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World's First Lego Autopilot

zlite writes "What's the best way to create a UAV for less than $1,000? Use the new Hitechnic gyro sensor for Mindstorms NXT to create a Lego autopilot! This one can turn a R/C plane into a drone, keeping the aircraft level and returning it to the launch area. Add a Bluetooth GPS module and a microcam and you've got a fully autonomous surveillance platform."

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  1. illegal in US? Don't tell DHS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I believe this is illegal in the US. Please don't tell the DHS or they will ban the LEGO mindstorm as a WMD.

  2. Best job in the world.... by Gilatrout · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I used to think that unit testing missle systems would be the best job in the world. Now that I'm older I realize the best job in the world was the one I had when I was a kid where I had a big bucket of Lego bricks and the only limit was my imagination.

    1. Re:Best job in the world.... by Sobrique · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Autonomous lego drone + home made explosives, and you've just revolutionised terrorism. I mean, who needs letter bombs, when you can just remote drone their house.

    2. Re:Best job in the world.... by robably · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nothing is stopping you playing with Lego now, and the AFOL community (Adult Fans Of Lego) is one of the friendliest communities to be a part of. Visit Lugnet to see what's going on, upload your models to Brickshelf to share what you do with everyone else, check if there are any Lego shows in your area, and maybe join a local user group. Have fun.

  3. HOMSEC! by db32 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The department of Homeland Security has been notified. Ownership of Lego's have officially been declared a crime to be prosecuted by the Patriot Act. This support of terrorist activities will not go unchallenged! Only the Feds are allowed to spy on the populace, the populace is not allowed to own these types of things.

    In all seriousness now, how long do you think it will be before someone gets arrested for doing something like this. I just listened to the story about crazyskimask.com and getting arrested for just wearing a skimask and taking pictures. Welcome to our new feardom :(

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    1. Re:HOMSEC! by Cheesey · · Score: 2, Funny

      The department of Homeland Security has been notified. Ownership of Lego's have officially been declared a crime to be prosecuted by the Patriot Act. This support of terrorist activities will not go unchallenged! Only the Feds are allowed to spy on the populace, the populace is not allowed to own these types of things.

      It's not just about spying! The evil terrorists might use them to fly bombs into things! Or evil drug dealers might use long-haul UAVs with GPS to smuggle drugs in from South America!

      Think of the children! It's a security crisis! If only there were some way to stop people inventing things.

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    2. Re:HOMSEC! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "If only there were some way to stop people inventing things."

      There is. It's called patents.

    3. Re:HOMSEC! by noSignal · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well; you jest, but this has already been addressed by the FAA: http://cryptome.org/faa021307.htm. Under this policy, I believe that you could be arrested for flying an aircraft like this without explicit authorization from the government. I do aerial photography with rc helicopters for my wife's real-estate company and you wouldn't believe the crap I have to deal with when people see that I have a flying camera in their neighborhood.
      Personally, I'd rather use purpose built avionics in my models than try to jerry-rig lego sensors. I don't want to be liable if the electronics fail in my aircraft and it damages someone's property or worse.

  4. Autopilot by Migraineman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Add a Bluetooth GPS module and a microcam and you've got a fully autonomous surveillance platform.

    I think you misspelled "cruise missile."

  5. LEGO skynet? by smellsofbikes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dude, if the robots that overthrow humanity are made of LEGOs, my head is going to explode trying to decide how I feel about the situation.

    MY LEGO assistant is only smart enough to try and grab rings and feed them into a spotwelder, but even that could be dangerous if the controller (my computer) turns to EEEVILE, as in fru-its of the deviiiiil.

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  6. VaporWarez by FirmWarez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hmmm, HiTechnic says gyro "will be available soon" and the Lego blog says "I haven't received the gyro sensor yet, so I've got a light sensor standing in for it in the picture, but the mechanicals are pretty much in place.". Vaporware. Cool idea, but nothing more than a cool idea at this point.

