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Friends Swap Twitters, and Frustration

WSJdpatton writes "The growth of services like Twitter and Dodgeball, which tie together instant messaging, social networking and wireless communication, elicits mixed feelings in the technology-savvy people who have been their early adopters. Fans say they are a good way to keep in touch with busy friends. But some users are starting to feel 'too' connected, as they grapple with check-in messages at odd hours, higher cellphone bills and the need to tell acquaintances to stop announcing what they're having for dinner."

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  1. Charged for a text? by xaxa · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wait... you get *charged* to receive an SMS message in the USA?

    1. Re:Charged for a text? by omeomi · · Score: 4, Funny

      With all the taxable profit that generates it's hard to believe the USA still has a federal debt [google.com], isn't it?

      Yes, we were all surprised to learn that taxes from SMS messages profit didn't cover the cost of running the entire federal government, plus our elective wars. Who could have guessed...

    2. Re:Charged for a text? by Nirvelli · · Score: 3, Insightful

      His point:

      U.S. wireless companies must make loads of profit, if they are even charging every time you RECEIVE text messages.

      The profits made all over the country by these big companies should be taxed. Since they make tons of profit, the government should be getting a whole lot of taxes from these big companies.

      If the government gets so much money from these companies, shouldn't the working class have to pay less?
      Shouldn't the deficit be going away?


      (at least, I think that is what he meant.)

    3. Re:Charged for a text? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes all the Wireless carriers gleefully charge extra for recieving SMS messages. The level of corperate greed here on the wireless networks is unparalleled elsewhere in the world.

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    4. Re:Charged for a text? by smeagols_ghost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hint :

      People shouldn't be charged for something they don't control.

      If my ip allocation gets ddos'ed i don't get charged, i didn't request that traffic.

      I have a friend who likes sending jokes by sms, or mms i don't want to get charged for that,

      Sender pays is the only fair way

  2. Prior art by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 2, Insightful
    IRC? IM? Oh wait... this is cellular telephone. Maybe they're infringing on pay-per-post IRC proposals.

    It sounds like the people interviewed in the article are all newbs:

    "I probably started removing people the first week," said Ryan Irelan, 31, a Web developer in Raleigh, N.C., who began using Twitter last year. "This constant dinging of updates," he added, "it really just became totally overwhelming. I don't see how anyone could get anything done." ICQ "Uh-oh!"

    Twitter now hosts more than 30,000 posts a day and has more than 50,000 users, according to Twitter founder Jack Dorsey. The service is appealing because of its simplicity, said the 30-year old, who formerly worked as a software engineer at a courier-dispatch service. "You find a lot of connection in just the simplest, most mundane updates from your friends," he said. IRC

    Twitter doesn't charge users for the service, though he said it may charge for additional features in the future. Get them hooked, then charge. It's like crack.

    "I'm a little annoyed by some of these newbies," said Tara Hunt, a 33-year-old marketer in San Francisco...She removed him (Mr. Scoble) from the list of people whose posts she follows, turned off by his frequent notes about the service itself. "He Twittered about Twitter," she said. That'll teach her to friend people who seem "neat" at first sight.

    Eric Meyer also had to rethink his online network after experiencing what he calls a "Twitter storm." He and friends found themselves receiving 30 to 40 posts a day from one person musing about what to have for dinner and commercials spotted on television Definitely a newb.

    "I've blocked people that, say, signed up and just added me because we were acquaintances," he said. "I guess they liked me more than I liked them, and I didn't care to hear about them that frequently." That's why I like the journals on Slashdot. They don't get force-fed to anyone.

    "We get some people who get very chatty," said Dodgeball co-founder Dennis Crowley Tell me they didn't rely on that for the "we'll start charging you later" approach.
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    1. Re:Prior art by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm surprised that many web sites are given venture capital money and later, bought out. Just no good way to capitalize on a service that other people give away free You've just touched on the social psychology behind a pyramid scheme.

      Everyone contributes, only a few profit. Lots of that venture capital came from tax money, lots more came from 401(k) investments where the people investing only knew their investments as conglomerate funds.

      Pretty sad that it's allowed to continue this way.
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  3. What's the target market? by Original+Replica · · Score: 4, Funny

    This sounds great for tweens and teens, they frequently love to be super up to date with every aspect of their friends lives, and they don't usually pay their own phone bills. For the rest of us, this may be "TMI 2.0"

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    1. Re:What's the target market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      RTFA. The interviewees are in their 30s. So sad.

