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'Gates for President' Group Gives Up

netbuzz writes "Dilbert creator Scott Adams had done his best to make this fantasy (or nightmare, depending on your point of view) a viable notion, but after three months of trying the group's leader has acknowledged that it's unlikely Gates will give up his current gig. They've tossed in the towel." Here is our original coverage of this ill-conceived plan.

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  1. Why would he? by macmastery · · Score: 5, Funny

    Isn't it a pay cut?

    1. Re:Why would he? by Syro2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      According to wikipedia, the President's salary traditionally serves as the cap for all government employees, and is currently near half a million dollars. That said, most everyone who runs for President is already independently wealthy, so I don't think pay is a major concern.

      A more appropriate question -- given who we are talking about -- would perhaps be, "isn't it a power cut?"

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    2. Re:Why would he? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Seriously. When the President of China came to Washington state, he met with Gates at his own home. The Governor was an 'invited guest'. Gates has more power as a businessman than he ever would as a politician.

    3. Re:Why would he? by Stormwatch · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When the President of China came to Washington state, he met with Gates at his own home. The Governor was an 'invited guest'.
      Maybe that was because he wanted to see Gates' place? You know, it sure is a really nice house.
    4. Re:Why would he? by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Now doesn't that really depend upon how much you can supplement you basic presidential salary whilst in office. Even the current vice president currently makes far more from his previous and current business associations than his base pay and that the current presidents decisions, that seem to some how, accidentally, for no real reason at all, favour those business associations, has nothing at all to do with the vice presidents new found wealth.

      I mean rumour has it, that the goal of a war with Iran has more to do with cutting off the supply of Iranian oil and achieving a price target $90 barrel for oil (which for no real apparent reason accidentally favours the current presidents business relationships) rather than WMDs which autocrats love to make lots of noise about but fear to use because they will end up being personally targeted by those same weapons.

      Now of course Bill would make no money from M$ software being made compulsory in every US government department, every US school and every US business. Personally I don't see Bill being interested in any kind of silly nonsense like that, but billy goat ballmer would be whole different story, he would leap at the opportunity and just think how entertaining he would end up becoming, an all new, all singing, all dancing US president, and as a bonus, chair throwing would become a new national sport, cool ;-))) (well at least it is funny from my point of view, not being an American).

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  2. He was a criminal? by smaerd · · Score: 3, Funny

    "..but after three months of trying the group's leader..."
    What was he charged with?

    1. Re:He was a criminal? by blueforce · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...violating, the rules, of grammar;

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  3. No way he'd win... by Necreia · · Score: 3, Funny

    No way he'd win, it would cost too much to bribe him.

  4. This was never about Gates anyway by ghoti · · Score: 3, Informative

    This was a pure publicity stunt for Adams. He just picked a well-known person and made a big fuss to get his name into the headlines again. Gates is the perfect person for watercooler talk, since everybody knows him and has something (good or bad) to say about Microsoft. There was no chance this would ever lead anywhere, and now that they see that they won't get more publicity out of it, they're doing one last stunt (We give up! Too bad! We tried so hard!) and let it die with a bang.

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  5. Re:Not a Microsoft fan, but better than neo-cons by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Spot on. The country would be in much better shape if we had more business people in politics and less politicians who are, by and large, mostly lawyers and career politicians. I'm not saying Gates is the right man for the job, but I do think we need more people with real business acumen in politics (not Neo-Cons with Ivy-league MBA's) before anything is really going to change.

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  6. What, no Microsoft web server? by ttg512 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This seems to be the problem...
    Server: Apache Webserver
    X-Pingback: http://www.billgatesforpresident.net/xmlrpc.php
    X-Powered-By: PHP/4.4.4
    Why would Bill support anything with this kind of response header?

  7. Yes! That's a horrible idea! by encoderer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, a consumption task is a pretty horrible idea.

    This was brought up a couple days ago, so I'll copy and paste from my previous post on this subject:

    Forgoing the income tax for a sales tax is a pretty bad idea.

    First, the income tax is progressive. This would be impossible to achieve with sales tax. The only people that would benefit from a "flat" tax (sales or income) are those at the highest tax brackets. In order to replace the income lost from dropping taxes on the top 5%, taxes would have to be raised on the bottom 50%.

    Second, a sales tax puts a disproportionate burden on the lowest income families. Those with low incomes--even up to $50k/yr for a single man--spend a very large proportion of their income. The lower your income, the higher percentage of it is spent. People making minimum wage are spending 100% of their pay checks.

    Those making $1MM a year, on the other hand, may spend only a small fraction of their income.

    And you can say that you would simply not charge sales tax on the things that poor people are spending their money on -- food, shelter and utilities -- but doing so would drastically reduce tax receipts. It would be impossible to exempt those things and the suggestion that it is possible is just used by proponents to try to sell their plan.

    Furthermore, this is about Google. Corporations pay a pitifully small percentage of taxes in America. The percentage of taxes paid by corporations has dropped dramatically since the 1950's. Your notion that double taxation is a serious problem is just plain wrong. The tax code currently incentivizes businesses to invest in capital expenditures, R&D, etc.

    In summary, the only people that want a sales tax are those that don't understand it's implications and those that could pay less taxes by shifting the tax burden more on the lower & middle classes.

