place. Obviously, like any one-way has sort of security all of this is only as good as the ability of people to reproduce the hash.

    6. Re:It could probably be done with Jpeg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can easily strip most if not all metadata from images (to optimize to reduce filesize, e.g. for use on the web), and then edit the resulting file to include the necessary JFIF/EXIF/IPTC/legacy IPTC fields. With most professional photography it becomes unimportant after an image was taken whether the file stores details of focal length, aperture, exposure time or whether a flash fired. Rather, it becomes important to fill in an accurate description of what is happening in the picture, and of course the photographer/source/copyright fields so you can claim ownership and get paid more easily for having something published.

  19. There's nothing new here at all... by Tokimasa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://www.ws.binghamton.edu/fridrich/publications .html

    I'm familiar with some of her work. Specifically, the papers "Detection of Copy-Move Forgery in Digital Images", "Determining Digital Image Origin Using Sensor Imperfections", "Digital Bullet Scratches for Images", "Digital Camera Identification from Sensor Noise",

    However, the paper "Detecting Digital Image Forgeries Using Sensor Pattern Noise" from last year covers the topic of this article perfectly.

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  20. One thing you won't see mentioned here by Illbay · · Score: 5, Insightful
    These forgeries have become the stock-in-trade of the "stringers" used by "venerable" news agencies such as Reuters and AP. Many of these stringers are in fact confederates of terrorists and criminals, and their work is part of the disinformation campaign that is part of the GWOT.

    However, it is impossible for Reuters (known by many as "al-Reuters") or AP (a.k.a. Associated [with terrorists] Press) not to know that they're being "used." In fact, they are willing accomplices, for the old-line media are now and have been for three decades in league with any and every force arrayed against the United States of America, in the interest of "giving both sides of the story."

    Up next: a parade of "mainstream media" executive-types testifying before the U.S. Congress in favor of "the fairness doctrine," so they can gain their hegemony back through legal fiat, that they lost through their own arrogant duplicity.

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    1. Re:One thing you won't see mentioned here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      riiiiiiiight. only fox news and the journalists embedded with OUR troops are objective.

      oh, right, embedded with AMERICAN troops. /me is from germany

    2. Re:One thing you won't see mentioned here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reuters (known by many as "al-Reuters")

      Fuck me, are Americans really so right-wing that they think that
      Reuters is a terrorist organisation? What next? "Hitler and
      his liberal conspiracy against American World Leadership (TM)"?
      The Bush Jugend?

    3. Re:One thing you won't see mentioned here by db32 · · Score: 1

      So, I notice you didn't weigh in on when the other side does the same thing? I don't disagree that there have been numerous problems with this type of thing, but you seem to leave out the pro-war side's shenanagins. I think you are quick to jump on the right wing bandwagon of calling some of these outlets terrorist organizations, it has FAR more to do with money and ratings than it does any kind of support on either side. When your readers/viewers are primarily left wingers, you play anti-war up bigtime for them, when your readers/viewers are primarily right wingers you play pro-war up big time for them. Contrary to popular *winger belief, it really is possible for both sides to be wrong, and for the media to take full advantage of it to get their dollars.

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    4. Re:One thing you won't see mentioned here by TigerPlish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These forgeries have become the stock-in-trade of the "stringers" used by "venerable" news agencies such as Reuters and AP. Many of these stringers are in fact confederates of terrorists and criminals, and their work is part of the disinformation campaign that is part of the GWOT. Ask for a refund for your tinfoil hat. I think it is broken.

      Photo manipulation has been around since the beginning of photography. Proving a photograph has been diddled with can be quite difficult.

      So now you say AP and Reuters work for the "other side". That "stringers" are in the employ of terrorists and criminals. Proof? Sources? Or is it that you don't like to see photographs critical of our policies and actions here and abroad?

      I mean, that's what photojournalism is for -- to show Joe and Jane Sixpack things they normally wouldn't see. If you ask me, I'll tell you part of the distaste our country had for the Vietnam war was fueled by photographs taken in Vietnam by photographers represented by AP, Reuters, Magnum, and other agencies. Like Nick Ut's shot of the girl running towards the camera, skin fairly melting off from a napalm strike. Or like a series LIFE ran showing a day in the life of a helicopter crew, including the pain of mortal wounds, the reactions of the chopper's crew to their crewmate's loss.. the anger and pain and frustration visibile on the gunner's face after a mission goes bad and they lose half the crew? Were those faked? Were those pictures taken to aid the other side? I don't think so. They were taken in the heat of battle, they show battle, and what comes out of battle. Mainly injury and death. That should be shown, regardless of whose death or injury it is. War by nature is injurious -- people need to be reminded of that. Preferably without something like Fox MovieTone News filtering it, cleaning it up and sanitizing it for our protection.

      Y'know, like Fox News does today. They *ARE* the MovieTone News of our times, and are every inch as fake and hokey as MovieTone newsreels were back in the day.

      No thanks. I'd rather see the real deal, un-diddled, un-edited, preferably from an agency born from 2 great war photographers: Magnum.

      Good photojournalism shows you the image, and nothing more. It is up to the viewer to decide if what is being depicted is good, or bad. If it is in line with our goals, or not. Good photojournalism makes the viewer think about things they may not like to think about.

      To paint all photographers with your broad brush does the profession a disservice. These people risk their lives to get that picture.

      Maybe you'd like to read up on one Robert Capa, and how he got his ticket punched in what would later be called the Vietnam War, in 1955, after being retired, after vowing never to cover a war after covering WWII, after going into Normandy with the 1st wave. He went to Vietnam as a favor to LIFE (who'd bailed him out many a time).. stepped off a truck in a convoy to get a shot of the convoy, triggered a landmine, and died with his Contax II in his hand. When you tar and feather the entire profession, you're also tarring and feathering people who gave their lives so the Western press could show people like you what was going on in some hellhole whose name no one can even pronounce right. Just like photographers today risk their lives to show you what we're doing in some other hellhole whose name we can't even pronounce right. >.