  4. Swapping twitters?? by dedazo · · Score: 5, Funny

    That sounds... not hygienic.

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  5. Chaff by TodMinuit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That is why any "push" technology sucks: You get a lot of chaff and very little wheat.

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  6. Re:What's for dinner? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I know you can "only be young once, but you can be immature forever", however why do people want to be 15 year old girls for the rest of their lives?

    Being a teenager once was quite enough, thank you.

    And I'll take that pony now.

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  7. Raises hand by L.+VeGas · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't even imagine using these kind of services. It would drive me bananas. I avoided getting a cell phone for years because I didn't want to be always available. I don't instant message, and I use SMS only to receive appointment reminders.

    And the fact that I have no social life or friends has absolutely nothing to do with it.

    1. Re:Raises hand by Proofof.+Chaos · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm always wondering WTF these people did 10 or 11 years ago when cellphones were strictly for businessmen and gadget nerds?
      They had to put up with a horrible mental disorder called thinking. You younger people may not have heard of this, but many of us were afflicted with it in the past. For those of you unfamiliar, imagine being in a waiting room with no cell phone, not even a magazine to read, and no one but strangers around you. At first you try to occupy your mind by examining the pattern on the carpet, but slowly -and no matter how hard you try, you can't help it- your mind will start to wander. You will start to have the most unnerving thoughts. It starts with things that aren't too bad like "what am I going to have for dinner," but will escalate to things like "I wonder what it would be like to go out with that girl over there," or "why did we invade Iraq." These thoughts will leave you very uncomfortable because there is no way to know the answer to them for sure. Essentially, "thinking" leads to more thinking, and just pushes you closer to insanity. And if you think you can avoid the problem by talking to the person next to you, think again. Just imagine trying to talk to someone you don't know. You have no idea how they will react to what you say (unlike your friends and family, whose responses are very predictable). I, for one, am so glad I have a cell phone to help preent the onset of insanity.
  8. Re:I JUST DUMPED A HUGE TURD by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    > iot waws smellky and brown.

    Once upon a time, a post that would have been a troll, or maybe the Subject: line in a spam sent on behalf of a coprophagy fetish site.

    But today, thanks to Shitter, (a new Web 2.0 mashup based on Twitter API), turds of a feather can flock together, for only $0.10 per SMS received.

    Yes, now you too can always know what sorts of shit your friends are pumping out through the Intertubes. For the past three weeks, people have joined the crowds on Shitter.com, a site that invites everyone to answer the question: "What are you dumping?"

    "I didn't get it at first," said the Goatse Guy. "How much information do I really need to let the world know about me?", but with the demise of ratemypoop.com (a Web 1.0 predecessor to the fecal networking ecosystem), "I've been getting dozen or more 'flushes' a day" - quick, as-they-happen updates to friends who had chosen to link to him through the service. Topics ranged from the effects of lunch (a bowl of corn chowder, a bowl of chili, or a bag of Olestra-based nachos) to work annoyances (a nearby co-worker in an adjacent stall who made the most annoying sounds while wiping his ass). Goatse sends flushes from his office and home computers, and uses his cellphone to send posts from the back woods or even the rank washrooms of a bar at happy hour. "It became addicting very quickly," he said...

    Shitter's Mr. Horsey said his company is fine-tuning the service so that members can specify groups of friends whose flushes they receive, though he declined to say when the new features would be available. He defended the site's often scatalogical content. "Everyone says Shitter's completely useless, I don't want all this information," he said. "We check in later, and they're complete addicts."

    Despite her gripe with Mr. Goatse's flushes, Helena Handbasket said she's only unsubscribed from a few other people's bowls. She doesn't even mind the occasional dinner Shittering, she said. "I'm actually kind of interested in what people have been eating."

  9. Re:What's for dinner? by alamandrax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back in my day, we called it netiquette. Damn kids. *Swipes at them with his Newton*.

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  10. Re:What i would like by focitrixilous+P · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What i would like is some kind of unified interface for communication.

    I was thinking about this while in the shower the other day.
    It would be pretty nice (probably not to privacy zealots who don't allow cookies and such) to have one account which routs all forms of communication to you.
    For example, instead of giving each person or organization that needs to send you mail your current address you just give them a meta-address and the mail gets routed to you whenever you change your physical address.
    And you could have nifty features like aliases that are opaque to the sender, blacklisting, setting up certain media to trigger other media..

