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Magnetic Trunk Could Collect Moon Dust

Matthew Sparkes writes "Astronauts living on the Moon will need lots of water, oxygen and other resources that can be extracted from the lunar soil. Collecting this in a mechanical way could throw up lots of dust that could harm equipment and astronauts health, as well as ruining the view. The answer may be to create a flexible tube with magnetic coils spaced at regular intervals along its length that could suck up the iron-heavy dust. The research was presented on Thursday at the Lunar and Planetary Society Conference in Houston, Texas. Another study suggests burying lunar habitats with packaged moon dust could help regulate their temperature. On the airless Moon, the surface bakes to over 100 Celsius during the day and plunges to a frigid -150 C at night."

82 comments

  1. Or do both by Ikyaat · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you built the walls of the habitats with the magnetic coils then they would attract the dust and bury themselves, solving both the dust and the thermal regulation problems in one go.

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    1. Re:Or do both by MattSparkes · · Score: 1, Funny

      Wouldn't that screw with instruments in the habitat? Also, any astronauts trying to leave and go do their experiments/play golf/drive around in a space buggy would stick to the outside of the dome.

    2. Re:Or do both by theStorminMormon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I know this is OT, but it just occurred to me for the first time that if the temperature varies regularly between 100C and -150C, than that must mean that the temperature is regularly around 22C, which is actually quite comfortable. It's just odd to think of the moon having a temperature of 22C at the surface, even if for only a brief time.

      Which makes me wonder - if you're standing at a specific place on the moon (or leave a thermometer there) how long would it be in the range of 20 - 25C in its plunge from 100 to -150 (or vice versa).

      Like I said - just weird to think of a comfortable temp on the moon even for only a brief period of time.

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    3. Re:Or do both by bberens · · Score: 1

      Obviously I'm just speculating because I don't have real lunar data to back me up but I'd imagine that the 'window of opportunity' in decent temperatures would be in the seconds. Improperly assume that the time it takes for the sun to come over the horizon to 'noon' is ~6 hours like on earth. That means in 6 hours there's a net temperature changes of roughly 250C. Averaged out, that's just under 0.7C difference per minute. With that estimate in mind it would be in the range of 20-25C for about 7 minutes.

      Given the dramatically less dense atmosphere of the moon, that's probably a gross overestimation of how long it would take to change the air/surface temperature once those solar rays started hitting you directly. Unlike the earth, there's not a ton of water molecules and ozone and such absorbing/reflecting/refracting most of that energy away.

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    4. Re:Or do both by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

      can't see why that wouldn't work, provided (and this also answers a question someone else asked of your post) that the coils are turned off once the dust has collected.

      Some way of fixing the dust in place would be needed, but there are plenty of foams well suited to that sort of job. I say foams because by starting as a semi liquid they would gain better coverage over the dust.

    5. Re:Or do both by AI0867 · · Score: 1

      However, the moon does not have a 24 hour rotation cycle. It takes one (lunar) month for it to circle the earth, and as I'm sure you've noticed, the same side stays towards us all the time as well, meaning it also takes a lunar month for it to rotate around it's axis.

      In other words, on the moon, a day equals a month, so you have only two occasions of "comfortable" temperature per month. Also, due to the lack of atmosphere, these transitions aren't going to take days. There is no atmosphere to warm up, just a layer of dust and a very suddenly increasing amount of infra-red radiation.

    6. Re:Or do both by Rob+Carr · · Score: 2, Informative
      If you look at the equation for the temperature of a planet, it's:

      Ts*(Rs/2D)^.5=Tb

      where Ts is the temperature of the sun, Tb the temperature of the body you're concerned with (both temperatures in an absolute scale), Rs is the radius of the sun, and D is the distance to the sun. If you don't know what 2, ^ and .5 mean, please go away.

      You'd think temperature would be inversely related to the square of the distance, but temperature based on radiation is a fourth-power function, so when you actually grind through everything, temperature is related to the inverse square root, not the square.

      In other words, the Moon should have the same average temperature as the Earth. It's actually a bit lower, because Earth is warmed by radioactive decay in the Earth's interior, greenhouse gases and there's cloud effects and stuff.