      Or is it that you *dont* want anyone to see what our armed forces are doing Over There, at the command of our deranged politicians and policies? Hmmm?

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    5. Re:One thing you won't see mentioned here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we have these "journalists" during WWII, Europe would be speaking German by now, as the US people would have dropped support, just due to the bad photos. War is ugly, but sometimes (and I'm not justifying Iraq... that is something else) its a necessary evil.

    6. Re:One thing you won't see mentioned here by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      that's what photojournalism is for -- to show Joe and Jane Sixpack things they normally wouldn't see.
      Even when the reason they wouldn't otherwise see it is that it didn't really happen?
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    7. Re:One thing you won't see mentioned here by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

      Even when the reason they wouldn't otherwise see it is that it didn't really happen? That's why pjs who make bogus images, once outed, are pretty much relegated to making pictures of somene's snot-nosed anklebiters at the local Sears. Their own community shuns 'em. No agency will carry their stuff, once it's proven to be bogus.

      Fox may be interested in bogus photos, natch. They've built an empire around bogus.

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  21. well by mastershake_phd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you were able to figure out how the software works you might be able to make undetectable forgeries. At the very least, if you had a copy, you could use it to see if your changes will be detected.

  22. balance... by Animaether · · Score: 2, Interesting

    between:
    the Red Cross claiming Israel shot a missile into one of their ambulances
    and
    U.S. intelligence agencies being adamant about Iraq having WMD's to get enough support to launch an invasion there

    I'd say things are just nicely balancing out.

    Only shame is that Shame it's a balance of lies rather than truths. Welcome to the status quo of the world since 'civilization' started, though.

    1. Re:balance... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      U.S. intelligence agencies being adamant about Iraq having WMD's to get enough support to launch an invasion there

      I'd say things are just nicely balancing out.
      I'd say you're an idiot. Two evils only add to the evil of the world, they do not "balance out". It's shitheads like you who believe in "sides" that cause the problem in the first place. Why don't you go drink a bottle of Drano and "balance out" the crap coming out of your mouth.
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    2. Re:balance... by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      It wasn't just the US intelligence community claiming this. It was EVERY intelligence community. Saddam had them at one time, that's undisputed fact. But he refused to offer any evidence that he got rid of them. We (the UN) gave him more than enough time to demonstrate his compliance with the resolutions, be he never even bothered to try. We warned him once. We warned him twice. We warned him a third and a fourth time. We tried every available option before invasion. Then when we did used the last option, nearly every Democrat in congress voted to do so.

      Saddam was bluffing, but we had no way of knowing until we called him on it.

      BUT REGARDLESS: two wrongs do not make a right! You are not justified in lying because someone else is lying. You are not justified in manufacturing fake news because someone else is doing it.

      The high moral ground cannot be purchased with lies and forgeries.

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  23. Same problem by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a technical solution to a social problem. The problem is that journalists wish to change the world, and they can change it by slanting the news to conform with their personal beliefs. Also, journalists who merely report what goes on are derided as "police blotter reporters" or worse. It's expected that they'll go out of their way to make a story where none existed before. The idea that fraud detection will eliminate photo forgeries is naive, because they will always happen.

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    1. Re:Same problem by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 1

      And to an even greater extent the problem is that we aren't sure how much manipulation to allow before we call a particular shot a forgery.

      Here is an original scan of a negative from the FSA photo project, a Jack Delano shot.

      Here is the scan of the print.

      Obviously we aren't talking about some massive fakery here, no people have been edited in or out, no machine gun nets have been added. But the print is definitely different from the negative. what if this were done with smoke coming from a building, or blood on a sidewalk, or something else that could be emphasized or not in order elicit a certain emotional response?

      This is certiantly an issue that will require social solution long before we can bring technology into it.

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    2. Re:Same problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A lot" is two words. You wouldn't say "alittle", would you?
      I would. Sometimes alot, sometimes alittle.

    3. Re:Same problem by Mercedes308 · · Score: 1

      Most reasonable people should be able to discern the difference between fair post developing (as per your links) and forgery. It is actually very rare for a raw negative (film or digital) to go straight to print without being processed to some degree. Particularly with digital Raw where the format inherently records as much information as possible in which post processing is needed to improve the tonal balance etc of the final print. I'm not having a dig at you or anything, this is the subject that has been exhaustively discussed over the years and most people tend to agree that normal post work is acceptable.

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    4. Re:Same problem by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      That's an easy problem - the question is one of intent. If you don't intend to change the meaning of the picture by cropping, adjusting color, etc, then it's fine. If your idea is to manipulate the photo or news story in order to advocate a certain point of view, then that journalist needs to be kicked out of the profession permanently. Of course, you get the "cop effect" where journalists protect their own and say that it's not so bad. Anyway...

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  24. WAIT by um...+Lucas · · Score: 1

    A suite of photo-authentication tools under development by Adobe Systems could make it possible to match a digital photo to the camera that shot it, and to detect some improper manipulation of images, Wired News has learned.

    Am I the only one that found this sentence in the introduction more than a little scary?

    Say, Tom takes a picture of his friend Mary and posts it online. Some time later, they cease being friends, and Mary does something terribly wrong. Police find the picture of Mary and find out that Camera A took the picture. It is determined that Tom's credit card purchased camera A. Before questioning Tom, police first try to catalog all other pictures he's ever take and (could) perhaps cross reference it all with GPS data supplied by his cell phone.

    Is this worrying, or do should I get a tin foil hat?

    I understand and enjoy how technology allows US to do stuff we couldn't dream of before. I hate that the same technology lets THEM do what they've only ever dreamt of before.

