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File Sharing — Harmful to Children and a Threat to National Security

jkrobin writes to mention that a recent report from the US Patent office calls peer-to-peer file sharing harmful to children and a threat to national security. "Interestingly, the report makes numerous references to RIAA and MPAA legal actions against file actions, as well as cites a 2005 Department of Homeland Security report that government workers had installed file-sharing programs that accessed classified information without their knowledge."

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  1. Stop the INSANITY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stop the INSANITY!

    This is getting just stupid.

    We live in a MEDIA driven State of Fear.

    1. Re:Stop the INSANITY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is the smartest thing anyone has said about this so far!

      Americans are so easily manipulated. They have been so conditioned by advertising it's not even funny.

    2. Re:Stop the INSANITY! by eonlabs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      MPAA and RIAA with flagrant and excessive lawsuits directed at random are potentially harmful to children?

      Senators who don't keep file sharing software away from classified files (or don't actively restrict the software from sharing those files) are a security threat?

      hmmm...

      Wording could be important on this issue too.
      Maybe what we want is for people to RTFM on some of the software they install on their machines. Senators are being paid enough to have a work machine that does not have crap on it. This is a modern world, and if people being elected into office can't keep up with it, they shouldn't be elected. Once they are there, it's there responsibility not to screw up on something stupid like that.

      Someone else figure out the RIAA MPAA problem. They're beyond me.

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    3. Re:Stop the INSANITY! by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hell yeah! Just look at the other wars the proud sons and daughters of the U.S. have won:

      War on Drugs: Nobody uses those any more right? We're all clean and sober now, nevermind those pesky Californians and their "medicinal" marijuana. They're just tree-hugging hippies with glaucoma and don't count.

      War on Poverty: We cured that long ago, the incredible wages we pay our hard-working CEOs have been trickling down into the economy for some time and no one is poor any more and we all have health care and social security.

      War on Christmas: Won! Wal-Mart now uses the wholesome Merry Christmas instead of the godless heathen phrase "Happy Holidays". Santa Claus is no longer banned from spreading the gospel to children by teaching them the joys of rampant consumerism and owning a tickle-me-elmo.

      War on Terror: We invaded Iraq, so no more terrorists, right? A reliable source told me that the insurgency there is in the last throes. However, this is only if the democrats don't ruin it by not supporting our troops by refusing to allow any more to die in the middle of the non-civil war.

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    4. Re:Stop the INSANITY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      MPAA and RIAA with flagrant and excessive lawsuits directed at random are potentially harmful to children?

      Yes, which is why they claim file sharing is harmful to children since they will be sued and therefore harmed. Similar legislation exists for marijuana. Most of the problems associated with marijuana are caused by the fact that it is illegal (gangs, prison, drug dealers, etc.). Make file sharing (or marijuana) legal and you eliminate the harm caused by both. Unfortunately the RIAA would not profit from this so it becomes a tough decision for them. They can profit and harm children, or not profit and not harm children. Hell, they may as well cut the middle man and just sell kiddie porn.

  2. Hmm by TheMeuge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's good to know that RIAA and MPAA are willing to expend so much energy and money to educate our public officials. After all, we wouldn't want any extra freedoms to slip under the door.

  3. Pencils -- Harmful to Children etc. by Wilson_6500 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The ordinary pencil is, in our modern America, a flagrant excess that cannot be tolerated. Pencils can be used to copy national secrets from one piece of paper to another, and leave no identifying marks of any kind on the documents that have been copied. Their sharp ends can be used to gouge; children can inflict grevious rubber burns upon one another using the rubber end. Perhaps most shocking of all, the pencil graphite is conductive and could be used in any number of explosive devices where conductive elements are required.

    The Pencil manufacturing concerns of America, however, are resolved to work with the U.S. government to mitigate this crisis. Henceforth, all pencil purchases are tracked with a unique REAL ID-coordinated identifier. Authorized use of pencils will require a tiny microchip implanted under the skin of the right hand. A left-handed version of the chip is expected to be available before 2020--until then, pencil-using left-handed Americans will have to make the sacrifice of writing less legibly until the chip is available.

    Wow, I'm really bored today.

    1. Re:Pencils -- Harmful to Children etc. by fair_n_hite_451 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What bothers me about this report ... and everything like it which has been trotted out over the last few years ... is that people are expected to be stupid enough to believe it.

      I mean, how dumb do you have to be to believe that because children could be manipulated into violating the law by some evil website designer, this has ANYTHING to do with national security?

      Unless they think that when we fence off England and turn it into a giant prison island (I mean, they're already halfway there on the surveilance front) there won't be any young males left to fight our wars if we've put them all in jail for stealing copyrighted (copywrit?) items.

