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Companies Asked to Donate Unused Patents

Radon360 writes "There are countless patents that are promising but sitting idle, stowed in the corporate file room. In fact, about 90 percent to 95 percent of all patents are idle. Countless patents sit unused when companies decide not to develop them into products. Now, not-for-profit groups and state governments are asking companies to donate dormant patents so they can be passed to local entrepreneurs who try to build businesses out of them. "

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  1. Why donate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The whole goal of filing tons of patents you won't develop is to wait for someone else to do the work for you. If you donate the patent someone else will complete the work but you won't get to capitalize on their success. (as was I'm sure the original goal)

    1. Re:Why donate? by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      they could have enter sharing agreements with anybody willing, so they would split the money between the owner of the patent and the entity that actually does the work of implementing the patent.

      Or they could just sit on the patent and sue the entity that actually does the work and get all of the money.

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    2. Re:Why donate? by PinkPanther · · Score: 3, Insightful
      (sorry...must actually look at the preview to make the "preview" function useful...)

      "dormant patent" holders should have equivalent of "annual garage sale" for their patents.
      Though a neat idea, the pragmatist/pessimist in me wonders what benefit there is to a corporation to participate in such a thing?

      What is the benefit to the corporation to participating? The costs are:

      • resources needed to research its patent base and ensure that given patents are unused and irrelevant to the company (this would be both a legal and corporate-political issue; in a large corporation, the politics alone could be a nightmare to navigate)
      • resources needed to package up and sell the patents (and at "garage sale" prices no less??)
      • potential risk that a competitor picks up the patent (why give away a competitive advantage, even one that is unused?)

      Think about it: would the typical manager/executive sign off on the budget to offload properties that don't cost anything to keep laying around? Would they absorb the potential risk of giving up an offensive or defensive legal shield?

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  2. Why donate? by mapkinase · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If companies would be interested in doing something with the patents they could have enter sharing agreements with anybody willing, so they would split the money between the owner of the patent and the entity that actually does the work of implementing the patent.

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  3. Hmmm by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is good. I was wondering what I was gonna do with my peanut-butter-powered horse launcher.

  4. Is this really a good idea? by J.R.+Random · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Take an old, dusty patent that isn't doing anyone any harm, and then give it to an entrepreneur who now has an incentive to sue anyone else whose product violates the patent.

    The only reason it's possible to do business in the United States at all is because 90% of patents are left lying in a drawer rather than being rigorously enforced.

  5. Even better... by dattaway · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bury them. Let them rest in peace.

  6. Invalidate them by simm1701 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wouldn't it be a lot simpler to make patents only valid while the holder is actively exploiting them (ie using them to build the device in question - filing suits against anyone that looks like they might be using it shouldn't count) - allow a 3 year grace period between filing the patent and when they first start using it to cover developement to market window

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    1. Re:Invalidate them by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wouldn't it be a lot simpler to make patents only valid while the holder is actively exploiting them

      Bingo!

      Let's be clear about this, for the benefit of the libertarians: patents (and other forms of protected IP, i.e. trademarks and copyrights) are government interference in the market. They are a form of government-granted monopoly which interfere with the normal operations of a free-market economy. As a matter of principle as well as practicality, this should only happen when the benefits clearly and greatly outweigh the costs -- "to promote the progress of science and the useful arts," as the Constitution defines the purpose of IP law. Granting government protection to unused patents clearly does nothing toward this end.

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    2. Re:Invalidate them by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Doh! The USPTO already has a mechanism for this - maintainence fees. If you don't pony up $$$$$$ every few years the patent automatically expires. Companies, being greedy bastards don't maintain patents that they have no interest in. Which is probnably why this entire article and discussion thereof is stupid.

    3. Re:Invalidate them by PinkPanther · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Companies, being greedy bastards don't maintain patents that they have no interest in.

      Maybe small companies where the CEO or CFO are signing off directly on such expenses. But in larger corporations where "legal" is nothing more than a faint blip on the accounting radar, these types of decisions have been lost in the process.

      Who is going to go to all the trouble of tracking down which patents in the portfolio are actually not in use (and that would mean completely unused). In a large organization, tracking that down could be nearly impossible, especially when patents are coming from aquisitions, etc. The individual would have to have pretty good grasp of the technologies covered by the patent, the technologies used in all of the company's products (and those of its subsidiaries, etc...), have a good grasp of who in the organization "owns" the patent, the history behind its application, etc...

      This would be a daunting and expensive task. It may simply be cheaper to pay the annual renewal fees rather than (a) do the legal and technical research to know that the patent is truly unused, and (b) understand the risk that someone else (e.g. a competitor) could not use the patent against the company giving up the patent.

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    4. Re:Invalidate them by DirePickle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The maintenance fees aren't really all that enormous, though. The first 11.5 years of maintenance total $3200. Also, the fact that 90-some percent of patents lay unused suggests to me that companies will, in fact, maintain patents that they have no interest in.

  7. Defensive Patents by diablovision · · Score: 4, Informative

    Many companies use patents defensively (or counter offensively). The company will patent technology or process X, though they may decide that it is better done internally with process Y. Or they may simply make the strategic decision that the effort and resources expended in pursuing profit in the patent are better spent pursuing something else. Nevertheless, the patent still has value to them because it gives them more options.

    1. It helps deter competitors from launching patent infringement lawsuits against them, because they have patents that can be used in a counter suit.
    2. It prevents competitors from utilizing the technology that they developed.
    3. It gives them business options that they would not otherwise have if they didn't have the rights to the patent.

