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Speed Found to be Key to Galaxy Formation

QuantumCrypto writes "The All-wavelength Extended Groth strip International Survey (AEGIS), a collaborative effort involving nearly 100 scientists in half a dozen countries, revealed a new principle in the formation of all galaxies, from disk-like spirals, cloud-like ellipticals, and just irregulars. In essence the morphology of the galaxies depends on total mass involved and the internal speed it generates. 'By defining a new speed indicator, their analysis has managed to make sense out of very chaotic-looking objects,' said Sandra Faber, professor of astronomy and astrophysics at the University of California, Santa Cruz."

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  1. Re:+1 submerged galaxy detection by Seumas · · Score: 5, Funny

    Speed Found to be Key to Galaxy Formation

    And they said drugs are bad!

  2. it's a matter of perpective... on the matter by User+956 · · Score: 3, Funny

    In essence the morphology of the galaxies depends on total mass involved and the internal speed it generates.

    Yeah, well, it all results in the eventual heat death of the universe, so what's the point really?

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    1. Re:it's a matter of perpective... on the matter by BakaHoushi · · Score: 3, Funny

      This DOES explain a lot of the universes problems.

      *God creates the universe*
      Well, time for a little R&R... guess I'll try that WoW for a little while... The world will be fine...
      *Time passes*
      WHOO! Level 70! Finally!
      *God looks down on the modern world*
      OH SHI--

  3. Simulations by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It would be interesting to see some simulations and animations of rotating spiral galaxies. We could never see that with actual galaxies because they move too slow from our perspective. A simulation will both test to see how accurate their models fit the real thing, and allow us to study how rotation works and spiral arms keep from winding "tighter", as it would otherwise seam. Maybe they could hilight a few reference stars so we can see how they move relative to the spiral arms. As an amature space artist, the movement of the arms relative to stars is a curious wonder that I cannot really visualize yet.

    1. Re:Simulations by mdsolar · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know Josh Barnes has produced some vidio of spirals rotating but I have not found it. Here are some more exciting merger simulation: http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/~barnes/pressrel/mice/vi d301_04.mpg and http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/~barnes/pressrel/mice/v0 211d3.mpg found at http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/~barnes/research/interac tion_models/mice/index.html#modeling. Models which concentrate on just rotation tend to be just two dimensional to save on computing. The are used to study secular evolution which could also lead from the Tully-Fisher to the Faber-Jackson relation.
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  4. Re:+1 submerged galaxy detection by smaddox · · Score: 5, Funny

    This side effect of speed has been known for ages! What rock have these 100 scientists been hiding under?

    Hell, first time I did speed, I formed at least 5 new galaxies! Then, I scrubbed them so hard with the galactic sponge that they disappeared completely. Those quasars can be a real pain to get out of your multi-dimensional trousers, though. They always leave behind a bit of redshift.

  5. Okay, that's it. by mikkelm · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm hereby announcing the creation of DISTASTEFUL. The organisation against the proDIgal, unnecesSarily conTrived and unnaturAlly nonsenSical abbreviaTion of projEcts and Federally fUnded estabLishments.

  6. Of quantum fluxuations and galactic seeds by ArcSecond · · Score: 3, Insightful
    According to Faber, the relation described in this study may reflect processes that began in the first fraction of a nanosecond after the Big Bang. "Galaxies began life as quantum fluctuations--tiny density fluctuations that created the seeds for the later coagulation of structure in the universe. When gravity took over, those seeds made galaxies, and we think that process is reflected in the Tully-Fisher relation," she said.

    I found this part really interesting. I know it is something pointed to already by fluctuations in the Cosmic Background Radiation, but the though that local variations at the smallest scales determined the structure of galaxies is really something to think on.

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  7. Taking Tully-Fisher one more step by TMB · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those interested in more details, it looks like the preprint is available at http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0702643.

    Originally TF was just a relationship between rotational speed and luminosity. Since luminosity is some measurement of stellar mass, it was proposed a few years ago that the true physical relationship was not with luminosity but with the total cooled baryonic mass (most of which is in the form of stars in most galaxies). So the Baryonic Tully Fisher relation was proposed, where they substituted the total mass of stars and gas instead of the luminosity. The relationship was tighter, indicating that this is closer to the fundamental relationship.

    This work now takes it one more step and uses a more physical measurement for the other variable. Rotational speed of a disk galaxy tells you how deep the potential well is, assuming that all of the motion is in the form of rotation. But if there are also disordered motions, then it's really a combination of the disordered and ordered motion that tell you how deep the potential is. So they've replaced the rotation velocity with a combination of rotational velocity and velocity dispersion - and voila, the relationship is even tighter!

    Very nice work.

    [TMB]

  8. Number of Turns of the Galaxy by vbwyrde · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am to understand that our Galaxy rotates on its axis once ever 250 million years or so. If that is right, and the universe is 13 or 14 billion years old, then it would seem that we get this: age of Universe = 13,000,000,000 Years for one rotation of galaxy = 250,000,000 Total Rotations = age / rotation 52 Total Rotations since Universe began? First, is that about right? Second, if that is right then my question is how do galaxies obtain their distinctive shapes after such few rotations? I ask because the ratio of turns to shapes (especially in the case of bar galaxies, and other sharply defined shapes) seems counter intuitive to me.

    1. Re:Number of Turns of the Galaxy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's because the spiral is not caused by the rotation of the galaxy. It's caused by a (more slowly rotating) standing wave in spiral form in the disc. When the wave passes the matter in the disc, new bright young stars are formed and that's what you see.
      This was discovered in the 60's I believe.

      Tino Meinen