    The notion that there is tax injustice because the top minority of Americans pays the majority of taxes is absurd. The people at the top of the food chain reap the highest rewards of our society. Without our national infrastructure, they wouldn't be able to make and horde millions or billions of dollars. They SHOULD pay a tax burden that more closely resembles their share of the US pie, not necessarily their share of the US Population.

    1. Re:Yes! That's a horrible idea! by Viper+Daimao · · Score: 4, Informative

      You really should read more about the actual proposals for fair (and flat) taxes. Most of your arguments are addressed there. Such as the national dividend that your child (and my brother/sister) poster mentioned. Your other arguments seem to be attacking supporters which is generally bad form. As always, wikipedia is a good place to start.

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    2. Re:Yes! That's a horrible idea! by hawg2k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I believe there are a few states that generate there spending capital via sales tax, and not income tax.

      It seems to work for those states, so at the very least it's worth consideration, no?

  8. Not the track record... by encoderer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The man who single handedly built the middle class in this country in 100 days was one of the wealthiest presidents we've ever had.

    Suggesting that anyone independently wealthy that reached the white house would use it to feather his own nest is just a gross oversimplification.

  9. POTUAC by Orange+Crush · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're giving up on Mr. Gates's presidential aspirations.

    Cancel or Allow?

  10. He didn't stand a chance. by BubbaFett · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gates: I'm not somebody who goes to church on a regular basis. The specific elements of Christianity are not something I'm a huge believer in. There's a lot of merit in the moral aspects of religion. I think it can have a very very positive impact.

  11. Re:Bill Gates ain't the worst guy in the world by jafiwam · · Score: 5, Informative

    Uhm... No.

    In fact, he defends the tax so much he wrote a book about it. The argument of the book is basically saying the law that is in place is too lenient and it should be repealed for something like the old one that didn't have loopholes. He wants the rich to pay more taxes when they die.

    From Wikipedia:

    Gates is co-author, with Chuck Collins, of the book Wealth and Our Commonwealth: Why America Should Tax Accumulated Fortunes, a defense of the estate tax.[2]

    The book on Amazon.com Wealth and Our Commonwealth: Why America Should Tax Accumulated Fortunes

    I haven't finished it yet because I use it to fall asleep... however your statement is not true in fact and spirit.

  12. They're Right by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dogbert is a much better and, in the long run, safer choice. The sooner we elect him the less severe our penalties for waiting will be.

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  13. Re:OF COURSE he does! by Otter · · Score: 4, Informative
    He is a massively multi-billionaire. What billionaire would not oppose the inheritance tax?

    Gates and his father oppose the repeal of the tax, not the tax. (Presumably the OP meant to say that).

  14. Re:Bill Gates ain't the worst guy in the world by lawpoop · · Score: 3, Informative

    "He opposes the inheritance tax, like his dad..."

    I don't know about Bill Gates, but William H. Gates Sr., the father of Bill Gates, supports the inheritance tax.

    From Now with Bill Moyers: "There's a campaign to restore the inheritance tax. And it's being led, believe it or not, by some of the country's richest people including Bill Gates, Sr. ..."

    From Alternet.org: "Case Against Inheritance Tax Is Bogus", By Chuck Collins and Bill Gates, Sr., AlterNet. Posted September 15, 2005.

    The reason is obvious -- without the inheritance tax, the US would develop a wealthy aristocratic class. This is one of the main reasons the founding fathers broke away from Britain and developed a constitutional Republic.

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  15. Well...in some circles... by HungWeiLo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When Chinese president Hu Jintao came to the U.S. for a state visit last year, he visited Bill Gates before going on to visit GWB.

    Mr Hu goes to Washington (after he's seen Bill Gates and the Boeing factory)

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  16. Re:Estate tax deduction too high in the USA by rossz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    $2,000,000 is easily surpassed if you run a small family business. You die, and to pay the taxes your wife/kids have to sell the business you spent all your life building. The death tax isn't just on the cash on hand. It's on everything, property value, inventory, stocks, bonds, etc. It's an evil tax that hasn't been completely repealed because people like you are naive enough to believe only the very rich benefit from it.

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  17. Obligatory FairTax plug by Staale+Nordlie · · Score: 5, Informative

    The FairTax proposal addresses most of your objections.

    Everyone gets a monthly prebate covering the tax on spending up to the poverty level. This eliminates taxes altogether for the truly poor, and makes the tax effectively progressive.

    True, there's a limit to how hard you can punish success and productivity with such a tax, but the overall effect on the economy and, dare I say it, fairness, more than makes up for that.

    Website: http://www.fairtax.org/
    Summary: : http://www.fairtax.org/fairtax/thumbnail.htm

  18. Clippy for VP! by owlnation · · Score: 4, Funny

    It seems that you're trying to invade Iran. I can help you with that...

  19. Re:Not a Microsoft fan, but better than neo-cons by rbanffy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously, you want an evil genius as president?

    Not only he is unbelievably rich and powerful, but he is responsible for nearly every kind of almost-but-not-quite criminal corporate misconduct in the book and then inventing some. He recklessly and shamelessly exploits everyone and everything he can to benefit himself and the company he sees as an extention of himself.

    And you want to give him, in addition to everything he already has, the position of commander of the armed forces.

    You gotta be kidding.