    1. Re:WAIT by Tokimasa · · Score: 1

      You don't think this technology exists? Look at some of the papers I linked to in a previous comment from SUNY Binghamton.

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    2. Re:WAIT by geoffspear · · Score: 1

      You should get a tin foil hat if you're seriously worried about the police going through the records of everything you've ever done without any probable cause because someone you used to be friends with committed a crime that you obviously weren't involved in. Being able to identify pictures you took with this camera is entirely irrelevant to that kind of paranoia; who's to say the police won't just come to your house and take all of your photo albums and negatives along with getting all of your credit card records, etc., because they heard from someone that you used to be friends with some random criminal years ago?

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    3. Re:WAIT by um...+Lucas · · Score: 1

      Well, the way I outlined means that one can be even more thoroughly investigated WITHOUT being aware that they're being investigated. The way that you outlined, one is aware of what's occuring, and can demand to know why they're being investigated, can have a lawyer question why such and such might be considered evidence, etc.

  25. Only good for poor work by LoudMusic · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Using their example image ...

    The clone stamp detection tool highlights areas of the image where there is improbable sameness, revealing the cloned section and its origin. The very small area highlighted in the clouds are the sameness/pattern created by nature. You'll only get "sameness" if you're using the clone stamp at or near 100% opacity. I use about 20% opacity and clone stamp from multiple locations to avoid visible "sameness". This technique overlaps multiple patterns at various strengths to create a new unique pattern. Anyone who's any good at photo-manipulation would do at least the same thing.

    The real power of such an application would be finding where elements have been added to the photograph. And unfortunately Adobe has made such a great product in Photoshop that blending edges of cropped in objects is pretty darn easy too. I do it all the time adding in blue skies to my pictures. The difficulty would be in getting shadows to line up the same and have the same intensity. Or detecting color balance inconsistencies where two images were mapped together starting with different levels of blue, for instance. Or maybe finding different JPG blockiness levels in different areas of a photograph.

    But pretty much anything that software can attempt to detect, other software and careful editor diligence could defeat.
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    1. Re:Only good for poor work by Tokimasa · · Score: 1

      You are forgetting about the noise pattern. Any kind of editing will alter the noise pattern. If you know what camera took the image, you can see if the entire image matches the camera's noise pattern. If not, editing happened. I highly doubt people interested in forging images will go through the trouble of editing the noise pattern for the camera.

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    2. Re:Only good for poor work by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      I use about 20% opacity and clone stamp from multiple locations to avoid visible "sameness". Whilst this may avoid the detection method described, it will also have the effect of averaging out noise- maybe not visibly, but very possibly noticeable if someone is trying to determine if an image has been forged.
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  26. Doctoring? Yes. by toddhisattva · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes, Adnan Hajj's unfortunate images were "doctored" as in "given too much medicine," the medicine being dust & scratch removal.

    But it was not faked, nor was image content "cloned" with that tool.

    This Image Is Not Faked

    The next step, if someone was paying me for this, would be to try to replicate the disaster using some readily-available dust & scratch removal software, like Sane for the GIMP.

    If Hajj's lawyer or Reuters were laying appropriate bucks at my feet, I would explore the problem through SciPy and PIL.

    Hajj's disastrous image is an example of the kinds of errors we will have to get used to recognizing.

    In the olden days, we would correct scratches by putting a drop of light mineral oil on the negative and putting glass over that. The oil filled in the scratches similar to the way the DCTs fill in the scratches nowadays.

    Reuters deserved some reputation damage, as Hajj's photos aren't all that great and quite obviously Reuters's photo editor was asleep at the switch.

    But accusing them of publishing faked photos is in this case fakery itself: pretending to knowledge that nobody has.

    (Claimer: I was a photojournalist for various school organs for about a decade. I've done DSP professionally several times, and love doing it in my free time as well. If you count my PWM synth for the Apple ][, I've been doing DSP since 1979.)

  27. I was stunned... by encoderer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone that wants a glimpse of how industry & life worked in the USSR should check out the book Armageddon Averted by Stephen Kotkin.

    He describes in that book how typewriters were more closely controlled in the USSR than assault weapons.

    Another interesting--but totally unrelated tidbit--is that the factories were rewarded based on tonnage produced. So all the steel companies would only produce 1" thick steel plating. There was a dearth of thin steel sheeting.

    So car companies would have to buy the thicker steel and mill it down to a workable thickness..

    There's hundreds of anecdotes like that. It blew my mind.

  28. You mean like CNN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Canadian war correspondent Scott Taylor (he is an ex army guy who runs a military mag called Esprit de Corps and was kidnapped in Iraq for over a week and lived.) once explained in a seminar how major news organizations stage their interventions for maximum pathos.

    He talks about C.Amanpour. who made her career covering for the US administration in Bosnia, in Kosovo during our bombing raids which forced people to flee in all directions. She was in some camp where he was interviewing people and she was screaming at her cameraman that she didnt want video of men in the camp playing basketball in the background and that they had to find her sadder looking people for her report to work.

    Taylor is a no-nonsense, no BS kind of guy and the stories he had about news organization manipulating events to fit the message they had to give were numerous.

    1. Re:You mean like CNN? by ErikTheRed · · Score: 1

      A pricelessly funny example of that sort of thing was in the movie "Thank You for Smoking" where a US Senator is screaming at a subordinate about how the "cancer boy" they provided for a television talk show didn't look sufficiently hopeless. If you haven't seen the movie, it's highly recommended.

