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Companies Asked to Donate Unused Patents

Radon360 writes "There are countless patents that are promising but sitting idle, stowed in the corporate file room. In fact, about 90 percent to 95 percent of all patents are idle. Countless patents sit unused when companies decide not to develop them into products. Now, not-for-profit groups and state governments are asking companies to donate dormant patents so they can be passed to local entrepreneurs who try to build businesses out of them. "

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  1. Why donate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The whole goal of filing tons of patents you won't develop is to wait for someone else to do the work for you. If you donate the patent someone else will complete the work but you won't get to capitalize on their success. (as was I'm sure the original goal)

    1. Re:Why donate? by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      they could have enter sharing agreements with anybody willing, so they would split the money between the owner of the patent and the entity that actually does the work of implementing the patent.

      Or they could just sit on the patent and sue the entity that actually does the work and get all of the money.

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    2. Re:Why donate? by Dan+Ost · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to the article's example, the company that owned the patent was paid a 5% stake in the start-up in exchange for letting the start-up use the patent.

      Not a donation in the strictest sense of the word, but still, they're letting someone use a patent that they weren't going to pursue.

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    3. Re:Why donate? by PinkPanther · · Score: 3, Insightful
      (sorry...must actually look at the preview to make the "preview" function useful...)

      "dormant patent" holders should have equivalent of "annual garage sale" for their patents.
      Though a neat idea, the pragmatist/pessimist in me wonders what benefit there is to a corporation to participate in such a thing?

      What is the benefit to the corporation to participating? The costs are:

      • resources needed to research its patent base and ensure that given patents are unused and irrelevant to the company (this would be both a legal and corporate-political issue; in a large corporation, the politics alone could be a nightmare to navigate)
      • resources needed to package up and sell the patents (and at "garage sale" prices no less??)
      • potential risk that a competitor picks up the patent (why give away a competitive advantage, even one that is unused?)

      Think about it: would the typical manager/executive sign off on the budget to offload properties that don't cost anything to keep laying around? Would they absorb the potential risk of giving up an offensive or defensive legal shield?

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    4. Re:Why donate? by Kaboom13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This seems like a perfect argument for making large patent portfolios cost a lot of money to keep. Perhaps a system where you get 1-2 years free then increasingly large fees after that to keep your patent. Of course, the problem would be to find value for the fees that would be affordable for small busninesses while still giving an incentive to large businesses to abandon/sell unused patents. The money could even be put into examining new patents more carefully. Of course thats how a working system would work, sadly as long as the average voter (and your average congressmen for that matter) don't know the difference between a patent and copyright there is little incentive to change a system that rewards the big players so much.

    5. Re:Why donate? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uh, a submarine patent is one that is submitted knowing that it will not be accepted, then revised every year (or was it two?) and resubmitted, knowing that it still will not be accepted. When someone finally develops technology that a good version of the patent would address, the patent is revised into a form that will pass muster, then resubmitted. The patent's grant date corresponds not to the date of first filing, but to the date when the submission is approved. This is a huge problem with the system. Besides shortening the duration of all patents, we should be dating the patents to the date of first submission.

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    6. Re:Why donate? by Falstius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're certainly right in suggesting that no company is going to do this out of the goodness of their cold black hearts, however these same corporations donate millions of dollars each year. If the donated patents could count as a charitable donation, it would be much more appealing. Start-ups get the legal protection a patent offers without spending a ton of money, large corporations get a tax write off without giving away actual capital.

      There would have to be some legislation that says the write-off value of a patent has to be reasonable, but this is similar to whenever physical goods are donated for a monetary write-off.

  2. Why donate? by mapkinase · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If companies would be interested in doing something with the patents they could have enter sharing agreements with anybody willing, so they would split the money between the owner of the patent and the entity that actually does the work of implementing the patent.

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  3. Hmmm by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is good. I was wondering what I was gonna do with my peanut-butter-powered horse launcher.

    1. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was wondering what I was gonna do with my peanut-butter-powered horse launcher.

      I'll bet McGuyver can claim prior art

  4. Is this really a good idea? by J.R.+Random · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Take an old, dusty patent that isn't doing anyone any harm, and then give it to an entrepreneur who now has an incentive to sue anyone else whose product violates the patent.

    The only reason it's possible to do business in the United States at all is because 90% of patents are left lying in a drawer rather than being rigorously enforced.

