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File Sharing — Harmful to Children and a Threat to National Security

jkrobin writes to mention that a recent report from the US Patent office calls peer-to-peer file sharing harmful to children and a threat to national security. "Interestingly, the report makes numerous references to RIAA and MPAA legal actions against file actions, as well as cites a 2005 Department of Homeland Security report that government workers had installed file-sharing programs that accessed classified information without their knowledge."

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  1. Stop the INSANITY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stop the INSANITY!

    This is getting just stupid.

    We live in a MEDIA driven State of Fear.

    1. Re:Stop the INSANITY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is the smartest thing anyone has said about this so far!

      Americans are so easily manipulated. They have been so conditioned by advertising it's not even funny.

    2. Re:Stop the INSANITY! by eonlabs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      MPAA and RIAA with flagrant and excessive lawsuits directed at random are potentially harmful to children?

      Senators who don't keep file sharing software away from classified files (or don't actively restrict the software from sharing those files) are a security threat?

      hmmm...

      Wording could be important on this issue too.
      Maybe what we want is for people to RTFM on some of the software they install on their machines. Senators are being paid enough to have a work machine that does not have crap on it. This is a modern world, and if people being elected into office can't keep up with it, they shouldn't be elected. Once they are there, it's there responsibility not to screw up on something stupid like that.

      Someone else figure out the RIAA MPAA problem. They're beyond me.

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    3. Re:Stop the INSANITY! by omeomi · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's it! We can't wait any longer! We have to declare a WAR ON FILE SHARING. I mean, it's worked for everything else, right?

    4. Re:Stop the INSANITY! by StarvingSE · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...Russians are drunk...

      I'm Irish, you insensitive clod! How dare you give our national identity to the Russians!!!

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    5. Re:Stop the INSANITY! by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Funny

      If it goes anything like the other "War On $FOO" that we've attempted, I'm all for it. It'll be free files for everybody!

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    6. Re:Stop the INSANITY! by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hell yeah! Just look at the other wars the proud sons and daughters of the U.S. have won:

      War on Drugs: Nobody uses those any more right? We're all clean and sober now, nevermind those pesky Californians and their "medicinal" marijuana. They're just tree-hugging hippies with glaucoma and don't count.

      War on Poverty: We cured that long ago, the incredible wages we pay our hard-working CEOs have been trickling down into the economy for some time and no one is poor any more and we all have health care and social security.

      War on Christmas: Won! Wal-Mart now uses the wholesome Merry Christmas instead of the godless heathen phrase "Happy Holidays". Santa Claus is no longer banned from spreading the gospel to children by teaching them the joys of rampant consumerism and owning a tickle-me-elmo.

      War on Terror: We invaded Iraq, so no more terrorists, right? A reliable source told me that the insurgency there is in the last throes. However, this is only if the democrats don't ruin it by not supporting our troops by refusing to allow any more to die in the middle of the non-civil war.

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    7. Re:Stop the INSANITY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      MPAA and RIAA with flagrant and excessive lawsuits directed at random are potentially harmful to children?

      Yes, which is why they claim file sharing is harmful to children since they will be sued and therefore harmed. Similar legislation exists for marijuana. Most of the problems associated with marijuana are caused by the fact that it is illegal (gangs, prison, drug dealers, etc.). Make file sharing (or marijuana) legal and you eliminate the harm caused by both. Unfortunately the RIAA would not profit from this so it becomes a tough decision for them. They can profit and harm children, or not profit and not harm children. Hell, they may as well cut the middle man and just sell kiddie porn.

  2. Hmm by TheMeuge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's good to know that RIAA and MPAA are willing to expend so much energy and money to educate our public officials. After all, we wouldn't want any extra freedoms to slip under the door.

    1. Re:Hmm by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

      Reminds me of when my brother got busted with pot. He lost his car and about $3k in fines and court costs. My parents blamed pot. Although pot didn't do that to him the government did. Pot only ever got us high.

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  3. good thing it's 80 pages by EllynGeek · · Score: 5, Funny

    So we have a GOOD reason, for once, to comment without reading the article.

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    1. Re:good thing it's 80 pages by vivaoporto · · Score: 4, Funny

      You must be new here. I thought this being Slashdot was the good reason.

