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Sport Is Unrelated To Obesity In Children

xiox writes "The UK government is planning to stop funding a study to understand obesity in children. The study fits children with accelerometers to measure how much energy each child uses in a day by moving. The results are surprising. Those children who do sports at school do not burn more calories than those who don't. Furthermore there is no correlation between body mass index and the number of calories used! The results are very interesting, suggesting that genetics and diet are the main reasons for childhood obesity, not sport. The UK government is trying to increase the amount of sport in schools."

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  1. This may all be true, but... by tuxlove · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even if sports don't help children keep slim, it is proven that it helps adults (in addition to genetics and diet, of course). People who start out as active young children are probably more likely to stay active into adulthood, at least moreso than less active kids. So in that sense, by teaching kids to exercise and be fit, you will potentially increase adult fitness. This alone justifies fitness programs in school.

    1. Re:This may all be true, but... by cluckshot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have no argument with the studies but I thought throwing a few more facts in the soup might be interesting.

      Normally animals and for that matter people given unlimited diets will only have a few individuals get fat. As a general rule diet and for that matter exercise just have little or no effect. We do know several things that to cause weight gain. It is known for example that deliberate malnutrition will cause weight gain. (anybody heard of a feed lot? Thats what it does. ) Genetic engineering of late has been producing the same effect as the feed lot diet.

      There are a lot of other factors like loss of sleep. Maybe our society and lifestyle really are a disease. We tend to get an arrogant disregard for sleep in our society and we also get a disregard of the quality of our food having food sellers pushing foods that are grown in conditions that don't exactly produce the best balanced nutrition.

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    2. Re:This may all be true, but... by grammar+fascist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've lost 60 that way (loosely following The Hacker's Diet), and in the course of it I developed a few tricks. For me, I found three kinds of hunger:

      1) Peckishness. I just want to chew something. Having a box of sugar-free gum handy really helps with this.

      2) Vitamin deficiency. When I first encountered this, I wandered into the kitchen looking for cheese. Man, I just wanted cheese. I felt like a pregnant woman, seriously. I had been cutting out milk, and was probably calcium-deficient. Also, when you eat less, you just get less vitamins. I take a multivitamin with calcium to counteract this kind of hunger, and that works really well.

      3) Energy hunger. When it's bad, my head spins and I get really cranky. The weird thing is, this kind of hunger has nothing to do with how many calories you need: it's about rhythms (how long since you ate) and whether your stomach feels empty.

      For #3, I look for foods with very low energy density. Happily, many of them tend to be fruits and vegetables, which helps with #2. For example, you can have a huge salad at only 200 kcal with the right dressing, and there are a lot of fantastic vinaigrettes out there. (Kraft's Sun Dried Tomato and Roasted Red Pepper Italian come to mind.) Sprinkle some real crumbled bacon and shredded cheese on it for extra taste. Make it easy on yourself: buy everything pre-packaged.

      I watch what I drink, mostly just avoiding milk and soda pop. Water is great. Crystal Light (or a knock-off) and Diet Coke are wonderful when you need something sweet. I guzzle something before eating to feel more full with less.

      You can do it no matter how cranky you tend to get, if you know some tricks.

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    3. Re:This may all be true, but... by arivanov · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not correct for the subject in hand. The subject is UK schools .

      This morning I dropped of junior at school and I noticed a big sign: No play in the playground allowed, dangerous BIG holes in the playground. There were two holes, both 1-2 inch wide, 1 inch deep. For the reference the school is Queens Edith Primary in Cambridge UK.

      The way UK schools (based on observations from the same school) understand physical education is - you put kids in class, tell one to do an exercise, the rest watch. There is a variation on this when you show the exercise and they do it. There is no warmup whatsoever. If a child decides to warm up by doing a run around for 5 minutes he is penalized and chastized as a troublemaker. Compared to that on the continent they make them all run for at least 200m in the under 10 age group, going to 600+ for the older ones at the beginning of the lesson. As a result the exercise value in the UK is minimal and it is actually hazardous from a health and safety perspective as the children have had no warmup.

      In addition to that in the UK all other obesity related factors are obscured by one other - vitamin D defficiency past the nursery age. 95% of the kids show bone deformations characteristic for that - X legs, rachitic skull, the lot. The primary reason for this is the anti-sun + suncream obscession which leads to most kids getting less than the essential doze of sun for activating vitamin D to the required degree (30min daily average unhindered summer sun at UK lattittude for an average white caucasian, going up to 1h+ in spring, autumn and winter, with the numbers for darker skin colour being bigger than that). Add to that the fact that kids are ferried around in buggies restrained with minimal movement till the age of 4 and the picture is mostly complete (mine refused to get into it from the age of 2 and I agreed with him).