      These days, 99.99% of the reporting is drowning in spin from some side or other because reporters now feel like they have to convey "truthiness" and "perspective" (or their version of it) rather than just hard facts. Some of this is because news organizations have to make money to exist, and if they pander to one side or the other it attacts eyeballs (Fox on the Right, NBC on the left are the extreme examples). Like politicians, they've figured out that they can "divide and conquor" - get people to take dogmatic positions on an issue and "join the team" so to speak. After all, it saves people the trouble of thinking for themselves and making up their own minds - a major hassle in today's busy world. Nearly all of the news media has come to justify this by saying it adds value and is some sort of public service, and they've begun to thoroughly buy their own bullshit. This is compounded by the laziness factor - a very significant amount of "reportage" out there just takes press releases and rewords them slightly (if that). If I want to get an article about my business printed in a local newspaper or magazine, I pretty much just write the article for them or it doesn't happen.

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  29. Re:Doctoring? Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "hypocrite blog" ? Too funny.

    Why don't you just call Charles Johnson a big fat poopy-head and thereby win any debate immediately?

    Hi-larious. Now show me how the TANG forgeries were perpetrated by Karl Rove and evil Zionists (teh J0000z!!11one) just to make Dan Rather look bad even though they were actually real.

  30. Easy to break with a little science by StreetStealth · · Score: 1

    Furthermore, it should only require the feeding of a good battery of test and control images through the software with various types of manipulations (heck, for statistically reliable numbers it could even be automated) to essentially reverse-engineer Adobe's "authenticity" algorithms by experimentally determining what triggers the "suspect" flag.

    I give it a few weeks at most, really.

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  31. Take a picture of a picture. by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 1

    Now what? The data will match perfectly yet what you see will have been doctored.

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    1. Re:Take a picture of a picture. by tepples · · Score: 1

      Scanning a photograph with a digital camera will produce either 1. an obviously incorrect focusing distance, or 2. evidence that a Trusted Lens was not installed.

  32. Re:Uhhh, perhaps some non-biased humans are needed by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    How is Adobe going to find other faked war photos like these?
    They aren't.
    Editors will still have to do their jobs.

    Either way, these measures will never regain the trust of some people.
    Partisanship has cut too deeply these last few years.

    Some people felt the truthiness of those pictures,
    while others wouldn't have cared if they really happened.
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  33. Re:Uhhh, perhaps some non-biased humans are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow. You are saying that Reuters actually faked those blown up buildings? That must have taken a hell of a lot of work!

  34. Re:Uhhh, perhaps some non-biased humans are needed by SengirV · · Score: 1

    another fan of truthiness I take it.

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  35. Re:I wish I were dead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I second the call for your suicide. Make it a shotgun mouthwash, please.

  36. Nikon already has this by Milhouse102 · · Score: 1

    Nikon has already had something like this for some time now.

    1. Re:Nikon already has this by neocrono · · Score: 1

      Not as long as Canon, it would appear. As pointed out by someone waaay up the comments.

      I remember seeing a press release just recently about a successor to this (here), but I didn't realize the old technology had been around for so long.

  37. that makes two of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish you were dead too.

    if this is about a girl then please do it right. Make sure you blame her fist, then make sure you do it in front of her and blame her again, right before you pull the trigger.

  38. Our paper ... by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

    Is an Air Force publication and falls under their rules and Air Force rules with regard to photo alteration. We crop; we adjust levels and curves; and we saturate between 10-15 percent to compensate for the color you lose when you transition from the digital image to paper. If security requires, we'll "black out" license plates, ID cards, etc., in such a way that it's clear we've altered the photo for security purposes. Anything else gets the image labeled as a photo illustration -- and the "anything else" has to be obvious to the viewer.

    Even cropping, though, can fall into an ethical gray area depending on what you're cropping out of a picture. It's the same issue whether you crop in Photoshop or in the camera's frame of view, but in my experience, it's more "acceptable" to crop a picture with the camera than it would be to crop the same picture in Photoshop.

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  39. Its a trust system by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Obviously, you have a trust system like the others where you have to trust somebody.

    Technology will get to the point where you can't detect the altered photo, sound, or video.

    A digital photo of a crime can be submitted into court TODAY and never get expert review and eventually even the experts will get fooled.

    Devices should sign their data, users can optionally remove it (because somebody will figure that out if its not easy.) Editors should be able to sign it as well, so if you trust the editor, you can trust the image.

  40. Lunacy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't consider myself to be all that bright and I've already thought of about 50 ways to break this. You can always doctor an image and then recapture it with one of these new devices. For a newspaper or small internet photo, you could print out a high quality doctored image and simply take a picture of the printout. Furthermore, I'm sure someone will quickly create a software package to emulate the encryption process and sign the photo as if it was authentic.

  41. Policy not technology is the answer by Straif · · Score: 1

    If you look at most of the Reuters/AP fauxtography issues it boils down to lazy or partisan photogs and editors, not a lack of technology to verify the authenticity of the pictures.

    Bad cloning, the same subjects being shot from different angles and then being used to portray different incidents, or in Times case (it might have been Newsweek originally) an editor taking the photogs own description and then changing it to try and make a accidental tire fire look like a downed Israeli jet. Just look at the Qana and especially the Al-Durah incidents, these were not technological problems but problems with bias reporters in the field (most agencies use local stringers which can owe allegiances to anyone). Anderson Cooper described the situation perfectly when talking about how Hezbollah would drive ambulances up and down the road while eager photographers snapped 'action' shots.

    Nothing Adobe can put out will fix that mess.

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  42. Re:Doctoring? Yes. by phlinn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not convincing. You glossed over the upper left section of smoke, among other things. There was nothing there before hand, it was added, and the same pattern on the left side is obviously repeated. There are obvious buildings added in the editing photo that aren't there in the original. You point to a building at 2c and 2d in your file which is cloned to 3a and 3b. However, the one at 3a and 3b can be seen in the original, but was moved down to the lower section. More importantly, it's not at quite the same relative postion within your gridlines. Shifting down a bit, and over half as much is very plausible, and since it's not actually regular, your argument is completely unconvincing.