    2. Re:good thing it's 80 pages by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow, I feel lazy now. I didn't even check to see how many pages it was.

  4. Pencils -- Harmful to Children etc. by Wilson_6500 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The ordinary pencil is, in our modern America, a flagrant excess that cannot be tolerated. Pencils can be used to copy national secrets from one piece of paper to another, and leave no identifying marks of any kind on the documents that have been copied. Their sharp ends can be used to gouge; children can inflict grevious rubber burns upon one another using the rubber end. Perhaps most shocking of all, the pencil graphite is conductive and could be used in any number of explosive devices where conductive elements are required.

    The Pencil manufacturing concerns of America, however, are resolved to work with the U.S. government to mitigate this crisis. Henceforth, all pencil purchases are tracked with a unique REAL ID-coordinated identifier. Authorized use of pencils will require a tiny microchip implanted under the skin of the right hand. A left-handed version of the chip is expected to be available before 2020--until then, pencil-using left-handed Americans will have to make the sacrifice of writing less legibly until the chip is available.

    Wow, I'm really bored today.

    1. Re:Pencils -- Harmful to Children etc. by fair_n_hite_451 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What bothers me about this report ... and everything like it which has been trotted out over the last few years ... is that people are expected to be stupid enough to believe it.

      I mean, how dumb do you have to be to believe that because children could be manipulated into violating the law by some evil website designer, this has ANYTHING to do with national security?

      Unless they think that when we fence off England and turn it into a giant prison island (I mean, they're already halfway there on the surveilance front) there won't be any young males left to fight our wars if we've put them all in jail for stealing copyrighted (copywrit?) items.

      These MAFIAA people don't think like I do, and that scares me because they obviously don't have the same moral (in terms of what's right and what's wrong, not anything religious) standards that I do ... and they seem determined to turn me into a criminal for some reason.

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    2. Re:Pencils -- Harmful to Children etc. by Rycross · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well enough people seem to think that video games can influence children to break the law... I don't see why you think its such a huge logical leap to think the same for web sites. Its the same thing with people thinking Harry Potter or Dungeons and Dragons will encourage kids into witchcraft. Its sad, but people are stupid enough to believe it.

  5. They're going for the high score! by Rycross · · Score: 5, Funny

    So they busted out the old terrorist chesnut and "Think of the children?" All they needed was to add something about immorality (implying Christian morality), and they would have had a perfect score.

    1. Re:They're going for the high score! by miskatonic+alumnus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bird flu. Don't forget the bird flu.

  6. Security of what? by LoudMusic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    File Sharing -- Harmful to Children and a Threat to National Security

    [snip] ... Homeland Security report that government workers had installed file-sharing programs that accessed classified information without their knowledge. File sharing? Sounds like ignorance about security is the real threat. And they're in charge of security? We are so fucked.
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    1. Re:Security of what? by synjck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it's analogous to say "guns are a threat to national security" or "airplanes are a threat to national security."

      as always, personal responsibility is brushed aside in the name of hype.

  7. Not the real issue.... by cyberbob2351 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    file-sharing software could be to blame for government workers who expose sensitive data and jeopardize national security after downloading free music on the job

    It sounds like the network administrators in said "governmental offices" should take the precautions neccessary to police the bandwidth. Furthermore, any environment in which said p2p applications are capable of leaking any private information need to be under closer scrutiny.

    Don't blame the p2p networks for the actions and negligence of those in control of their own computer infrastructure.

    A decade ago, the idea that copyright infringement could become a threat to national security would have seemed implausible. Now, it is a sad reality.

    Since when is copyright infringement, and not massively-propagating worms and keyloggers, the problem for national security. The latter causes FAR more breeches of personal identity information and credentials.

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  8. Classified info by Original+Replica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The threat to national security is not the file sharing software it's the asshats who have access to classifed documents,who are installing Kazaa on their government owned work computers. You could just as likely leave a few thumbdrives with trojans sitting around where these guys have lunch.

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  9. Class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > Wow, I'm really bored today.

    If you produce that level of satire as a result, please be bored more often ;-)

  10. Not only that..... by Stanislav_J · · Score: 5, Funny

    Also may cause dizziness, insomnia, psoraisis, and the Creeping Crimean Crud.