      From there on kids are bound to be obese. Until these factors are eliminated any study in the UK will be bogus as a large sample of the juvenile population is already highly susceptible to obesity and no physical education or sport can help them in that. Nothing to see people, move along. Another study which concentrates on everything but the two root causes for UK:

      • The rabid propaganda by the UK cancer research soscieties about skin cancer will kill by an order of magnitude more people from vitamin D defficiency related causes like bone problems and obesityt, than it will save.
      • The UK pram obscession is the other main reason for obesity. Get the kids out, they are not a damn toy doll to ferry around.
      Stating either of these is too unpopular so people do studies on everything but these.
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  2. Incomplete Story by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Recent studies also show that overweight people who excercise are less likely to suffer heart disease, diabetes, and other ailments than people of 'normal' weight who do not excercise.

    This is a bit misleading and I hope it doesn't discourage the efforts to get kids to excercise more.

  3. After TFA, read this too by cmburns69 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is an article I found from digg that was very enlightening.
     
    ... And a quote from a nutritionist I know: "The childhood obesity epidemic is an epidemic of news stories, not a problem itself."

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  4. I'm confused by LS · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So are these scientists claiming that children don't expend energy while exercising? Don't the laws of conservation apply to children as well, or are they from an alternate universe? The UK should be careful publishing these results, lest some nut starts enslaving children to build his perpetual motion device.

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  5. Maybe sports in school takes fun out of exercise by Latent+Heat · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Perhaps some gym class/athletic programs/sports in school manage to promote sports elite and take the fun out of such activities for the majority of the other kids.

    If the emphasis is on competition and winning, the vast majority of school children don't belong to the few that are advanced a few months in maturation and have the muscle strength to dominate in these competitions and thereby most warm the bench. At all levels from the gym class through the "revenue sports" of high school football (yes, they charge money to watch these kids play football), the emphasis is on winning rather than having a rotation to keep as many kids involved, or even providing any degree of remedial sports training to offer any degree of encouragement or extra support for the kids who don't dominate their sports teams.

    There may be some cultural or social reasons for the less athletically gifted to try out for sports teams and be part of the team even if they play a minor supporting role, but the whole sports culture is a kind of primate dominance hierarchy thing rather than focused on keeping as many people physically fit.

    Also, I don't know if the Latin teacher is a frustrated Classics scholar, the English teacher is a frustrated attorney, or if the Math teacher is a frustrated research engineer (although the Physics teacher, if you had that subject, was always a little beyond the fringe), but the Gym teacher is most likely a frustrated athlete given the very broad pyramid of people attempting to make a career out of sports with a chosen few at the very tippy top.

  6. Wow who knew there were thin people on slashdot. by Jartan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm amazed there are indeed thin people here on slashdot making their usual comments about their theories on why fat people are fat.

    Seriously though all the study showed was that fat kids tend to move around about as much as thin kids. That really has little to do with how in shape they are or how many calories they burn siting still due to having more muscle etc etc. Plus the human body can use vastly different methods to convert energy and all of them have different efficiency values.

    For example did the overweight kid stop running as soon as his body switched over to aerobic energy conversion because his lungs started hurting from breathing harder than usual? Theres no way the device can know something crucial like that unless it monitors more than mere movement.

  7. Obvious by DebateG · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Anyone who has studied basic human metabolism should be able to figure this out. Exercise alone simply is a bad way to lose weight.

    The total energy expenditure (TEE) of the human body is determined by the following equation:

    TEE = BMR + PA + TEF

    BMR = Basal metabolic rate
    This is proportional to the lean body mass, not the BMI (which is a really bad measure of obesity). This is typically 60 - 70% of your TEE

    PA = Energy expended during physical activity
    This consists of around 20% of your energy expenditure

    TEF = Thermic effect of food
    This is the energy expended to digest food, typically 10% of kcal's consumed. This really doesn't really come into play in weight gain since eating more food still gives you excess calories (albeit at 90%) and eating less is still fewer calories.

    In other words, the majority of your energy expenditure is determined by your basal metabolic rate by a ratio of around 3.5 to 1. This is especially true in children whose BMR's are naturally higher than most adults'. This is not to say that exercise isn't useful. BMR is determined by lean body mass, which is determined by your muscle mass, which is determined by genetics and exercise. Exercise does help you lose weight, but it takes a lot longer than diet. Exercise also has independent benefits on cardiovascular health and a host of other health measures.

    So all those people who tell you that losing weight is 80% diet and 20% exercise aren't lying. That's simply the science.

  8. Simple to unconfuse you... everone has a limit... by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Basically it is saying that every child has a total limit on the activity they do in a day/week. And those limits are all about the same. So if the child is more active during school doing things like sports, they are less active out of school because they are tired. The children who were less active in school sports were more active outside of school doing other things, playing, riding bikes, running around outside, etc., etc... The end result is that it doesn't seem to matter if you promote activity in school since the net total activity is approximitely the same between people active in school verses not active in school. Which means that the problem is not that people are not as active as they have been in the past, it is the food and portions of food they are eating along with their genetic disposition to the kinds of food. Activity level is not a part of the problem of childhood obesity according to this research as it appears that the activity level at least between people who are over-weight and those who are not is not statistically linked. Further study may be able to prove that activity level is not linked to being over-weight. The problem with this conclusion is the fact that it means the food is the problem. And governments have not been very keen on attacking the food industry. Only a few places have done that, and it is usually at the local level, as at the national level, the food industry has too much lobby'ing power in most democratic governments.