    The whole lower half of the original appears to have been copied, sharpened, copied back in lower and to the left, and the smoke added in a vain attempt to cover it up, then cropped to hide the lower right corner which didn't have anything in it. The contrast was increased as well, which definitely makes for a more jarring image.

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  43. Dammit. by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

    and falls under their rules and Air Force rules

    Should have been, "falls under DOD and Air Force rules ..." Shows what I get for not using "preview."

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  44. MOD PARENT UP by vyrus128 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Grandparent is full of shit. First of all, the replicated images are NOT AT THE SAME PLACE relative to the gridlines as the original. That totally negates all the bullshit about humans not editing in powers of two. Secondly, there's no way that dust/scratch removal would stretch the column of smoke upwards in the way it was done in the doctored image. An entire section of the image was displaced upwards, including a whole giant mess o' 16x16 areas. Explain to me what business scratch removal software has doing that?

  45. Re:Uhhh, perhaps some non-biased humans are needed by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

    Those stuffed toys are suspiciously clean.

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  46. Working Photojournalist here by photomonkey · · Score: 1

    What is a forgery or a misleading photo? Any time light is passed through a lens, it is changed. Simply having a human photograph a person or event makes it an inherently biased happening. The goal of photojournalism is not to present an unbiased look at something, because that is impossible. The goal is to present an unprejudiced image that helps the reader/viewer/public-at-large understand something more completely.

    As a photojournalist, I am held to the highest standard in terms of professional ethics. Sure, dust builds up on the camera's CCD/CMOS/JFET chip and must either be physically removed or 'cloned out' in Photoshop the same way dust/water spots were removed from negatives back in the dark room days.

    Yes, we can, to a certain extent, modify the exposure of the image. Digital cameras (and film scanners) tend to give you an awfully flat photo and often require a slight darkening in the darker channels and a light pick-me-up in the light channels.

    We frequently crop images either to fit them on the page (print still exists?) or improve the aesthetics of the shot.

    The point here is, that 'processing' photos has not really changed. It's easier to manipulate a photo in Photoshop than in the darkroom, but lots of newsrooms have been digital for over 10 years now. The digital process is nothing new.

    When pre-pressing a photo or getting it ready to send out to the agency, the key ethical point is not to materially change the meaning of the photo. That includes moving sports equipment around in the frame, darkening OJ's eyes to the point he looks like a crack addict or even moving the pyramids closer together for a cover shot (National Geographic).

    There is not a single piece of software out there that can 'understand' a photo and know if it has been changed outside of the ethical policies of the profession. That's what editors are for. Human editors.

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  47. All it took was even more fauxtography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To morons like you, it doesn't matter if is faked or not, it matters if it reinforces your beliefs.

    Beliefs that are based on nothing more than what you want to think is true.

    And it's funny that you should mention faked blown-up buildings. If you'd actually paid attention to the fauxtography that came out of Lebanon last summer, you'd know that at least one building was reported to have been destroyed three or four different times on three or four different dates.

    And damn near all the photos Al-Reuters credulously published had that same damn woman in them.

    But no, to sheltered retards like you, it's "truthy".

    So actually, "faking" a few extra blown-up buildings only involved staging a few events, using the same actors over and over. So no, it didn't take much work at all. And to you, it's all real.

    You dumbass. You stupid fucking dumbass.

    I bet you think Dan Rather's memos were true, too. Hell, you probably even believe they were real.

    1. Re:All it took was even more fauxtography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it's funny that you should mention faked blown-up buildings. If you'd actually paid attention to the fauxtography that came out of Lebanon last summer, you'd know that at least one building was reported to have been destroyed three or four different times on three or four different dates.

      That's because idiots like you attributed the dates the photos were taken to the alleged dates the building was blown up.

      According to zombie:

      > Power Line again drew attention to another form of photojournalistic fraud, this time possibly committed by the Reuters editors themselves. This photo, as Power Line pointed out, was captioned, ""Journalists are shown by a Hizbollah guerrilla group the damage caused by Israeli attacks on a Hizbollah stronghold in southern Beirut, July 24 2006. (Adnan Hajj/Reuters)." But look at the next photo below.
      > Here, the caption says, "A Lebanese woman looks at the sky as she walks past a building flattened during an overnight Israeli air raid on Beirut's suburbs August 5, 2006. (Adnan Hajj/Reuters)." But a cursory glance shows that it's the exact same destroyed buildings in both photos. If they were already destroyed on July 24, they couldn't have been destroyed on August 5, especially since the damage is identical in both pictures. It's quite obvious that photos of the same scene were re-released to make it appear as if Israeli bombing raids were continuously hitting Beirut, when in fact Reuters was just recycling the same damage over and over.

      The caption refers to the date the photo was taken, not the date reuters or whoever claimed it was blown up. Could this be any more obvious? A photographer took a picture of some rubble. A week later, some woman walked by the same rubble and the photographer took a picture of that. This is not "journalistic fraud", this is people shutting their brains off in overeagerness to find journalistic fraud.

      So actually, "faking" a few extra blown-up buildings only involved staging a few events, using the same actors over and over. So no, it didn't take much work at all.

      Faking satellite photos is considerably more difficult.

  48. Re:Doctoring? Yes. by BlueStraggler · · Score: 2, Informative

    Methinks thou dost protest too much. This image is faked to a degree that only an incompetent human being could fake. The technical minutiae of the particular method of fakery is beside the point - to my eyes it looks more like a pattern fill than a clone stamp (due to the regular repetition you note), but we could argue about that all day. The dead give-away that unscrupulous human beings are to blame are to be found at the edges of the doctored areas. No general-purpose algorithm is going to expand the cloud of smoke preferentially in one direction, and then suddenly terminate the billowing edge of the smoke cloud against a clear sky, because general-purpose image enhancement algorithms do not model the behaviour of billowing smoke clouds. No general-purpose algorithm is going to cut out whole buildings and transplant them perfectly to other parts of the neighbourhood, because general-purpose algorithms do not recognize where buildings start and end against a backdrop of other buildings. It takes a highly advanced image processing tool (namely a human being) to select meaningful subsections of an image (a particular building, a particlar part of a cloud) and reproduce it somewhere else in the image that makes sense to an intelligent viewer.