    What will be interesting in all this is the complete stupidity that will follow. I work for an embedded systems contract design house. We tried to get some samples of the single chip gyros, what a royal pain! It seems somebody out there is terrified that "tear-ists" will buy the chips and build evil cruise missiles and such. Why did we try to get the parts? Because one of the guys needed to replace one in a $100 RC helicopter. So for now you can buy the helo, buy the Lego add-on, but forget about getting the gyros themselves unless you can prove you're not sellin' them to the KLF or whatever liberation front dujour. How long before some congressional idiot ("but I repeat myself" - Mark Twain) sees this and decides us lowly regular folks have no use for these devices at all?

  7. For god's sake, Slashdot.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Post some new news!

    Model helicopters and model thermal soarers both have used this technology for the past 20 years. In the case of thermal soarers, which may launch at over 1k ft, an Out-of Sight (OOS) control system is essential.

    What about that Canadian floating gliders to the edge of space on balloons and then having them find their way back home? http://members.shaw.ca/sonde/

    What about that New Zealander making a home built cruise missile? http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/

    When I want to read history, I'll go to a history of technology board!

  8. Re:huh? by Sobrique · · Score: 2, Informative
    I have a feeling that some GPS recievers are less enthusiastic about reporting altitude than others. I know the one I've got built into my sat nav doesn't seem to care.

    That's not to say that you can't tweak the firmware of the receiver or something, but it may not be _that_ easy.

    Of course, 'buy a gps which lets you do altitude' is also a solution :)

  9. Don't do this in Boston by us7892 · · Score: 2, Funny

    add a Bluetooth GPS module and a microcam

    I'd like to see a microcam video of a flight. Fly it over something interesting. If you do it in Boston, over City Hall perhaps, you'll be able to bring the entire city to it's knees, and the Mayor will be demanding $$$ from Lego. A state police helicopter, sharp shooters, the bomb squad...it'll all be on the 6 o'clock news...

  10. Yaw, Pitch and Roll by DigitalReverend · · Score: 2

    I think using the lego gyro is a fantastic idea. Imagination is great. I must admit though that I am a bit confused, maybe it's me, maybe it's the way TFA was written, and I pray it's just a typo otherwise, someone is going to have a nice repair bill as an RC aircraft takes a nosedive through someone's roof.

    This autopilot only controls the rudder, keeping the plane flying level when engaged and returning to the launch area.

    According to WIKI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_controls the rudder controls yaw, not pitch or roll. So I am not sure how the rudder keeps the plane flying level. Can anyone help?

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    1. Re:Yaw, Pitch and Roll by zlite · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Many high-wing R/C planes use the rudder for roll. They're inherently stable, and rudder turns tend to bank because the weight is under the wing.

    2. Re:Yaw, Pitch and Roll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      When you yaw an aircraft you change the relative speed that the left and right wings are traveling through the air. Since the amount of lift produced by an airfoil is a result of (among other things) the speed of the airflow over the airfoil you are making one wing produce more lift than the other wing. In the case where you are using left rudder for example, the right wing will travel faster and produce more lift. The difference in lift between the two wings will cause the aircraft to roll. In our example, since the right wing is producing more lift, the aircraft will roll to the left.

      When the aircraft rolls, the lift vector (a mathematical construct that represents the sum of lift over the entire airfoil showing its strength and direction as an arrow sticking out of the top of the aircraft) changes from pointing straight up as it would in level flight to pointing somewhat to the side. You can view this lift vector as the force that is holding the aircraft in the air. This change in the direction of lift "pulls" the aircraft around in a turn. Since some of the lift that was previously used to support the weight of the aircraft is now being used to turn the aircraft the aircraft will descend.

      To understand how altitude is controlled you need to first consider the concept of trim. The aircraft is trimmed, or aerodynamically balanced, so that it will gently climb as long as power is being applied. When the power stops the aircraft will glide down. You can control the altitude of the aircraft by either starting and stopping the engine or, with a constantly running engine, by letting the aircraft fly straight to climb and turning it when you want to descend.