    That's all i can think of at the moment. And we will call this new technology, Electronic Mail!

    Too long. How about...

    EMAIL!

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  11. While being a teen... by Romwell · · Score: 2

    ..I often turn my ICQ/Skype off, and frequently have my status as "invisible". And quite a few of my friends do the same thing. So either we are sociopaths, or you need to be a special kind of 'teen' (thir-teen?) to actually like being constantly told about who's doing what useless thing (that's why people didn't like Facebook Feeds). Anyway, as far as live communication pwns everything else, all those services are doomed, just take a look at MySpace. Oh wait...

  12. Re:What's for dinner? by Rodness · · Score: 5, Funny

    OMG Ponies!!!!11

    (sorry, just couldn't help it :P)

  13. The future by Joebert · · Score: 4, Funny

    At this rate, when we're all in our 80s, our colons will be sending instant messages to our brains reminding us not to shit all over ourselves.

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    1. Re:The future by maxume · · Score: 2, Funny

      Flip that, reverse it.

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  14. Mobile updates are *optional*! by salimma · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Twitter lets you turn off phone notification completely, or just between certain hours of the day. I personally just check the updates online, or through IM.

    Also, Red Hat's Mugshot service lets you aggregate disparate social networking services and get them from a single interface. Makes it much less of a hassle to keep track of friends in various networks.

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  15. Re:IRC by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just get a faster P4 computer. It will compile you program in no time flat while boiling your tomato sauce. Just turn the case on it's side, take the heat sink off and put the pot right on the processor. I just love it when convergence works.

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  16. Away message: Out to dinner by pizzach · · Score: 2

    I'll be back in 5 minutes. But feel free to leave a message.

    P.S. Mary, I love you. ;-D lol1!111

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  17. Ignorance (n) The state or fact of being ignora... by encoderer · · Score: 2

    There's always some "L33T" dude on here that scoffs that ANYONE with ANY SENSE would EVER use myspace.

    You're just announcing your ignorance to the world.

    For better or worse, Myspace is incredibly huge. It's used by tens of millions of people every day. Teenagers? Yes. But also professionals. Adults like you and I that find a lot of value in the way it lets them keep connected with their friends and acquaintances.

    Yes, there are ignorant people on MySpace. But there's ignorant people on Slashdot. And even if MySpace is only for the immature and childish, watching you spread a moronic stereotype makes me think that you would fit right in.

  18. Stay Connected? by Jekler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What the hell is with this social networking crap? I haven't even talked to my best friend in 3 days. I've gone months without talking to him, for no particular reason than I just didn't have anything of substance to say. People don't need to be updated on what's going on from a moment to moment basis. If my life was that fucking exciting, Discovery would make a documentary about me.

    I think this whole period of the internet will be remembered in a decade as another stupid idea up there with refreshing web page chat room/message boards, web pages embedded with ICQ contact panels and GOTO.com search boxes, and web rings. Useless chaff.

    1. Re:Stay Connected? by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I haven't even talked to my best friend in 3 days. I've gone months without talking to him, for no particular reason than I just didn't have anything of substance to say.
      Did you become best friends with the guy by not talking to him for months at a time?

      I doubt it.
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    2. Re:Stay Connected? by Jekler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would say we became friends by not talking for long periods of time. Back when we were teenagers, we only talked on Thursday nights. That just meant we looked forward to meeting up instead of it being just another day.

      I don't think constant communication fosters strong friendships, because you have little time to reflect on the importance of your relationship with them, and so little changes in a single day that the nature of the relationship becomes shallow and trivial. As they say, absence makes the heart grow fonder.

      Maybe only talking a few dozen times a year is a little too infrequent for most people. But checking in daily or even hourly (with something like Twitter) would seem more like a status report for a job rather than like the roots of a deep and meaningful friendship.

  19. Gaim, email forwarding. by twitter · · Score: 2, Informative

    Gaim unites your IM world. Email forwarding, such as provided by the free software foundation, routes your email to whatever friendly name your ISP gave you. Or you could just give them a gmail address.

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  20. Re:What's for dinner? by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Even if it wasn't a new service & the etiquette was still sortof working itself out.... I believe it might fall victim to the Eternal September which plagued Usenet.

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  21. Re:Once again... by Iron+Condor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here's a simple test: provide us with a pointer to a couple aesthetically pleasing pages at myspace.

    I'm open to the possibility that they exist.

    Show me.

    If you can't, then the "silly over-generalization and stereotype" is just simply the plain truth.

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