      The people working on the lunar habitats estimate the temperature would actually be about -22C. That's cold, but stable. Designing equipment to keep the temperature livable with the outside being a constant -22C is far easier than trying to deal with the wild fluctuations.

      BTW: If you want to have some fun, assume that temperature rises on Pluto and Titan are the result of changes in solar output that are causing global warming on Earth. Plug in the numbers and ask what increase in solar temperature would correspond to that -- and then ask what the change in Earth temperature would be. Oopsie.

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    7. Re:Or do both by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Why? there is no wind, and the moon is not geologically active. I would think a pile of dust would remain a pile of dust until something hit it.

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    8. Re:Or do both by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

      the slightest impact from something dropped or moved by an astronout would cause a cloud of dust that could be a real pain. Much better to seal it

    9. Re:Or do both by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's when you microwave it. Look it up... Moon dust melts in a microwave oven faster than a cup of water boils.

    10. Re:Or do both by solitas · · Score: 1

      Remember though: the 'cloud' wouldn't travel too far since the particles wouldn't stay suspended (for lack of air), and would tend to move pretty much laterally rather than vertically if something was dropped; and even then not with much energy. Kicking dust would be about the same - it's kind of hard to accidentally kick dirt 'up' with much force.

      Did you ever see any of the Apollo surface footage? Even the particles in the 'rooster tails' kicked-up by the Lunar Roving vehicles used by Apollos 14/15/16 (http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/spa ce_level2/apollo15_rover.html) behaved just as the laws of ballistics prove and didn't 'hang' too long.

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  2. moon dust? by DeadDarwin · · Score: 1

    just put carpets around it...how much is it? 2$ a sq foot here? and vacuum ones in a while...

    1. Re:moon dust? by Zeek40 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, the carpet's cheap, but shipping rates to the moon are a bit steep.

  3. Moon junk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    So the astronomers like a little junk in the magnetic trunk?

  4. Re:Or... by Dance_Dance_Karnov · · Score: 1

    Because we are completely incapable of doing more than one thing at a time. Amirite?

  5. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But really... I have never been very adventurous.

    Evidently.

  6. Just get TV up there by Brad1138 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Mine has always collected a lot of dust.

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  7. Moonba by Radon360 · · Score: 3, Funny

    So, will the astronauts keep their base clean using autonomous robotic, magnetic vacuum cleaners called Moonbas?

    1. Re:Moonba by Machina+Fortuno · · Score: 1

      Only to compete with the Swiffer: Moonjet Edition.

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    2. Re:Moonba by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 1

      Why autonomous? Instead of trying to making complex AI-enabled cleaners, just hook up a grad student via remote control to each one. It's not like you'd need to hire undocumented workers from Mexico to clean house on the moon. You'd have PhD's clamoring for the honor.

    3. Re:Moonba by value_added · · Score: 1

      So, will the astronauts keep their base clean using autonomous robotic, magnetic vacuum cleaners called Moonbas?

      Even better, why not send up a Super Model?

    4. Re:Moonba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck, why not set it up with scoreboards and fancy graphics? Sell it to the gamer man-boys for $15 a month, the project would fund itself.

  8. How the hell? by Thaelon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Collecting this in a mechanical way could throw up lots of dust that could harm equipment and astronauts health, as well as ruining the view.

    How the hell is this going to be a problem - especially the part about ruining the view - when dust on the moon falls back to the ground at the same speed as a dropped hammer.
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    1. Re:How the hell? by MattSparkes · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The view part was a joke, but I'm obviously not as funny as I thought I was.

    2. Re:How the hell? by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 2

      Presumably, and this is just my uninformed guess, but:
      I don't think any seriously-considered proposals for permanent moon bases involve astronauts remaining in spacesuits the entire time. We'd probably want to pressurize [fill with air] a whole area, for example a domed area on the surface or a tunnel below the surface.

      My house has its own floor, but I still track dirt in, and it travels well enough even with 1 whole g pulling it down.