    In other words, if a generic photoshop filter were to move buildings around the city, and enhance billowing smoke clouds in such a way as to enhance just the cloud without randomly chopping up other parts of the image, as was done in this image, then we could conclusively state that we have achieved artificial intelligence in commercial software. The fact that the result was lame is moot, because the necessary filters to clean up/smudge the lameness are dead easy, compared to the filters that made the initial image edits.

    But the fact that a 10-year-old (or someone with equivalent aesthetics) could have made those photo edits in 10 minutes seems a somewhat more plausible explanation than the notion that we have HAL 9000 embedded in Photoshop.

  49. Re:Uhhh, perhaps some non-biased humans are needed by SengirV · · Score: 1

    That is kinda the point here. It's not a hezbullah headquarters that was bombed, it's obviously a day care center. At least that is what the AP/Reuters want you to believe.

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  50. Re:Uhhh, perhaps some non-biased humans are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    That was the point. The photos weren't from Zombie. They were from photographers/stringers over in the Middle East. In this case, I believe it was from Lebanon, during the recent war involving Hezbollah and Israel. Zombie inspected several of the more poignant images that came from the war and were posted on Reuters. She's (I believe it's a her) claiming shenannigans.

    In case you don't understand (rather than making a rhetorical comment), the toys ARE suspiciously clean. Which, if it were in a builing that had been bombed to rubble... makes little sense. Along with the other toys and childrens' articles. That's one of Zombie's points, along with various other images she's deconstructed and replied on. She covers a bit of photo manipulation, but that's after a photo's been taken. There's ways to manipulate the scene prior to taking an image, and she goes after that.

    Folks should read her report with an open mind.

  51. Consuder yourself refuted, you fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You credulous fool

    This Reuters photograph shows blatant evidence of manipulation. Notice the repeating patterns in the smoke; this is almost certainly caused by using the Photoshop "clone" tool to add more smoke to the image. (Hat tip: Mike.)

    It's so incredibly obvious, it reminds me of the faked CBS memos. Smoke simply does not contain repeating symmetrical patterns like this, and you can see the repetition in both plumes of smoke. There's really no question about it.

    But it's not only the plumes of smoke that were "enhanced." There are also cloned buildings. (See below.)


    The original image that was heavily modified is included in that post.

    Here's some commentary on the photo about which you make a credulous claim that it wasn't altered:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/05/the-worst-ph otoshop-ive-ever-seen/

    Here's a non-political photography site ripping you a new one:

    http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html? tid=21302

    Some quotes from there:

    "Nah... smoke naturally repeats itself in perfect patterns like that. It always does.....doesn't it?"

    "If your going to ruined your career, at least work on the photo a little longer than two minutes."

    1. Re:Consuder yourself refuted, you fool by instantkamera · · Score: 1

      not to mention that this is not the only photo of hajj's that is considered of suspect credibility.

  52. Money... by 7Prime · · Score: 1

    This is slightly off topic, but it seemed like a good question to ask.

    I ran into an unexpected hangup a few months back, when I needed to scan a few US dollar bills for use in a TV advertisement. The scanning program worked just fine, but when I opened it up in photoshop, it told me that the file contained counterfietable image data (or something to that extend), and wouldn't allow me to open the file. Does anyone know how and when Adobe started implementing a procedure that would check to see if paper money was being reproduced?

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    1. Re:Money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, but afaik GIMP doesn't do that.

  53. Finally, no more fakes! by smaddox · · Score: 1

    Thank God! I've been waiting for this for ages.

    Sometimes you can't tell if that's really Christina Aguilera, or just a fake. Now, we can rest assured, it's the real thing!

  54. Re:Uhhh, perhaps some non-biased humans are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If slashdot can dupe stories why cant the real press?

  55. UFOlogy by andy314159pi · · Score: 1

    I'm not trolling or trying to be funny but I think this will be a great tool for the so called UFOlogists who try to ascertain whether UFO pictures are faked or not.

  56. Read the caption, asshat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=2202 4_Multi-Use_Buildings&only

    A Lebanese woman looks at the sky as she walks past a building flattened during an overnight Israeli air raid on Beirut's suburbs August 5, 2006. (Adnan Hajj/Reuters)


    Like I said, it's even got the same damn woman in it. And look who's name appears on the byline. Imagine that...

    That caption clearly makes the attempt to imply the Israelis destroyed the building on August 5, 2006. Despite the FACT that's it's the exact same building that had photos published on July 18 and July 24.

    You are a credulous idiot. But I doubt you're useful in any form.
  57. Image Editors That Phone Home? by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 1

    The only way I could see a workable system in place for ensuring authenticity of a photo, would be to create a specialized database that all "certified" image editors will be required to contact at every point where it is launched, opens a file or saves to a file. The software in question would then upload a low-resolution snapshot of the image for every changed state to the original image that is saved. The image files themselves would then have to be encoded in such a way that they are linked to particular piece of software that created it, the machine it was created on and a reference within the database to verify the file is the same one that left the previous machine.

    This means, of course, that all systems used for image editing would be required to have access to the internet in order to run, open a file or save changes.

    The real scary part, is that such a system could also be used to spy on people, tracking their photographing habits, as well as who they are sharing the images with that would require such authentication.

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  58. Images by More_Cowbell · · Score: 1, Informative
    PDF may be boring to you, but it has images, which are really necessary to this particular story

    (whereas the link you provide does not.)