    1. Re:Is this really a good idea? by AutopsyReport · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only reason it's possible to do business in the United States at all is because 90% of patents are left lying in a drawer rather than being rigorously enforced.

      Oh come on, could you have possibly made a more generalized statement? Since when do all American businesses rely on patents, or rely on a patent remaining in hibernation? This nonsense sounds like its coming straight from the mouth of someone who has their head buried in an industry held above (or beneath) the water by patents.

      Did you wake up this morning and forget about the doctors, plumbers, programmers, McDonald's employees, sales reps, and many other factions whose doing business is not forcibly restricted by patents?

      It is no doubt that many industries are affected by patents, but to say that this applies to all areas of business is just ridiculous.

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  5. Even better... by dattaway · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bury them. Let them rest in peace.

  6. Invalidate them by simm1701 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wouldn't it be a lot simpler to make patents only valid while the holder is actively exploiting them (ie using them to build the device in question - filing suits against anyone that looks like they might be using it shouldn't count) - allow a 3 year grace period between filing the patent and when they first start using it to cover developement to market window

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    1. Re:Invalidate them by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wouldn't it be a lot simpler to make patents only valid while the holder is actively exploiting them

      Bingo!

      Let's be clear about this, for the benefit of the libertarians: patents (and other forms of protected IP, i.e. trademarks and copyrights) are government interference in the market. They are a form of government-granted monopoly which interfere with the normal operations of a free-market economy. As a matter of principle as well as practicality, this should only happen when the benefits clearly and greatly outweigh the costs -- "to promote the progress of science and the useful arts," as the Constitution defines the purpose of IP law. Granting government protection to unused patents clearly does nothing toward this end.

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    2. Re:Invalidate them by FredDC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unfortunately it's not that simple I'm afraid...
       
      The time between patent filing and product on market is not the only criteria you would need to check. There could be many reasons why a patent is still valid, and because of the tremendous amount of patents applied for and (maybe not yet) given the work involved would be too great to deal with. It's simply not feasible to apply such a check to all patents within a reasonable timeframe. You would never be able to do only a part because the patent holders that are damaged would cry murder over the fact that they were targetted and others not...
       
      The entire patent system as it is in the US is rotten to the core. I'd rather see the way patents are handed out change first before taking a look at existing ones. What's the point of evaluating crappy patents when you are handing new crappy ones out every day...

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    3. Re:Invalidate them by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Doh! The USPTO already has a mechanism for this - maintainence fees. If you don't pony up $$$$$$ every few years the patent automatically expires. Companies, being greedy bastards don't maintain patents that they have no interest in. Which is probnably why this entire article and discussion thereof is stupid.

    4. Re:Invalidate them by PinkPanther · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Companies, being greedy bastards don't maintain patents that they have no interest in.

      Maybe small companies where the CEO or CFO are signing off directly on such expenses. But in larger corporations where "legal" is nothing more than a faint blip on the accounting radar, these types of decisions have been lost in the process.

      Who is going to go to all the trouble of tracking down which patents in the portfolio are actually not in use (and that would mean completely unused). In a large organization, tracking that down could be nearly impossible, especially when patents are coming from aquisitions, etc. The individual would have to have pretty good grasp of the technologies covered by the patent, the technologies used in all of the company's products (and those of its subsidiaries, etc...), have a good grasp of who in the organization "owns" the patent, the history behind its application, etc...

      This would be a daunting and expensive task. It may simply be cheaper to pay the annual renewal fees rather than (a) do the legal and technical research to know that the patent is truly unused, and (b) understand the risk that someone else (e.g. a competitor) could not use the patent against the company giving up the patent.

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    5. Re:Invalidate them by Strangely+Familiar · · Score: 2, Informative
      "patents (and other forms of protected IP, i.e. trademarks and copyrights) are government interference in the market. They are a form of government-granted monopoly which interfere with the normal operations of a free-market economy."