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    3. Re:How the hell? by oni · · Score: 3, Insightful

      dust on the moon falls back to the ground at the same speed as a dropped hammer

      yes but you're missing an important part - the moon's gravity is so weak, you could probably throw a hammer and put it into orbit, because the speed of a dropped hammer is actually pretty low.

      So the concern is that some mechanical process, maybe a fast spinning wheel or maybe the use of explosives, will actually put dust grains into orbit. It turns out, the moon already has a very thin atmosphere:

      http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~soper/Moon/atmosphere.htm l

      composed of a few atoms that are basically in orbit. So the point is, it is possible to create a dust atmosphere on the moon. We want to be careful when we start mining or whatever. We don't want to make that atmosphere significantly worse, because that dust will gum up machines.

    4. Re:How the hell? by Control+Group · · Score: 4, Informative

      you could probably throw a hammer and put it into orbit, because the speed of a dropped hammer is actually pretty low

      I kind of doubt it. For a circular orbit at a distance of 1km above the lunar surface, the velocity of the hammer would have to be ~1500m/s. That's more than 3,000 mph/5,400 kph. That'd be a hell of a toss.

      Unless, of course, my math is wrong, which is possible - but escape velocity with respect to lunar gravity from the surface of the moon is ~2.5km/s, so the number passes the smell test.

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    5. Re:How the hell? by oni · · Score: 1

      no, you're right. A human couldn't throw a hammer and put it into orbit.

      But the concern about dust is (I think) as I stated.

    6. Re:How the hell? by mpe · · Score: 1

      yes but you're missing an important part - the moon's gravity is so weak, you could probably throw a hammer and put it into orbit, because the speed of a dropped hammer is actually pretty low.

      Lunar gravity isn't that low. Though there certainly are bodies where throwing a tool (or rock) means that there is a good chance putting it into an orbit which is likely to result in it hitting you.

    7. Re:How the hell? by mpe · · Score: 2, Informative

      I kind of doubt it. For a circular orbit at a distance of 1km above the lunar surface, the velocity of the hammer would have to be ~1500m/s. That's more than 3,000 mph/5,400 kph. That'd be a hell of a toss.

      Even if it didn't hit anything there's no way that kind of orbit would be remotley stable. Whilst The Moon does not have any appreciable atmosphere it does have mascons, which means you cannot treat it's gravity as being from a point source so close to the surface.

    8. Re:How the hell? by Control+Group · · Score: 1, Funny

      In point of fact, I agree with you - but I just couldn't resist the temptation to do a bit of orbital math. And, of course, I'm a pedantic jackass.

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    9. Re:How the hell? by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      Thats because even on one g, earth has AIR.
      And the moon doesnt. Thus all dust particles just parabola back to the ground.

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    10. Re:How the hell? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      My house has its own floor, but I still track dirt in, and it travels well enough even with 1 whole g pulling it down.

      A) Your house has a floor, but it doesn't have a re-pressurization chamber, where you could wash off and/or filter out any dust/dirt.

      B) Dust travels well on earth because of the heavy atmosphere. Fish "travel well enough" in water, but take away their heavy water atmosphere, and suddenly they fall like a rock.

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    11. Re:How the hell? by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      To A: I had considered that one would do their best to clean off moon dust when re-pressurizing, but I also do my best to brush off my shoes and jacket when entering my house. I'd guess there's a catch-22 here: You could vacuum it up before turning on the air so that none of the dust will get into the air.. but of course you need air for the vacuum to do anything (vacuum + vacuum = vacuum, not suction)

      To B: I don't see how that applies. Are you saying Moon Dust is too heavy for normal air? That may be. As I said, I am not informed. I figured nobody would be making a fuss unless moon dust, once in the air, was a bad thing.

      Everyone /tries/ to keep things clean.

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    12. Re:How the hell? by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      Yes, but: I don't think any seriously-considered proposals for permanent moon bases involve astronauts remaining in spacesuits the entire time.

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    13. Re:How the hell? by suitti · · Score: 1

      Electrostatics. Moon dust gets everywhere and sticks. Drop a hammer, and it actually falls.