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  59. Re:Doctoring? Yes. by Radon360 · · Score: 3, Informative

    And apparently you've never used a large clone brush with the source pointer overruning the modified result.

    Here's a simple test. Set your clone brush to 100 pixels or so in size. Click the source point for cloning. Start cloning a 100 or so pixels away and drag the brush roughly inline with source point and clone brush centers. What happens? The pattern repeats itself at perfect intervals. Do this with a large, rectangular-shaped, hard-edge brush and you will get exactly the results in the doctored image.

    You are correct that this is not an instance of a non-aligned clone process (i.e. clicking multiple points on the screen with the same clone source) in which it would introduce irregularities in the spacing. But the resulting image is quite evident of a clone brush "recloning" what it just did as it passed over the area it previously covered with the cloned area.

    The excuse that this is an overzealous use of the dust/scratch removal is silly. If this guy were so concerned about the slight imperfection of dust on the orginial image, don't you think he'd notice that image had changed drastically after the application of this tool?

  60. Proof that.. by Skadet · · Score: 2, Informative

    experience is a necessary but insufficient condition for expertise. Look at the second picture, also by your good friend Hajj: http://zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/

    You know, the one with the cloned "missles" that were actually flares?

    Oops.

    He's done it before, you'd be blind not to think he did it again with this photo.

  61. Trusted Photography to provide due diligence? by tepples · · Score: 1

    You are free to remove any identifying data from the EXIF headers before you publish your images. And watch publishers reject photos with no EXIF or with altered EXIF out of due diligence. Once digital camera makers start shipping cameras that sign each photo's pixels and EXIF info with a key pair unique to each camera, your editor will demand access to these signed negatives as evidence against dishonest use of Photoshop software.
    1. Re:Trusted Photography to provide due diligence? by richlv · · Score: 1

      ...and this will be cracked in a couple of weeks.

      i acknowledge the problem of modified photos, but i can't think of a solution to this... i mean, drm-like solutions will fail (i hope we don't have to repeat why :) ).
      then there's a possible software that tests for image details that might be altered - but that's an uphill battle as it would be just a matter of re-running this software until all the supicious places are worked out.

      so is there a way to actually detect that image is authentic ?
      maybe only by declaring procedures to prove this, which would include taking and processing photo in a controlled manner with a couple of witnesses...

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  62. Started in CS...here's how to get around it. by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1
  63. Re:Uhhh, perhaps some non-biased humans are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, The buildings were blown up just not repeatedly, It seems that some buildings are shown blown up say in july and then shown again as blown up in august. Some unlucky woman who had her home blown up repeatedly in several locations (talk about a neighbor from Hell). A 'Rescue worker' who appears in different places posing with the same dead corpse. The Staged Photo's of a childs toy looking new and setup to make the perfect shot with the rubble as backdrop. The rescue worker shown working within a bomb site later appearing as a dead body dragged from the rubble (later upgraded to injured not dead). Dummy wearing a weddingdress remarkably undamaged, next to a bomb site. (done in a few locations)
    The blownup bridge that is two different bridges. The Red Cross ambulance with a hole blown exactly in the centre of the cross (or an old ambulance light assembly removed from the center of the cross).
    The burning koran caught bursting into flames by a passing journalist hours after the original attack...

    I accept the evidence that some photo's are staged but I don't know how I feel about that. Reality is there are real victims, real bombs. Should i feel cheated because these are not quite the genuine article, chances are the real victims have relatives that don't wish to see thier loved ones mangled bodies in the news.

    Truth is we are being manipulated to draw our support for one point of view or another, perhaps it makes a difference when it comes to voting for our officials, but probably not.
    Yes there is plenty of wrong in the world but as individuals we feel no responsibility and feel its not our problem least we can try to get along and see each other as human at least. It would be a start.

  64. Prediction by mattpointblank · · Score: 1

    If Adobe release some kind of program to detect doctored images, I anticipate a new trend for artistically-minded geeks: reverse-Photoshopping. Instead of forum contests to produce realistic-looking fakes in Photoshop, people will be out with their cameras trying to capture unrealistic-looking originals in efforts to "beat" Adobe's tool and have it label a real photo 'doctored', purely to gain kudos from fellow photographers.

  65. Re:Doctoring? Yes. by toddhisattva · · Score: 1

    You glossed over the upper left section of smoke, among other things. There was nothing there before hand, it was added
    No, the picture was cropped. Following the time-honored rule "sky is boring" the top was brought down. Look in the correction image, it has much more room at the top.

    This, maybe more than anything, is what makes the smoke seem bigger, when really a lot of it was cropped out.

    You point to a building at 2c and 2d in your file which is cloned to 3a and 3b. However, the one at 3a and 3b can be seen in the original, but was moved down to the lower section.
    In the correction image, the good one, there is one building which in the botch is at 2c,2d. At the place which is 3a,3b there is a lot of smoke obscuring more regular boring buildings. I very much suspect the regularity behind the smoke provided "hinting" to make the "echo" happen as bad as it did.

    I have tried to keep from calling the second-to-be-published image the "original" as it probably wasn't. It is a correction image. I would truly, truly love to have the stuff right out of Hajj's camera and computer. Would solve everything in a real hurry!

    More importantly, it's not at quite the same relative postion within your gridlines.
    A tilde can mean "approximately" and that's what I meant when I said "~16 pixels apart, cutting the image into 16 nearly-equal bands." Same with the words "nearly-equal." Maybe I should expand the symbols into words to make them more visible.

    The whole lower half of the original appears to have been copied, sharpened, copied back in lower and to the left, and the smoke added in a vain attempt to cover it up, then cropped to hide the lower right corner which didn't have anything in it.
    Give it a whirl if you think that's what happened.

