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Most Digital Content Not Stable
brunes69 writes "The CBC is running an article profiling the problems with archiving digital data in New Brunswick's provincial archives. Quote from the story: 'I've had audio tape come into the archives, for example, that had been submerged in water in floods and the tape was so swollen it went off the reel, and yet we were able to recover that. We were able to take that off and dry it out and play it back. If a CD had one-tenth of one per cent of the damage on one of those reels, it wouldn't play, period. The whole thing would be corrupted'. Given the difficulties with preserving digital data, is it really the medium we should be using for archival purposes?"
That content can not be preserved at all. We'll be a civilization without written history, like American Indians.
Isn't that the point of digital? Lossless copies are possible (depending on format obviously). Why have one plastic cylinder that can be lost when you can have it in 5 or 10 locations?
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Now we just need a large enough area to store them
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At the enterprise level we use 3.5" 1.44MB Floppy drives in an elaborate redundant array. It consists of roughly 70,000 Disks, each changed nightly. We haven't had any problems yet. Hopefully the rest of the world will play catch up soon.
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Ridiculous. It's not the fact that content is digital, it's the fact that the media being used to store the information (CDs etc) is fragile. If these mythical audio tapes had been digital tapes, recovering the signal from them would have been just as easy.
... wasn't *exactly* what you put on. You have the appearance of stability, that you can retrieve something off a damaged tape, but the truth is something different. That's the beauty of analogue. The same simplicity and fault-tolerance of the format also means the format will naturally degrade over time. The contents may be retrievable, but they've degraded, and as such are not the same contents as when first written. Digital fails, but when it doesn't fail, you have exactly the same content as you did when you started. Archivists will not run from digital - their techniques will improve instead. or something.
Shouldn't it be possible to take all the media and just crush it? You know, like throw it into a Mega Power 3000 Digital Garbage Collector (TM) and crush it into a diamond or something? Let future generations figure out how to decompress it.
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Just because it's harder to recover the data doesn't mean it's impossible.
Of course, anyone using CDs or DVDs for large data backup must have a lot of interns to do the disc swapping.
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Some analog technologies, like old color films, have also degraded and need image enhancement to recover the original content.
Yes, analog tape is durable. But let's take it and that "CD" and put them in front of a large electromagnet and see how each fares.
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Have people already forgotten the advantage of digital? If you have an analog tape, every time you make a copy of it, the quality will be degraded. But with digital, you can make a million copies and the final copy will be the byte by byte equivilent of the original. So what if CDs only last 10 years before becoming unusable? You can make another copy! So what if this guy wouldn't have been able to recover after physical damage to his media....if it was important, he should have had digital offsite backups! And those backups would have been 100% equivelent to the originals.
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If losing 1% of the data on a CD means the data is a total loss, doesn't that say to you that you should be using a file system and data formats with more redundancy and parity?
Of course for the ultimate in durable electronically readable storage you should be burning everything to PROMs.
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Why bother.
...the solution is simple. We need a way to take a quantum snapshot of the whole of the Earth at least once every 24 hours and then to send that data out into space as a broadcast in all directions. To retrieve the quantum structure, we'd simply pop out of a wormhole near where the data is passing and retrieve it, then retransmit it back to here and reconstruct the Earth as it was before catastrophe struck. The nice thing about this is that if we can find another M class star like Usolia (our sun), we don't even have to beam the data through the wormhole. We could just intercept it near the star and start the assembly process there. Point-in-time restores for the whole of the planet. Imagine that. You're welcome.
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In the 1980's they digitized the Domesday Book. Trouble was the format they used is now obsololete. The good news (apart from still having the origional) they have re-inveted the wheel. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2534391.stm for details.
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If a CD had been submerged in water, it would've been fine. There's no point in making the comparison if it wouldn't have been damaged in the first place. They need to find a better example.
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This also is the response to the other big cry-wolf thing, "What happens when the data is in a format that's too old???!!11one" The answer is we just keep copying it to new formats. I have digital copies of papers that I wrote in high school. They were written on an old copy or Works for Windows 3.1 and usually saved to floppy. I don't have a floppy any more but it isn't a problem. I long ago transferred them to a harddrive and I just keep transferring them to new drives when I get them. I also periodically load the old documents in to whatever my current word processor is, convert them, and re-save them as a new format.