      The early R/C airplanes were single channel (rudder only) control. You could do some amazing aerobatics with them once you got the hang of it. On a good day you could actually intend to do the aerobatic maneuvers.

  11. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    GPS Altitude is a rough approximation at best. The system was optimized for lat/lon position on the globe, not up-down. I've stood on the Blue Ridge Parkway and watched the ground soar up and down in a hundred foot range as I looked at my eTrex.

    For this reason, Garmin builds (built?) at least one eTrex unit with a barometer built in for accurate altitude readings.

    100 feet of slop is not good if you're trying to land the plane automatically.

    I'd imagine

  12. Re:Embed a Wiimote by ch-chuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    you mean like one of these ?

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  13. No Fate.. by streetphantom · · Score: 2

    No fate but what we make from lego.

  14. Article is misleading by Neil+Jansen · · Score: 5, Informative

    He won't be able to do much with a single-axis gyro. Also I didn't see any mention of an accelerometer, or an altitude sensor. He would be much better off (and save some money) by learning how to solder and use real components instead of the overpriced lego stuff. For example, my current RC autopilot setup uses 2x IDG300 dual-axis gyro IC's and an ADXL330 3-axis accelerometer. Also a SiRF III 20-channel GPS module, a pressure sensor for altitude, and a set of Nordic 2.4 GHz wireless tranceivers. Right now I have everything tied into an ARM7 but a Nano or Pico-ITX might be in my future.

    5-axis IMU ($109.95): http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php? products_id=741
    2-axis gyro (use with above to make a 6-axis (double up on one axis) ($69.95): http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php? products_id=698
    Altimeter: ($49.95): http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php? products_id=8161
    GPS receiver, SiRF-III ($55.95): http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php? products_id=465
    And finally, 2.4 GHz 1Mbit transciever to control it ($24.95 each): http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php? products_id=152

    Add a GWS slowstick RC airplane ($35) and miscellaneous electronic pieces for a grand total of $370 or so. Not to troll, but I really don't see why people invest so much in doing things in legos when there's so much real hardware out there to play with.

    1. Re:Article is misleading by bhima · · Score: 2, Informative

      Soldering, Wiring, Rudimentary EE skills
      non Wintel or X86 Linux programming / cross compiling
      Command Line only no GUI

      I think I summed that up nicely.... and for the record I found all of the above easier to learn than the modern IDE (Microsoft Visual Studio) and OS interaction.

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  15. Look out!!! by physicsboy500 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Spies!!! with tiny yellow heads!!!

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  16. Re:Embed a Wiimote by proxy318 · · Score: 2, Funny

    My uncle's name is Bill. Who the hell is Bob?

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  17. Re:Embed a Wiimote by morphiussys · · Score: 2, Informative

    Probably, but a lot less expensive. Tho about the PDA ... for anything too far you would probably have to give it a program to follow rather than control it manually ... bluetooth, for as far as it works, only works in the general area.

  18. Re:huh? by Alizarin+Erythrosin · · Score: 2, Informative

    GPS can be good at altitude measurements, except you need to use the P(Y) code, which is encrypted. You could get away with using carrier phase or differential or RTK but then you start getting into the realm of some quite expensive gear.

    The article just talks about a bluetooth GPS module, so I'll assume something commercial that likely includes WAAS. As he says, it'll be good enough to maintain flight but if he wants to land he'll need something more.

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  19. Re:illegal in US? Don't tell DHS by hey! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Denmark? The propaganda machine is already rolling.

    Freedom pastries, anyone?

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  20. Re:Translation by robably · · Score: 2, Insightful

    at least we have support groups for it nowadays.
    "Hello, I'm Jim and I made a robot holding a sausage today."

    Seriously though, if someone's grown up and thinks they're too cool to play with Lego, it means they've still got some growing to do.