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    14. Re:How the hell? by khallow · · Score: 1

      So the concern is that some mechanical process, maybe a fast spinning wheel or maybe the use of explosives, will actually put dust grains into orbit. It turns out, the moon already has a very thin atmosphere:

      If it's not escape velocity, then the orbit will intersect the Moon. Hence your dust problem lasts no longer than one orbit. On the Moon, escape velocity is 2.4 km/s. Some types of explosives would be able to generate motion that fast. I can see a short term problem when that dust comes down, but not a long term one.
    15. Re:How the hell? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      I also do my best to brush off my shoes and jacket when entering my house.

      This is not remotely comparable. I'm sure you don't lock yourself in an air-tight room for an hour, with multi-million dollar cleaning equipment.

      You could vacuum it up before turning on the air so that none of the dust will get into the air.. but of course you need air for the vacuum to do anything

      I didn't suggest a vacuum, I suggested washing.

      Are you saying Moon Dust is too heavy for normal air?

      No, I was referring to dust in a vacuum.
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  9. Re:Or... by j235 · · Score: 1

    Yes, astronauts should be focused on solving world hunger and curing AIDS in Africa, and not this silly space travel stuff they were trained for.

  10. Pave the moon! by Tim+the+Gecko · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's an interesting story on the BBC site. Apparently you can microwave the lunar dust and get it to fuse together. Robots could prepare the surface before the humans arrive and make it safer.

    1. Re:Pave the moon! by Ponga · · Score: 1

      ...
      Why the hell not! In the process, we could start some freeway projects, put up several strip malls and start a few master planned communities! We'll feel right at home up there!!1!

  11. Re:Or... by Mizled · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We could not go to the moon.

    Have you been living under a rock or are you just completely retarded?

    AFAIK We've been to the moon...several times...Whoever modded you "Interesting" is a moron. I would much rather see us spend money on things like this than billions of dollars invading other countries for oil. *cough* Iraq War *cough*

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  12. Radioactive? by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

    I can't find any references to lunar regolith being radioactive.

  13. Computers by cyberbob2351 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why not just build large datacenters on the moon?

    Seriously, we can power it all with solar power, and host all of our websites there. The lag isn't so bad (rougly 2 seconds to get a packet back at lightspeed). The heat from the machines could be used to warm up habitable spaces in the shade.

    Best yet, all those computers will just soak up the dust like a magnet. Or, perhaps they could just launch thousands of those air dust cans with the mission...

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    1. Re:Computers by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why not just build large datacenters on the moon?
      Is there a server version of Vista? If so, that'll resolve the problem of how to suck in a vacuum.
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    2. Re:Computers by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      That would work, if you didn't mind 14 days of downtime due to a solar power outtage.

      If you want solar powered servers, I'd stick them at a Lagrange point (L4 or L5). Stable with an unimpeded view of the sun.

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    3. Re:Computers by maxume · · Score: 1

      If it has to 'make sense', why not use the energy used to put stuff into orbit to power the datacenter for many, many years and avoid the hassle of having to maintain a global network just to maintain communications?

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    4. Re:Computers by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      <Professor Frink Voice>Well I'm sure you could, theoretically, NOT *flavin* launch a data center into space. *Muhaivin*</Professor Frink Voice>

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  14. Series of tubes? by youthoftoday · · Score: 1

    That looks a lot like a series of tubes to me. Forget moon dust. You can download entire books.

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    1. Re:Series of tubes? by haakondahl · · Score: 1

      ...and once again in contrast to a bunch of trucks. The Timeless Debate...

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  15. And 500,000 years ago... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We could not go to the savannah. Maybe focus on... problems up in the trees? Just a thought...

    I can't imagine wanting to be anywhere that has a seasonal variation, large predators, and no physical contact with other primates. But really... I have never been very likely to evolve.


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    1. Re:And 500,000 years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a lemur. I concentrate on grooming my fur and licking my bum.

  16. Lag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The lag isn't so bad (rougly 2 seconds to get a packet back at lightspeed).

    Dude... have you ever tried playing Unreal Tournament 2004 online? Even a half second (500ms) packet lag puts you at such a severe disadvantage that its very hard to hit any moving target. A 2 second lag would be totally unplayable.