I think you're missing an important element here. As you move along in time, the volume of data that must be converted to the format du jour only gets bigger and bigger.
For a single person, it's probably not too bad. I, too, have pretty much everything I ever wrote since I first got a computer, and every few years I've committed to rolling the whole thing onto new media. So I've gone from offline backups on floppies, to Zip disks (in retrospect a mistake), to CDs, to DVD-R, and now to DVD+R (the -R discs were crappy and I've since heard that +R is a superior format anyway). This isn't much trouble, because the amount of data I have to backup hasn't really grown that much faster than the data density of available media. I'm probably up to a couple of DVDs for the stuff I really, really care about, maybe a binder if I include all the photos and video.
But what's a basic Saturday-afternoon copy-and-burn job for an individual is a Sisyphean task for a large government agency or library, particularly one who is constantly generating new content. I've seen places that could barely keep up with archiving the stuff they were producing, much less roll their vast archives forward onto new media. So they'd have vaults of hard drives, sitting next to DLT cassettes, next to IBM 3480, next to racks of old half-inch open-reel tapes. Probably back in some dark corner there were piles of punched cards; it really wouldn't surprise me. The problem of data loss due to unreadable formats isn't some abstract 'maybe,' it's already happened in a lot of places (but nobody really wants to talk about it, so it mostly gets buried and whatever's on the tapes gets written off).
The reason why there's so much interest in preservable formats is because while it may not be strictly impossible to constantly roll old backups and archives forward, it's very hard, and requires vast amounts of effort and expense. If you have a backup that's being written into a format that you know is going to be readable for a long time, even if it's more expensive to write initially, you can save a lot of money and time down the road by not having to copy it forward as often.
People may get a little shrill when they're talking about these issues, but they're quite real.
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This is a dual problem:
1) Digital data needs to be moved about once every 5 years onto a new physical store, disk, whatever. Think of the amount of data sitting around on floppy disks that is being lost as we speak.
2) Data has to be recorded in a way that that presumes whatever software you use to create it will not exist in the future. Anyone who saved their life's work in some ancient binary word processor file will know what I mean. For most computer-based data storage that requires data be stored somewhere in plain text, and using as open a format of 'markup' as possible, if any.
In effect, from a historical/archival point of view, data does not exist unless it is kept in at least two places at all times, and unless whatever bit of software you use to create it can also save it in a non-binary format of some sort for access for future generations who don't have a copy of your software.
Ok, that does not pertain to sound recordings or images, but even then some sort of 'permanent' standard is essential for all data.
I used to work with medieval documents written on vellum - sheep skin. The original Domesday book was written on vellum, and is as readable today as it was in 1150. (It also doesn't need a power supply to work!) Meanwhile the digital 'Domesday' Laser Disk made in the early 80s in the UK had to be saved from oblivion a few years ago (with a great deal of work) because the computers and hardware that it was created to work with were utterly obselete. Fortunately, and unusually, someone realised the problem before it was too late.
The European invasion of North America hardly constitutes a genocide. The sole purpose was not to eradicate a race, but to destroy the fabric of the culture and remove them from the land. I do believe I have friends that have some native american ancestry... The only difference is that it happened in a modern era, and the conquered people were allowed to retain some continuity. People act as if the inhuman treatment that befell the natives was in some way out of the ordinary for human nature. You can not compare the destruction of the Native Americans to Rome conquering Greece. Greece was a well developed empire that fell to another and was absorbed. There was technology and racial similarities that promoted integration. By comparison, the native people of North America had no such technology, literature, and had no relationship with the Europeans. In the beginning people negotiated, but the problem is that negotiations are a farce, and they only matter if neither side has an advantage. In the case of the Native Americans, they never really had a choice, and the some of them knew it. They had absolutely no chance against European powers simply because of the lacking of technology and cultural cohesion. One thing that people forget is that the idea of a superior people has been around forever and still continues. It is part of the human psyche and almost every major religion in the world. Don't think of it so much as a racial superiority, but rather religious. This is very much what is going on in the middle east and why they can't have peace. The religions of the region believe they are chosen to possess the holy land, and they can't let the sub humans have it. This has happened throughout all of history to ever race in the world (even among the same peoples)... just this one was more well documented.