    The cause of the fall of the Roman Empire? File sharing.

    JFK's assassins? File sharers.

    Besides, file sharing isn't mentioned in the Bible, so it must be forbidden by God.

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    1. Re:Not only that..... by Haeleth · · Score: 5, Funny

      Besides, file sharing isn't mentioned in the Bible, so it must be forbidden by God.
      Well, there's all that stuff about "render unto seeders"... :P

      (And the Feeding of the N-thousand, of course; if Jesus is going to go round making thousands of unauthorized copies of someone else's bread, he can hardly send you to hell for sharing a few tracks, now, can he?)
  11. Chicken Little by macdaddy357 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
    Oh, and while we're at it, Wolf! Woooooooooooooolf!

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  12. Re:Paper -- also Harmful to Children etc. by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 4, Funny

    Recently, Paper has also been called into question.

    If you take a heavy-stock piece of high quality paper, fold it into quarters, grasp the edges, and slam your arm down to force air through the middle flap, you can create a sound that will stop an airport in its tracks.

    The Etch-A-Sketch brand has been revived and is being offered as a paper-replacement tool, but Microsoft has expressed doubt that the One Etch-a-Sketch Per Child program will work.

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  13. There's no patch for human stupidity by cl191 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Department of Homeland Security report that government workers had installed file-sharing programs that accessed classified information without their knowledge."
    How about changing the title to: Human Stupidity-a Threat to National Security?

  14. Threat to our children? Did you read the summary? by StewedSquirrel · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This is farking hillarious!!!!

    They say that file sharing is a "threat to our children", but did you read WHY?

    * that peer-to-peer networks could manipulate sites so children violate copyright laws more frequently than adults, exposing those children to copyright lawsuits and, in turn, make those who protect their copyrighted material appear antagonistic,


    So... it's file sharing's fault that the RIAA looks like profiteering litigious bastards for suing a dozen teenage kids. Somehow, file sharing made them do it

    I can't believe I just read that.

    gah.

    I'm moving to the Czech Republic or something.

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  15. priceless by cyberbob2351 · · Score: 5, Funny
    • Windows XP SP2 - $83
    • Mac Tiger OSX - $129
    • Half life 2 - $29.99
    • 20Gb of music - ~$2000
    • Getting all of the above with p2p - Free
    • Murdering children and bringing to a halt the fabric of modern society - Priceless
    • ?????
    • Profit!
    For this and everything else, there's Bittorrent
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  16. Harmful to children by phorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which is to say that, of course, music and movies depicting or narrating gangbangers pimping hoes, killing rivals/cops/etc, and committing various other crimes are not harmful to children.

    Hmmm... well at least their glass houses get a lot of light.

  17. Hmmm... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wouldn't it be better to say:

    "Government Employees - A Threat to Children and National Security"

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  18. Re:Paper -- also Harmful to Children etc. by cyberbob2351 · · Score: 5, Funny
    But we cannot get rid of paper, for paper beats rock, and rocks are the BIGGEST concern.

    We need to abandon earth and become a space-faring civilization - otherwise our children's children will be plagued by potential weapons (rocks) to use against one another.

    I call for a disbanding of the NRA (The national rock association)

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  19. When you pirate MP3s, you're downloading COMMUNISM by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet.

    The "When you pirate MP3s, you're downloading COMMUNISM!" poster dates back to 2000; it only took us seven years to go from wacky parody to grim reality.

  20. Re:children by rucs_hack · · Score: 4, Funny

    your comment has been deemed harmful to children and kittens.

    Do not leave your house, place your hands on the wall and wait, a mind correction team will be with you shortly...

  21. Re:Whereas: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Software merely takes a generalized machine and turns it
    > into a specialized machine. Clearly a unique specialized
    > machine should be patentable.

    No the general purpose machine is the patentable invention. Specific information (ie: software) should be protected by copyright. Pure software is not patentable and all software is pure software.

  22. Re:bogus and reality check by drDugan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I disagree. Information is far more valuable that physical resources. With the right information, we know which trees grow food, how and where to grow them, and when and how to harvest them, also which plants grow (just like weeds) that we can weave and wear, and how to build the best structures with available materials. Rinse and repeat for most all of the physical resources people need.