    I doubt that most patents that are classified as being "unused" or "sitting around" still aren't providing some kind of value to the company that pursued them in the first place. It tends to be the nature of business that companies will look for ways to leverage their assets maximally. Besides, if the patents were valuable, the company would already have pursued licensing the technology to another person/company who can develop it into something viable.

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  8. If I may play Devil's Advocate for a minute... by kahei · · Score: 3, Insightful

    *hilariously, goes and plays a pinball machine called 'Devil's Advocate'*

    Ah, those Simpsons. Anyway, problem:

    Those patents gathering dust are DEFENSIVE patents. That's why they're gathering dust; they're the deterrent your company has just in case anyone starts violating the patent sharing agreements that prevail between the big players in many markets.

    If you donate them to other institutions, they 1) are no longer a deterrent and 2) may no longer be covered by patent sharing agreements. Congratulations! You have plunged the world into an era of 0 technological progress, as companies find the existing patent detente is no longer enforceable.

    It would be better to simply grant every company ever a patent on everything possi -- oh, wait, that is the USPTO's actual strategy.

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  9. Perpetual auction for patents: taxing horders by G4from128k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've often wondered whether patents could be subject to a type of perpetual public auction in which anyone can make a binding bid on a patent. The price on the patent would be part of a delayed mark-to-market capital gains tax accounting system that would encourage companies to either monetize or sell patents because they would be paying taxes on those patents. Some small entrepreneurs might be "forced" to sell their patents (i.e., they owe the IRS $2,000,000 because they got a bid for $10,000,000), but then they'd get far more money from the high bidder than they could have if they kept the patent. High bidders would, in turn, have serious skin in the game and want to make money from the patent. Patent-horders would need to pay the gains taxes on their patent portfolios as if those patents where being economically used. I suspect the scheme would make it more costly to keep frivolous patents or to sit on a patent to prevent competitive innovation.

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  10. Agreed--ASKING won't work by WebCowboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be a lot simpler to make patents only valid while the holder is actively exploiting them

    EXACTLY. How terribly naive to think that those companies that own many "stale patents" would donate their "valuable IP". Those who are truly interested in innovation rather than exploitation will make the effort to get the invention to market (either themselves or through actively pursuing licensing agreements with those that have the capital to do so). Those companies that are NOT interested in bringing the patented idea to market and are not evil parasites are already donating such patents to others (IBM for example).

    All that are left are evil, parasitic submarine-patent holding companies. Such companies exist solely to make money without making an effort by holding innovation hostage. Such companies will not donate their IP simply by asking them politely. As you have suggested and I've advocated for quite some time, this illegitimate business model has to be outlawed in some way, and the best way to do this is to introduce the obligation to provide not only the description of the invention itself but an execution/delivery plan as well that describes the intended plan to bring the patented invention to market. The patent holder would be held to that plan, up to a maximum-allowable period of time (whichever is shorter). If the patent holder fails to deliver the patent would be permanently invalidated and the idea would be public domain.

    Though much more patent reform is required, this single change would be a big step forward. Amazon may have been evil to file their stupid "one-click-online-purchase" patent but at least they actually brought the idea to reality. Submarine patents run completely counter to the spirit and purpose of patent law, are potentially damaging to the economy and global competitiveness of a nation and must be eliminated.

  11. Re:Tax break for donating patents by mpe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Perhaps giving companies a tax writeoff equal to the amount in revenues that a donated patent generates would work out.

    The original article mentions that tax breaks were actually stopped because they were abused.

  12. And in other news ... by boyfaceddog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Companies asked to donate unused dollars.

    Like that will happen

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  13. Re:Tax break for donating patents by Ambidisastrous · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah, but come on. They threw the baby out with the bathwater.

    It's curious how recently the writeoff was dumped. And dumped completely, rather than putting caps on the value of a writeoff or tinkering with the way a patent's value is calculated -- or working with the patent office to stop granting so many worthless patents. Clearly there's a public benefit in having companies release their unused patents; the knowledge is distributed and the free market can get to work immediately, rather than hanging around for the temporarily granted monopoly to expire.

    Summoning the power of my tinfoil hat, I see the following:

    • After granting huge, high-profile tax cuts in the few years leading up to 2004, the Bush administration scrambled to make up some of the revenue shortage by eliminating more obscure deductions. The alternative minimum tax soaked up some of the change; donated-patent deductions were also sacrificed for the cause, along with many other things.
    • Until recently, Big Business liked having lots of patents lying around. The big players had (and have) huge war chests of patents -- so that licensing squabbles with other big players have an overtone of mutually assured destruction, keeping negotiations under control; to keep dangerous upstarts in line; to list as company assets for interested parties; because silver-haired WASPs grew up thinking of patents as The American Way. If Big Business decides to take on patent law, the patent law will change.
    • IBM would probably be fine with donating some of its patents to the FSF or a similar patent-lefting (hmm, doesn't sound as good as copylefting) nonprofit organization. Except that, as a big company involved in something as radically un-American as free sofware, they need a sufficiently deadly patent portfolio to ward off an IT monopolist that the US government refuses to bust because they feel that having an operating-system monopolist on US soil gives them technological dominion over the rest of the world.
    • Idle patents are not the problem that needs fixing; they're a symptom of having oo many low-value patents granted in the first place. But giving back the incentive to relinquish patents would be nice.