    1. Re:Lag by mpe · · Score: 1

      Dude... have you ever tried playing Unreal Tournament 2004 online? Even a half second (500ms) packet lag puts you at such a severe disadvantage that its very hard to hit any moving target. A 2 second lag would be totally unplayable.

      Not really a problem with data archiving, espcially since the lag is going to be fairly constant. Even a fairly long time to wait for an ack isn't a bit problem if you intend sending a large amount of data in one go.

  17. Re:Or... by Yoozer · · Score: 1

    Perhaps you missed the word "or" in the subject?

    Doesn't make the argument valid, though - if the money wouldn't go to space it still wouldn't go to helping poor countries.

  18. Hmmm by Moby+Cock · · Score: 1

    A series of tubes that uses electrical energy. Ted Stevens wonders: Will it use IPv4 or IPv6?

    1. Re:Hmmm by emor8t · · Score: 1

      Of course it will use IPv11(ty), IPv6 takes care of all the IP address on earth, but what about the IP address for the aliens, and the albino brain chiggers...

  19. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Um, will magnets WORK on the moon?

  20. Offsite Backup by truckaxle · · Score: 1

    That could be marketed as Off-site Backup that is out of this world!

  21. Additional Advantages by Grashnak · · Score: 1

    answer may be to create a flexible tube with magnetic coils spaced at regular intervals along its length that could suck up the iron-heavy dust. Another advantage of these tubes is that the astronauts will be able to check their email and surf the internet.
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  22. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the motivation was oil, why did the US not simply trade with Saddam? He would have been really happy to sell lots of oil and then spend it to buy weapons from Europe.

    I am aware that 'the motivation was oil' has been repeated so many times that you may have quoted it just as an accepted fact, but it still does not make rational sense.

  23. The main problem.. by guruevi · · Score: 3, Informative

    The problem with moon dust is that it's very abrasive and erodes anything very quickly, another problem is that it's mainly electrically charged.

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  24. Re:Or... by east+coast · · Score: 0

    Perhaps you missed the word "or" in the subject?

    Granted, it's not too hard to figure it out but starting a sentence in the subject line and having it continue into the message is somewhat poor communications.

    Not to come off as a grammar nazi but subject lines should contain subjects, the body of the post should be complete thoughts. There should be a clear and definite line between the two.

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  25. This Vacuum Will Suck by WhoDaCapFits · · Score: 1

    Will a vacuum even work inside a vacuum?

    1. Re:This Vacuum Will Suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Will a vacuum even work inside a vacuum?"

      Only if it's plugged into the mainly electrically charged moon dust socket :/

  26. Don't Blow the Dust by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The lunar surface dust holds the records of millions, billions of years of impacts and other events at the lunar surface. Which in turn are records of object trajectories through the solar system, which leave fingerprints of their momentum in the 3D surface.

    We certainly should be harvesting as much of the local resources for exploration and human colonization. But we should do as much as we can with current science and technology (which is quite a lot) to read those records and preserve their info before destroying them.

    The Moon is a treasure among resources available to humans. Primarily for science, especially before we destroy the evidence. The mining and exploitation can wait a bit longer. That way, we can have both.

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    1. Re:Don't Blow the Dust by Jerf · · Score: 1

      Of all the crazy reasons I've heard not to colonize the moon, this is the second silliest.

      The information you're talking about is basically holographic. "Destroying" (a loaded term; "perturbing" would be a lot closer) even 1% of the Moon's surface couldn't even be said to destroy 1% of the useful data, because we just won't need it.

      Moreover, the Moon is not the only body in the Solar System that will have such a record.

      And this all assumes that information will ever actually be extractable and useful for any purpose, which is really a bit of a longshot anyhow.

      (What's the silliest reason? Disturbing the Moon's ecological balance, which manifests in any number of concerns about "despoiling" the Moon or any number of other loaded words that only have real content in the presence of life, which the Moon does not have.)