    The choice between ignorance and tyranny is a false choice, provided by those who wish to control your access to information in order to take money and energy from you.

    I strongly disagree with the implication that just because some information has "entertainment" value that it is of a lower class or less important than other information. Who are you to judge what someone else values and why? You might consider reading more about myths and how they have evolved over time - and learn how stories are the transport layer for the structure of civilizations. Do you think people who make movies do so only to distract us from our "more important" business pursuits? Wow.

  23. Give every reason but the real one, as usual by retrosteve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What the propagandists are trying not to say is simply this:

    "The US economy was once based on manufacturing. Our cars and buildings and aeroplanes and weapons were the best you could buy, and people bought them and America prospered. Lately people have stopped buying all those things, and we no longer manufacture anything for export but movies, music, and software.

    Our economy has gone from world-leading to "service-based" in just a few decades, and our only hope of exporting something that people might want to buy is in movies, music and software. Unfortunately, all those things are now digital, and easily copied millions of times for free. Even more unfortunately, the more we try to protect our eroding export figures with DRM and IP enforcement, the more we realize that other countries don't have to play by the rules we make up. And it's those other countries that count most.

    So it's time for education. Or perhaps Re-education. Time to teach everyone that, despite our own flagrant disregard for the Berne conventions and international IP rights from 1886 up until 1989 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_convention), it's vital that the world now all fall into the US party line on IP enforcement and DRM. And if we can't do it with WTO, IMF, WIPO, and Most Favored Nation status, we'll do it with propaganda.

    File sharing kills babies! File sharing promotes pedophilia! File sharing is communist and fascist and Saddam-loving! File sharing destroys family values and promotes the gay agenda!

    I've wanted to say this for a long time.

  24. Thomas D. Sydnor by ajakk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does it bother anyone that the lead author of this report is Thomas D. Sydnor II? Before joining the USPTO, he was an attorney at Arnold & Porter, the RIAA's main outside law firm. While at Arnold & Porter, he litigated patent and copyright cases. I have no clue whether he actually did work for the RIAA, but the contacts are interesting.

  25. Re:Paper -- also Harmful to Children etc. by omeomi · · Score: 4, Funny

    But we cannot get rid of paper, for paper beats rock, and rocks are the BIGGEST concern.

    Not true! You can bring a rock on an airplane, but try boarding with a pair of scissors...

  26. Re:Whereas: by HermMunster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Patent Office is either way off its rocker and/or it is not a far stretch to understand that a company that controls your computer, the content, the OS and that of 90% of the rest of the world, would make it also a threat to National Security and the security of every other nation on the planet. Microsoft with Vista can turn off your ability to use the computer. Through tools like WGA and WGN it can monitor your computer and your use. Since there is no competition out there to give consumers and government a choice then we are all bound to something that is unprecedented in the history of the world. The OS. No other time in the history of the world has one company held such influence on the lives of virtually everyone in the world in the same way.

    To say that file sharing allows for children to have access to this or that harmful content, and be subject to other bad things, and to say that files can be put at risk and therefore risk the national security, it would not be a far stretch to understand that to allow one company to essentially enter every computer (as the computer is an extension of your home/business) as they are able to enter your home and business to search, inventory, and accuse (and ultimately with Vista shut down your home/business) then that company and it's product could be considered a threat to national security. P2P is not used solely by children and since it can be useful in business and government it is a lesser threat than that posed by one company having control of the computers of the world. You have unprecedented control and access which creates a major possibility of security threats, if not primarily by Microsoft then by some enterprising vicious terrorist hoping to exploit Microsoft's buggy OSes and buggy spy tools.

    You can't go from P2P and the concept of access without going to Windows and WGA/WGN. Whatever applies to the concept of access over the Internet via P2P also extends to any product that could be used to yield the same type of invasive behavior that leads to stealing trade/national secrets be it by a controlling monopoly previously convicted in numerous nations of the world or by someone attempting to exploit the fact that exploits to tools like WGA/WGN could present unprecedented access to terrorists and the governments of other rogue nations.

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  27. IN SOVIET RUSSIA by EvilSporkMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    national security threatens you!

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  28. Users by kingturkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    File sharing isn't a threat to national security, stupid government employees that install file sharing programs on work computers and then make the shared folder one that contains important documents are a threat to national security.