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Broadband Providers' Hidden Bandwidth Limits

An anonymous reader sends us to the Boston Globe for a story that will come as a surprise to few here: broadband suppliers will cut you off if you download too many bits. It tells the stories of several Comcast users who were warned — without specifics — that they were using "too much" bandwidth, then had their accounts summarily cancelled. Looking into the future: "...even if only a tiny fraction of customers are downloading enough to trigger the policy, that will probably change as more entertainment moves to the Internet."

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  1. Uh huh. Yeah right. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lemee see. Downloading the max a line will allow is OK. They understood the contract as "unlimited".

    Seems to me that they're way overselling their lines. SBC DSL doesnt care how much you use, nor should they. (We had them for 2 years and kept 60% up and down utilized on average).

    These cable bastards need to be raked over the coals for this. Or at leat, lose a bunch of profits.

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    1. Re:Uh huh. Yeah right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      We had them for 2 years and kept 60% up and down utilized on average

      Can I leech your porn collection? Please?

    2. Re:Uh huh. Yeah right. by Mistlefoot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This isn't a cable/DSL issue. This is a "we don't tell you how much but we cut you off anyhow" issue. In Canada we are generally advised our bandwidth limits.

      Shaw (Cable) clearly advise how much bandwidth is permitted with each connection type - High Speed light - 10 GB/month data transfer
      - High Speed - 60 GB/month data transfer
      - High Speed Extreme - 100 GB/month data transfer
      - High Speed Nitro - 150 GB/month data transfer25 Mb download speed
      http://www.shaw.ca/en-ca/ProductsServices/Internet /

      Telus (DSL) offer you 10GB, 30GB, 60GB and 60GB for their 4 different speed packages.
      http://www.mytelus.com/internet/highspeed/prices.d o

      Note that Cable offers higher speed and an equal or greater bandwidth in all cases.

  2. Re:A /. dupe, what else is new by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ok. You buy a 1 year subscription to a 3Mbps-down/256Kbps-up line. You are told, along with adverts claiming it is an unlimited line.

    They disconnect you for unspeakable limits. That is called FRAUD. No ifs ands or buts.

    If they cant maintain profitability on selling those lines for whatever they do, too bad. Not my problem. if they can only sell 512Kbps sync and keep it truthful and honest, all the better.

    If the telcos DSL circuits can do it, why not the "Pig"?

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  3. All symptoms of a larger problem. by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This and the net neutrality fight tell us something - the ISPs are not prepared for a large surge in bandwidth. Despite having about 10 years notice and charging up the ying-yang in many places, they're still not ready to provide the necessary speed to even those areas of the country they currently cover. When ISPs tell customers "5 Mb/s", they really mean "5 Mb/s, once in a blue moon, otherwise 512 kb/s normally and maybe a 2-3 Mb/s burst at times". 250 GB a month is only about 756 kbps. When customers realize this, there's gonna be a problem.

    250 GB/month is not going to sound excessive when we start rolling out movie downloads in HD (that's 12 movies), or Steam-like solutions take off, or people start using things like Skype. Nowadays, your game console, your HD-DVD player, and your DVR/cable box want Internet access to get patches or content, and these massive numbers are getting more and more reasonable. This shouldn't be a sign to Comcast that users should download less, it should be a sign that they need to upgrade their networks drastically and fast.

  4. Re:Thi is new how? by QCompson · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm surprised that people don't expect this to happen when they use too much bandwidth.

    Yes, it's strange. It's as if they were told they had unlimited internet access.
  5. Re:Net Neutrality... by The+Zon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, because I'm sure they'll take the money they get from content providers and pour it into upgrading their network. You know, so that they can handle enough bandwidth that they don't have to charge the content providers anymore.

    Oh, wait. That would cut off a source of income. Without net neutrality, they'd have a distinct profit motive to never upgrade.

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  6. it has to be said by indy_Muad'Dib · · Score: 5, Funny

    you've been cox-blocked

  7. Re:"Those Cox-uckers!" by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please mod this "-1, paragraphs are your friend"

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  8. Re:"Reserve the right to terminate at any time..." by melchoir55 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, it doesn't work that way. They can say whatever they want in their contract and you can sign it, but if just because you sign it does not mean the contract will hold. There are things a contract cannot do. Even if the contract explicitly states it and the person signs it, the contract can still be considered void if the contract violates a law. If I sign a contract that says "We reserve the right to enslave you at our discression", that contract WILL be considered void and they will be arrested if they try to act on it.

    There are rights you cannot make people sign away. "Reserve the right to terminate at any time..." does NOT equal "Reserve the right to terminate for any reason..". False advertising is a violation of law and cannot be gotten out of, no matter how fancy your contract is worded.

  9. Welcome to the real world... by u-235-sentinel · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm glad to see this finally on Slashdot. I've been pushing for Comcast to provide full disclosure since I was terminated. I didn't have DSL in my area until last Monday so now I'm not dealing with 28.8 speeds. While this may be legal, I'm hoping Comcast will come clean. I really appreciate Carolyn from the Boston Globe for publishing the story. There are many other articles coming from various consumer advocate groups in the next couple months so stay tuned.

    Since Comcast disconnected me in january, I've found dozens of people who have been disconnected across the country. What's amusing is Comcast is untilling to disclose what "Acceptable Use" is. They only point to their AUP/TOS on their web site and tell you to read it and follow it. Cox Communications and other reputable providers will tell you what Acceptable is in real numbers (50 Gigs a month, 80 Gigs and so on). Comcast will ONLY tell you an example of what Abuse is.

    They say an abuser downloads 256,000 photos or 30,000 sounds or 13 million (that's right, million) emails a month. So on my blog I posted what Comcast is saying in english. Abusers of their system are downloasing around 200-250 Gigs a month which is 100 times more than their "average" user. So the average user is only downloading about 1 - 2 Gigs a month. Hardly using the service in my book. Not really streaming video, purchasing movies from Amazon.com Unbox or anything. If you purchase 2 HD-DVD videos from Amazon and download them then you are already violating AUP/TOS with Comcast. Tonight I've updated my blog to include stories of other's who are providing videos for download online.

    I've posted my story on the web at my blog. I'm hoping to get the word out and have people look at fiber networks such as Utopia. Their fiber infrastructure provides choices. If a company (such as Comcast) is abusing customers, they can choose another. Of course having a 1 gig pipe to the house is also faster than anything Cable can provide. Must be why Verizon is rolling out FiOS.

    Anyway, Major Kudos to Carolyn at the Boston Globe!

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  10. DSL is shared too in a way by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cable, unlike DSL, is a shared medium. In other words, if some selfish jerk wants to trade torrents 24/7 and max the bandwidth then that can very well impact every other user on that line. ADSL is just as much a shared medium, as all customers share the DSLAM's upstream connection.