    2. Re:Don't Blow the Dust by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1
      Even sillier than the strawman you felt compelled to mention about Lunar ecology is the part where you totally ignored what I posted in that simple comment:

      We certainly should be harvesting as much of the local resources for exploration and human colonization.


      Why don't you try telling your story about "loaded terms" to someone whose post you actually read. So I can talk to someone else, someone reasonable about the unique records that should just be copied into data thoroughly before destroying it.
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    3. Re:Don't Blow the Dust by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Records of what, meteorite impacts? That have obscured other meteorite impacts? That as a whole, over the surface of the moon, just created a pretty much even distribution of impacts, so much so that studying one location is the same as studying almost any other location, not to mention that this is of very limited value anyway? Take a statistics course, kid.

    4. Re:Don't Blow the Dust by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      If it were an even distribution, then the moon wouldn't have any craters in its dust. And of course the different locations record different impacts, therefore different trajectories. Creating a 3D record about as "obscuured" as, say, the muddy bottom of Earth's oceans. Limited value to the ignorant, especially the conceited ignorant, who shouldn't be shouting about Lunar science policy just because they aren't good enough at actual science to have a real opinion.

      Statistics? Why don't you look into basic science, before you offer naive "helpful advice" that I already preempted decades ago. Try finding out about "noise reduction" before you shoot your mouth off again.

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    5. Re:Don't Blow the Dust by Jerf · · Score: 1

      If it were an even distribution, then the moon wouldn't have any craters in its dust.
      • Take a pan of mud, say, one foot by one foot. Start with a flat surface.
      • Start throwing stones in it.
      • When you throw the stones in any way that results in a smooth surface, then I will listen to your stupid claims to understand science better than we do.
      Your point is so stupid it boggles the mind. Try it. The craters will lay on top of each other, not cancel!

      When backyard science can contradict your claims, you should tone way down on the lectures. Why, one might think you had to resort to flames because you had nothing else to reach for...
    6. Re:Don't Blow the Dust by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Even if we had never sent expeditions to the Moon, we'd know that its surface isn't smooth.

      Your mind boggles so easily because you are both a rock-bottom fool, and from all the rattling from your loud mouth. While it's boggling you ignore that you started flaming me, after I posted something sensible that you disagreed with like an obnoxious jerk.

      Goodbye, dummy.

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  27. Prepare for an internet smackdown by oni · · Score: 2, Informative

    Or...
    We could not go to the moon. Maybe focus on... problems on earth? Just a thought...


    This cartoon illustrates the complete idiocy of that line of reasoning:

    http://www.wellingtongrey.net/miscellanea/archive/ 2006-12-18-why-go.html

    read it and then slink away in embarrassment over your shortsighted, ultimately suicidal philosophy. People who think the way you do are basically just selfish. You demand to be made comfortable even though it means the death of your species in the long run. Do us all a favor and just DIAF. The rest of us want a brighter future.

  28. Re:Or... by Garion+Maki · · Score: 1

    unless the laws of the universe drastically change when getting close to the moon... why wouldn't they work?
    the fact that the earth has it's own magnetic field has nothing to do with the smaller magnets on the surface of earth (and on the fridge) working or not.

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  29. lunar cycle by Tsaot · · Score: 1

    Discovery channel's study of the nerd:
    ...The sleeping pattern of the computer nerd is one of its own. Instead of following the pattern of the sun, he follows the pattern of the moon; this due largely to the fact that he can get better ping times of his home satellite dish, made out of a Pringles can and aluminum foil, than through conventional means...

  30. I am not a GeoThermal engineer... by Dareth · · Score: 1

    .... but I noticed that there are hot and cold sides to the moon. Shifting with a lunar day/night cycle.

    What would it take to harness the temp difference between these two sides to generate energy?

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    My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
  31. Re:Or... by PitaBred · · Score: 1

    And moving pictures aren't possible, faster than sound travel will make your vehicle disintegrate, all kinds of fun things that are impossible! Don't fall victim to these hoaxes!

  32. Re:Or... by Yoozer · · Score: 1

    I agree with your position on subject lines; I think just that the authors of short replies think filling in both makes the reply sort of redundant, since the subject usually summarizes it already.