      You would be correct if you were only talking about bad, invalid patents. Otherwise, you miss the point of patents. Patents are supposed to deal with inventions that, were it not for patents, would not exist. For example, without patents, Viagra would likely not exist. If pharmaceutical companies knew they would be immediately copied, research would be entirely dependent on government grants. Many, many devices and innovations would have gone uninvented, if all research was dependent on the Government. Civil Libertarians should shudder at the idea of much or all of innovation being sponsored by the Government. Do you really think Intel could survive, if AMD, Cyrix, VIA, Transmeta, HP, IBM, Alpha, Cray, and all the others were allowed to copy their chips exactly? No, money would not be pouring into Intel, to keep doing what they've been doing, buying new fabs, and pushing the envelope. There would be no Core Duo. You can argue exceptions until the heat death of the universe, but you will be arguing against the wisdom of the Founding Fathers, who were no slouches when it came to civil liberties.

      If the "normal operations of a free market" wouldn't create inventions such as the Core Duo or Viagra, then your point that patents "interfere" is weak. If by "interference" you mean "add to", then you have a point. Yes, yes, there are bad, awful, despicable, embarrassing patents out there. Far too many, and THOSE are hurting the free market. So, to sum up: Bad, invalid patents = soapy dirty bathwater. Good patents = freshly washed, newly created baby.

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    6. Re:Invalidate them by DirePickle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The maintenance fees aren't really all that enormous, though. The first 11.5 years of maintenance total $3200. Also, the fact that 90-some percent of patents lay unused suggests to me that companies will, in fact, maintain patents that they have no interest in.

  7. Defensive Patents by diablovision · · Score: 4, Informative

    Many companies use patents defensively (or counter offensively). The company will patent technology or process X, though they may decide that it is better done internally with process Y. Or they may simply make the strategic decision that the effort and resources expended in pursuing profit in the patent are better spent pursuing something else. Nevertheless, the patent still has value to them because it gives them more options.

    1. It helps deter competitors from launching patent infringement lawsuits against them, because they have patents that can be used in a counter suit.
    2. It prevents competitors from utilizing the technology that they developed.
    3. It gives them business options that they would not otherwise have if they didn't have the rights to the patent.

    I doubt that most patents that are classified as being "unused" or "sitting around" still aren't providing some kind of value to the company that pursued them in the first place. It tends to be the nature of business that companies will look for ways to leverage their assets maximally. Besides, if the patents were valuable, the company would already have pursued licensing the technology to another person/company who can develop it into something viable.

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  8. If I may play Devil's Advocate for a minute... by kahei · · Score: 3, Insightful

    *hilariously, goes and plays a pinball machine called 'Devil's Advocate'*

    Ah, those Simpsons. Anyway, problem:

    Those patents gathering dust are DEFENSIVE patents. That's why they're gathering dust; they're the deterrent your company has just in case anyone starts violating the patent sharing agreements that prevail between the big players in many markets.

    If you donate them to other institutions, they 1) are no longer a deterrent and 2) may no longer be covered by patent sharing agreements. Congratulations! You have plunged the world into an era of 0 technological progress, as companies find the existing patent detente is no longer enforceable.

    It would be better to simply grant every company ever a patent on everything possi -- oh, wait, that is the USPTO's actual strategy.

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  9. Patents are not rights to develop products by Halo1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Patents are only rights to exclude others from doing something (namely what is claimed by the patent). "Donating" a patent to someone is therefore very unlikely to help someone build a business around it, unless that business is threatening to sue the hell out of everyone else who has ignored that patent until now (because the owner clearly decided not to enforce it). The reason is that it almost never happens that a product is only covered by a single (or even a couple of) patents, except sometimes with pharmaceuticals or so (but those patents are very unlikely to be dormant).

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  10. Absolutely by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is part of the patent system that is broken. There is no incentive to not squat on the patent and wait for someone else to do the work. Invalidating the unused patents and passing them to the public domain will increase (IMO) the ability of small and agile businesses to do something with the previously patented item. When it passes to public domain, it removes the ability of anyone to use it just for suing others.

    If the patent is not being used, it doesn't need patent protection! The grace period length may be up for debate, but the idea of passing the invention to public domain should not be in the case of unused patents.

  11. Perpetual auction for patents: taxing horders by G4from128k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've often wondered whether patents could be subject to a type of perpetual public auction in which anyone can make a binding bid on a patent. The price on the patent would be part of a delayed mark-to-market capital gains tax accounting system that would encourage companies to either monetize or sell patents because they would be paying taxes on those patents. Some small entrepreneurs might be "forced" to sell their patents (i.e., they owe the IRS $2,000,000 because they got a bid for $10,000,000), but then they'd get far more money from the high bidder than they could have if they kept the patent. High bidders would, in turn, have serious skin in the game and want to make money from the patent. Patent-horders would need to pay the gains taxes on their patent portfolios as if those patents where being economically used. I suspect the scheme would make it more costly to keep frivolous patents or to sit on a patent to prevent competitive innovation.