    And while you are committing psychology in public, perhaps you could explain why. Why take all that damn time to fake an image? A news photographer has ten pictures before and after that one. He's not hurting for content. He's hurting for time!

    Dust and scratch removal is quite automated, and is even "on" by default in some products. It is part of the workflow. And so are bad lighting conditions which Hajj blames for having missed the awfulness of the bad image (laptop in the sun is my interpretation of bad lighting).

    What motivation for taking all that time to copy a building here and there and then go put feathers in the smoke on regular 1/16th centers....

    At least no UFOs were harmed in the construction of your conspiracy theory. ;-)
  66. Re:Doctoring? Yes. by toddhisattva · · Score: 1

    No general-purpose algorithm is going to expand the cloud of smoke preferentially in one direction, and then suddenly terminate the billowing edge of the smoke cloud against a clear sky, because general-purpose image enhancement algorithms do not model the behaviour of billowing smoke clouds. No general-purpose algorithm is going to cut out whole buildings and transplant them perfectly to other parts of the neighbourhood, because general-purpose algorithms do not recognize where buildings start and end against a backdrop of other buildings.
    It's quite a bit more sophisticated than Gaussian blur or bicubic interpolation. DCT and FFT "back in the day" and I'm sure it's well past Laplace-land these days.

    When you tag pixels as "bad" they are set to null and then you do the transform. Do the inverse transform and but go ahead and let the synthesis equations fill in the "bad" pixels. That's the process in a nutshell.

    Marking pixels "bad" removes their contribution to the image. In the reconstruction the data has to come from elsewhere, it comes from the rest of the image through the inverse transform.

    You're right, the algorithm certainly does not know "building."

    But neither does my guitar digital delay box know "notes."

    This algorithm "models" the behavior of the whole image, billows and all. The frequency domain representation *is* the model of the image. Which is why this algorithm looks so damn good when done right: the interpolated values are very true to what should be there.

    I tested this by using bogus defect channels and compare (subtract) the reconstruction with the original. Usually the difference was well below the resolution of 16-bit ints and always indistinguishable to human eyes. Then when you ask too much of the algorith you get a disaster like the image we are discussing.

    The widespread feathering is a common artifact of this kind of image processing. There are even knobs to deal with it on some GUIs (like this free-to-download implementation from Polaroid (IIRC).

    We don't know how much user input went into making Hajj's defect channel. If he designated a block of Beirut as bad pixels, the algorithm would have to interpolate that whole block. IOW, the "selectivity" you attribute to the algorithm may well be the selectivity of the operator one Adnan Hajj.

    And to address your other pole, the algorithm did randomly chop up other parts of the image: the aforementioned feathering. It went on a pogrom against large populations of gray (algorithmically these are close to null) all over the image.
  67. Re:Doctoring? Yes. by phlinn · · Score: 1

    No, the picture was cropped. Following the time-honored rule "sky is boring" the top was brought down. Look in the correction image, it has much more room at the top. Wow, a blatant lie. In both pictures there is exactly the same amount of space between the skyline and the top of the picture on the left side. I did miss one thing though, the edited picture appears to have more sky on the right hand side. I shouldn't bother with you any more, but I wanted to point the following out for anyone else who's examining your page.

    Look at ANY buildings at the bottom of the altered picture. You can find the same buildings up and to the right in the original (the building in 9e and 9f in your grid is a handy one to track). Some of them show up twice in the edited one, although not many. However, the building with the pointed roof in the top left section of the pictures has not been moved in either image. The relative position between that building and ALL of the buildings in the lower third has changed. This is why I thought it looked as if some section of the picture had been copied and pasted back in lower and to the left of it's original. Given what I just noticed about the skyline, I think the copy and paste job was a little more arbitrary than I originally believed.
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  68. Sweet! by EvilStein · · Score: 1

    Maybe now we'll finally see an end to those photoshopped nude photos of celebrities.

    "The following nude photos of Neve Campbell are VERIFIED REAL by Adobe!"

    suh-weeet!

  69. Media Manipulation by PantherDX · · Score: 1

    Staged Photo opportunities were reported by Anderson Cooper so it isn't a giant right-wing conspiracy to discredit the media reports that came from Lebanon. The fact is media manipulation is a major part of Hezbollah's arsenal. This doesn't mean that Israel should be immune from scrutiny regarding its actions in Lebanon, simply that the media reports that came from Lebanon should be scrutinized as well.

    I find it interesting that in a free and open society the media isn't immune from a level of control. The difference between a free society and a closed, controlling society is who actually exercises that control. In truth the media should be self-managing, able to portray an objective view for interpretation by the world. This self-management should be similar to how scientific disciplines avoid the bias of predefined assumptions by the use of peer reviews and the scientific process. If journalism is ever to come close to the level of accuracy displayed in our scientific communities, it needs better controls and more objectivity (Referring to all News outlets, including the New York Times and Fox News).

    One of the problems with today's journalists is that they are not scientists but artists. News is given to the masses after it has been modified to either make it aesthetically pleasing or shockingly dramatic. It is entertainment, and as such it will always be subject to the biased world view of the artist. Another related problem with today's journalism can be best portrayed by the telephone game. Given that a story is often passed through multiple sources before it becomes available to the masses, it becomes subject to the biases of every link in that chain. Often times a reporter may receive footage that has come through so many links that the original source is no longer known. Lebanon was the perfect example of that, as major media outlets displayed footage that was found to come from staged scenes.

    News that is scientifically presented may be termed by some to be simply boring. However, it would be just about as boring as lectures on physics, which some find to be quite fascinating. I get the feeling we're going in the right direction with our media's self-controls, even if those self-controls are the by-product of an ideological war (Left vs. Right, we expose your fake photos, you expose ours). We're still a long way off though, so anything we can do to further scrutinize the news is simply a step in the right direction.