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  9. Re:I'm skeptical... by Nite_Hawk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was curious and happened to have an old package of "maruchan" ramen in my pantry. One package is 400 calories with 16g of fat, 8 of which are saturated fat. (FYI it is also 60% of your daily sodium intake!)

    Anyway, you claim a gain of 35lbs over 6 months. That's ~183 days. According to wikipedia, 1lb of fat gain is roughly equal to an excess intake of 3500 calories, meaning that 122,500 calories of fat were gained over the 183 day period.

    122,500 calories gained in fat / ~183 days = ~669 calories gained in fat per day. You are claiming a daily intake of only 400 calories from ramen. Clearly, your scenario violates the laws of physics.

    Nite_Hawk

  10. I disagree. by porkchop_d_clown · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I once managed to lose 95 pounds. Kept it off for several years. For me, the trick that broke the barrier was weight lifting. Diet by itself just made me weaker - I kept the fat and lost muscle. Aerobics boosted my energy levels but didn't burn weight. (Of course, I was so heavy that "aerobics" was barely a mile run).

    Weight lifting forced my body to add muscle mass which boosted how many calories I burned during a day. The big problem I have now is that I'm getting older and, frankly, lifting and I don't get along as well as we used to...

  11. Re:Maybe sports in school takes fun out of exercis by zippthorne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Competition may be frustrating for people who continuously lose, but getting rid of it makes the games boring for everyone. The trick is to segregate them into groups of equivalent skill without singling out anyone into the "loser's league."

    Perhaps by having non-conventional or out-of-season sports run concurrently with the vanilla sports. The better athletes seem to prefer the regular events, while the less skilled could simply choose something else if frustrated, always with the excuse, "well I like dodgeball, pickleball, badminton, or curling more than basketball, baseball, football, or boring football (a.k.a soccer)."

    Any sports not practiced at home will even the playing field as well, so there's no reason to restrict anyone to any strata.

    Anyone who says dodgeball is stupid better not play FPSs.

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  12. Re:1. Eliminate PE 2. But Little tubs on Atkins by nbritton · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You mean enriched white bread. Wholegrain wheat bread is the stuff you should be eating.
    Follow these food intake guidelines:

    By Proportion:
      * 45% Fat.
      * 28% Protein.
      * 27% Carbohydrates.

    By Calorie:
      * 55% Animal Products
      * 45% Plant Products.

    By Weight:
      * 2/3 Plant products
      * 1/3 Animal products.

    Preferred Carbohydrate Sources:
      * Foods with low glycemic load.
      * Unprocessed plant products.
      * Foods with a low glycemic index.

    Non-Preferred Food Items & Ingredients:
      * High glycemic index foods.
          * Rice, primarily processed white rices.
          * Patatos.
          * Foods derived from highly processed grains.
              * If you can't see the grains don't eat it.
          * Mono/Di saccharides (Sugar, Corn syrup, ...).
      * Hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils, fats, and lipids.
          * Shortening.

    "Always read food labels and choose foods without trans fats. Or - if partially hydrogenated vegetable oil or shortening is on the label - choose foods that have them near the end of the ingredient list (labels list ingredients from most to least). Starting in 2006, FDA has required that all "Nutrition Facts" labels on food list trans fat content. If partially hydrogenated oil is on the label, the food is not trans fat free." http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/pr/pr083-05.shtml

  13. Re:Bicycle commuting does help! Personal testimony by DeathElk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Excellent, well done. The answer to many of the problems faced by a modern urban society is sitting there, quietly gathering dust in the garage.

  14. Nobody RTFA! by raehl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article says the study reached two conclusions:

    1) (And most relevant to the politics) Access to sporting facilities had negligible effect on the activity of children. Children with access to sporting facilities used them, got tired, and were not very active when they got home. Children without access got home and, not having had a chance ot do sporting stuff at school, were more active outside of school. So, basically, the body is wired to get X amount of activity a day, and if it doesn't get it at sporting facilities paid for by the state, will get it after school anyway. Ergo, spending money on sporting facilities doesn't help kids get more excercise.

    2) (And this is a specious conclusion) Amount of activity has no bearing on the child's Body Mass Index. They try and make this say that therefore, activity has nothing to do with obesity, but BMI is a body-mass index, not an obesity index. If you have fat, and you exercise, you may very well lose fat and get thinner and not lose any weight, because you also tend to gain muscle when you exercise. so kids who exercise may way the same as kids who don't, but are still probably much less fat.

    Now, if the study measured how much FAT the kids had and didn't notice a difference with excercise, then they might be on to something, but they didn't, so they're not.