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  12. HaHaHa by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The USPTO charges maintenance fees on patents. If you do not pony up $$$$ every few years the patent expires. Companies not being in the business of expending cash needlessly do not pay the fees on patents they own but have no interest in develeping. Ultimately this means there will be very few active but available patents to donate to such organizations. In fact the whole premise of the article is nonsense.

  13. Reality Collision by asphaltjesus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The patent was never perfect but the principal and general application was sound. It allowed for actual innovation, protected it temporarily, and offered some transparency in the business world to value novel ideas.

    The problem with the libertarian black-or-white view of marketplaces is that humans _always_ screw it up. Not sometimes, always. I imagine the number of people that screwed this one up is relatively small, but isn't it always the few who make misery for the rest.

    History shows time and again that all unregulated markets mature to monopolies. From fish mongers to real estate agents, there's rarely an exception. The libertarian view then either accepts the monopoly or performs some logical gymnastics to allow regulation.

    The libertarian ideal _will_ be as abused as every other political ideal that has come before it. Please consider a more moderate approach.

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  14. Agreed--ASKING won't work by WebCowboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be a lot simpler to make patents only valid while the holder is actively exploiting them

    EXACTLY. How terribly naive to think that those companies that own many "stale patents" would donate their "valuable IP". Those who are truly interested in innovation rather than exploitation will make the effort to get the invention to market (either themselves or through actively pursuing licensing agreements with those that have the capital to do so). Those companies that are NOT interested in bringing the patented idea to market and are not evil parasites are already donating such patents to others (IBM for example).

    All that are left are evil, parasitic submarine-patent holding companies. Such companies exist solely to make money without making an effort by holding innovation hostage. Such companies will not donate their IP simply by asking them politely. As you have suggested and I've advocated for quite some time, this illegitimate business model has to be outlawed in some way, and the best way to do this is to introduce the obligation to provide not only the description of the invention itself but an execution/delivery plan as well that describes the intended plan to bring the patented invention to market. The patent holder would be held to that plan, up to a maximum-allowable period of time (whichever is shorter). If the patent holder fails to deliver the patent would be permanently invalidated and the idea would be public domain.

    Though much more patent reform is required, this single change would be a big step forward. Amazon may have been evil to file their stupid "one-click-online-purchase" patent but at least they actually brought the idea to reality. Submarine patents run completely counter to the spirit and purpose of patent law, are potentially damaging to the economy and global competitiveness of a nation and must be eliminated.

  15. Donate long term assets?? by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Suuuuure they will. This should have been classified as 'its funny, laugh'.

    Could companies be more open with them, sure, but *donate* ... don't hold your breath.

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  16. Re:Tax break for donating patents by mpe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Perhaps giving companies a tax writeoff equal to the amount in revenues that a donated patent generates would work out.

    The original article mentions that tax breaks were actually stopped because they were abused.

  17. Abandoned and Expired Patents Search Site by RembrandtX · · Score: 2, Informative

    If companies don't pay maintenance fees on a patent it will become abandoned, and thus (after a grace period) public domain.
    Patents that are expired, (17-20 years) are of course already thus.

    Try searching on http://www.patentmonkey.com/ and the results will show you status. Roumour has it that just 10 minutes ago they fixed it so you can even be able to SEARCH on status .. like .. show me all the patents with 'cel phone' in the title that are abandoned.

    While you are there, you can browse patents by front page - as if you were in the patent office in VA too.

    All food for the entrepreneur.

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  18. No patents go unused by argoff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The whole goal of filing tons of patents you won't develop is to wait for someone else to do the work for you.

    In truth, the stealth patent strategy is only used by a tiny minority of vultures. The vast magority of companies (eg. IBM,HP) use them to get into cross-licence agreements, or use them as ammunition to defend against lawsuits. In the industry, patents are almost never used to "protect" invenstions, but only to protect against lawsuits. So in that way, no patent goes unused.

  19. And in other news ... by boyfaceddog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Companies asked to donate unused dollars.