      These MAFIAA people don't think like I do, and that scares me because they obviously don't have the same moral (in terms of what's right and what's wrong, not anything religious) standards that I do ... and they seem determined to turn me into a criminal for some reason.

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    2. Re:Pencils -- Harmful to Children etc. by Rycross · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well enough people seem to think that video games can influence children to break the law... I don't see why you think its such a huge logical leap to think the same for web sites. Its the same thing with people thinking Harry Potter or Dungeons and Dragons will encourage kids into witchcraft. Its sad, but people are stupid enough to believe it.

  4. Security of what? by LoudMusic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    File Sharing -- Harmful to Children and a Threat to National Security

    [snip] ... Homeland Security report that government workers had installed file-sharing programs that accessed classified information without their knowledge. File sharing? Sounds like ignorance about security is the real threat. And they're in charge of security? We are so fucked.
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    1. Re:Security of what? by synjck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it's analogous to say "guns are a threat to national security" or "airplanes are a threat to national security."

      as always, personal responsibility is brushed aside in the name of hype.

  5. Not the real issue.... by cyberbob2351 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    file-sharing software could be to blame for government workers who expose sensitive data and jeopardize national security after downloading free music on the job

    It sounds like the network administrators in said "governmental offices" should take the precautions neccessary to police the bandwidth. Furthermore, any environment in which said p2p applications are capable of leaking any private information need to be under closer scrutiny.

    Don't blame the p2p networks for the actions and negligence of those in control of their own computer infrastructure.

    A decade ago, the idea that copyright infringement could become a threat to national security would have seemed implausible. Now, it is a sad reality.

    Since when is copyright infringement, and not massively-propagating worms and keyloggers, the problem for national security. The latter causes FAR more breeches of personal identity information and credentials.

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  6. Classified info by Original+Replica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The threat to national security is not the file sharing software it's the asshats who have access to classifed documents,who are installing Kazaa on their government owned work computers. You could just as likely leave a few thumbdrives with trojans sitting around where these guys have lunch.

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  7. Class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > Wow, I'm really bored today.

    If you produce that level of satire as a result, please be bored more often ;-)

  8. Harmful to children by phorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which is to say that, of course, music and movies depicting or narrating gangbangers pimping hoes, killing rivals/cops/etc, and committing various other crimes are not harmful to children.

    Hmmm... well at least their glass houses get a lot of light.

  9. Re:Whereas: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Software merely takes a generalized machine and turns it
    > into a specialized machine. Clearly a unique specialized
    > machine should be patentable.

    No the general purpose machine is the patentable invention. Specific information (ie: software) should be protected by copyright. Pure software is not patentable and all software is pure software.

  10. Re:Whereas: by HermMunster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Patent Office is either way off its rocker and/or it is not a far stretch to understand that a company that controls your computer, the content, the OS and that of 90% of the rest of the world, would make it also a threat to National Security and the security of every other nation on the planet. Microsoft with Vista can turn off your ability to use the computer. Through tools like WGA and WGN it can monitor your computer and your use. Since there is no competition out there to give consumers and government a choice then we are all bound to something that is unprecedented in the history of the world. The OS. No other time in the history of the world has one company held such influence on the lives of virtually everyone in the world in the same way.

    To say that file sharing allows for children to have access to this or that harmful content, and be subject to other bad things, and to say that files can be put at risk and therefore risk the national security, it would not be a far stretch to understand that to allow one company to essentially enter every computer (as the computer is an extension of your home/business) as they are able to enter your home and business to search, inventory, and accuse (and ultimately with Vista shut down your home/business) then that company and it's product could be considered a threat to national security. P2P is not used solely by children and since it can be useful in business and government it is a lesser threat than that posed by one company having control of the computers of the world. You have unprecedented control and access which creates a major possibility of security threats, if not primarily by Microsoft then by some enterprising vicious terrorist hoping to exploit Microsoft's buggy OSes and buggy spy tools.

    You can't go from P2P and the concept of access without going to Windows and WGA/WGN. Whatever applies to the concept of access over the Internet via P2P also extends to any product that could be used to yield the same type of invasive behavior that leads to stealing trade/national secrets be it by a controlling monopoly previously convicted in numerous nations of the world or by someone attempting to exploit the fact that exploits to tools like WGA/WGN could present unprecedented access to terrorists and the governments of other rogue nations.

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  11. Users by kingturkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    File sharing isn't a threat to national security, stupid government employees that install file sharing programs on work computers and then make the shared folder one that contains important documents are a threat to national security.