    Like that will happen

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  20. Re:much funnier by teh_chrizzle · · Score: 2, Funny

    anything is funny when you substitute the word pants:

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    • he is ill clothed that is bare of pants.
    • friends, nobles, countrymen, lend me your pants.
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  21. Redundant, I know... by chihowa · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't worry, I've got step three all figured out: Step 3: ???

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  22. Re:Tax break for donating patents by Ambidisastrous · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah, but come on. They threw the baby out with the bathwater.

    It's curious how recently the writeoff was dumped. And dumped completely, rather than putting caps on the value of a writeoff or tinkering with the way a patent's value is calculated -- or working with the patent office to stop granting so many worthless patents. Clearly there's a public benefit in having companies release their unused patents; the knowledge is distributed and the free market can get to work immediately, rather than hanging around for the temporarily granted monopoly to expire.

    Summoning the power of my tinfoil hat, I see the following:

    • After granting huge, high-profile tax cuts in the few years leading up to 2004, the Bush administration scrambled to make up some of the revenue shortage by eliminating more obscure deductions. The alternative minimum tax soaked up some of the change; donated-patent deductions were also sacrificed for the cause, along with many other things.
    • Until recently, Big Business liked having lots of patents lying around. The big players had (and have) huge war chests of patents -- so that licensing squabbles with other big players have an overtone of mutually assured destruction, keeping negotiations under control; to keep dangerous upstarts in line; to list as company assets for interested parties; because silver-haired WASPs grew up thinking of patents as The American Way. If Big Business decides to take on patent law, the patent law will change.
    • IBM would probably be fine with donating some of its patents to the FSF or a similar patent-lefting (hmm, doesn't sound as good as copylefting) nonprofit organization. Except that, as a big company involved in something as radically un-American as free sofware, they need a sufficiently deadly patent portfolio to ward off an IT monopolist that the US government refuses to bust because they feel that having an operating-system monopolist on US soil gives them technological dominion over the rest of the world.
    • Idle patents are not the problem that needs fixing; they're a symptom of having oo many low-value patents granted in the first place. But giving back the incentive to relinquish patents would be nice.
  23. Re:Practical Case by asphaltjesus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/02/25/0053 98.html

    That's the guy who came up with intermittent windshield wipers. The specifics of which, I have issue with, but the basic principal is sound.

    I'm an inventor who comes up with a great idea. I patent it, then I shop it to companies who would likely use it to gain an advantage. The company can examine the novel idea in detail and the inventor is protected from wholesale theft and place a value on the idea. If the inventor and business agree on some terms, then both parties benefit.

    The process is hampered by human organization mantras like "not invented here." At this point in time, the whole patent process is completely out of control so any semblance to the original notions are a long way gone.

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  24. this ought to be mandatory by alizard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the owner of a patent hasn't started to develop it or make it available for licensing within 2 years of a patent being awarded, it should be made available for mandatory licensing with set compensation to the owner.

    The inventors of the US patent system didn't envision idle or submarine patents. Their intent was to encourage the creation of useful devices that would actually be made available to the public in exchange for the temporary monopoly on profiting from that invention. Having 95% of all patents idle doesn't fit the original intent.

  25. Hurts only the good guys by asninn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That seems like a bad idea to me, for a very simple reason.

    Think about it: companies are, first and foremost, interested in making money. Some may have ethical goals or values, too (let's call these "the good guys"), while others don't and care ONLY about money (the "bad guys"). Now, what kind of company would donate a patent they held?

    Obviously, the bad guys wouldn't do it; after all, a patent, even if you're not using it right now and have no current plans to do so in the future, might still be valuable at some point, and giving up that value for nothing is a bad deal. The good guys, on the other hand, might do it - depending, of course, but in principle, they might.

    If a patent gets donated, what happens? Either someone picks it up and creates a successful business, or it turns out to be a dud. In the latter case, the whole act of donating it was pretty useless, but since that's not what's supposed to happen, let's concentrate on the first case: here, someone actually demonstrates that there WAS more than just a theoretical value attached to the patent, so the company that donated it did lose REAL money when it did so.

    Now think about that: the bad guys (who didn't donate anything) continued as usual, and the good guys, *by virtue of being good guys*, *lost money*. Therefore, this scheme is either useless (if the donated patents aren't useful for creating new businesses) or hurts the good guys and rewards the greedy.

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