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Store Says DRM Causes 3 of 4 Support Calls

Carter writes "Ars Technica is reporting that Musicload, one of Europe's largest movie stores, has found that 75% of its customer support problems are caused by DRM. Users have frequent problems using the music that they have purchased, which has led Musicload to try selling independent label music without DRM. Artists choosing to abandon DRM in favor of good old-fashioned MP3 have seen 40% growth in sales since December. Good to see someone in the business both 'gets it' and is willing to do something about it."

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  1. These Are Desired Problems by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Curiously, the article doesn't mention any specific problems. I'm racking my tiny brain right now to think of some problem that isn't desired by the RIAA.

    I submit to you the anecdotal evidence of my sister's "iPod." She purchased songs through iTMS and attempted to move the DRM'd files onto her SanDisk MP3 Player. Then she wondered why it didn't work. It didn't work because the files have digital rights management & only brand specific players will play it--and vice versa.

    You know, right now iPods are probably the most popular portable music device. But I don't know of any other music download DRM services that they work with. So if some third party download service called Musicload is reporting that 75% of problem calls are DRM related, I'm going to wager that every single call went a little something like "Do you have an iPod?" "No." "I'm sorry, iPod doesn't support our DRM." (or the German equivalent). In fact, on their site, I don't see an iPod as being supported.

    I think a DRM standard that everyone adopts would avoid these issues but I don't forsee that happening in the future. It benefits Apple somewhat because they can have a great service or a great player and reap the market. I don't blame them, however, because they do a fine job on both ends. I am concerned about any sort of free market existing here.

    In the end, the RIAA wants these problems. They don't want you docking a player with many computers and soaking up the files. They want one player associated with one computer associated with one account and any attempt to anything else should wipe everything off the face of the planet. Why? Money. Somehow the consumer no longer has a voice.

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    1. Re:These Are Desired Problems by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Informative

      In fact, on their site, I don't see an iPod as being supported.


      From the Musicload site:

      TIPPS
      Kein WMA mit iPod!
      Kein WMA mit iPod!
      Der iPod unterstützt leider nicht das populäre Windows Media Audio (WMA) Format von Microsoft. Musicload empfiehlt deshalb Mobile Player zu kaufen, die WMA und MP3 Formate abspielen können.


      Auf Englisch (my translation):

      IPod unfortunately does not support Microsoft's popular format, Windows Media Audio (WMA). Therefore, Musicload recommends that you buy a Mobile Player which can play WMA and MP3 formats.

      Specifically, Musicload's offerings are in WMA unless they fall in the subset of non-DRM'd media now available -- so no iPods is right on the mark.
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    2. Re:These Are Desired Problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      DRM and it's monopolizing ability will be gone by the end of this decade.
      Oh, thank god! I was worried that the RIAA would continue to rape me and the artists like they have been for the past 30 years. But now this anonymous coward has reassured me that it will not last past 2010!

      I can't wait for 2010. No more DRM and I'll have my flying stainless steal DeLorean!
    3. Re:These Are Desired Problems by Seumas · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't buy CDs anymore, unless they are to support a band I'm interested in and it is the only way I can purchase them. First thing I'll do is run home and rip them so I can add them to my digital collection, which is how I listen to 100% of my music.

      I don't buy anything with DRM. If there is DRM, I'm more likely to just get it from bit torrent or a Russian site. It will have much higher quality, too.

      However, if you have good music and the money is going to you and I can get it simply via digital download, I'm all over that. I won't pay a dollar a song on iTunes and have never used that. For a buck a song, I might as well just go buy the CD and rip them myself so I don't have any DRM restrictions in the first place! But if you have unrestricted, quality MP3s available for a simple download (like Anders Manga, The Low, etc) I will gladly pay $10 or $12 an album and - quite recently - have a number of times.

      I think this goes to support the growing swell of "I'm willing to pay if you're willing to give me what I want".

    4. Re:These Are Desired Problems by HunterZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hence the phrase "defective by design"

      http://defectivebydesign.org/

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    5. Re:These Are Desired Problems by J0nne · · Score: 3, Insightful

      WMA is popular? Since when?

  2. I dont get it. by brian.gunderson · · Score: 5, Funny

    I personally don't understand why everybody hates DRM so much. Let's consider the needs of the handicaped for once.

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  3. Four? by Das+Auge · · Score: 5, Funny

    Four support calls isn't really that bad...

  4. The wrong person is "getting" it by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This store is taking a realistic look at their support costs, and has determined that a particular "feature" is costing them a lot of money.

    Woohoo. Great. Little happy dance. Big fucking deal.

    They aren't the ones who are pushing DRM. They ahve it because without it they wouldn't get the major label tracks which (I presume) form the bulk of their income. This isn't hurting the labels who are requiring the DRM, its simply sqishing the middle players. Now, this is certainly better than just squishing the consumer, but it's still a far cry from leverage to affect change where the change can actually occur.

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    1. Re:The wrong person is "getting" it by croddy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The stores that are pushing the DRM-encumbered media are complicit in pushing DRM. They've chosen willingly to push this technology, and that doesn't make them the victims. They're merely the little dog, racing around the bigger one as it rips at the consumer's jugular.

  5. Musicload, one of Europe's largest movie stores by Intron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Odd name for a movie store.

    Anyway, I've returned a DVD because it wouldn't play on my computer. Not surprisingly, it was due to DRM. If the stores lose money trying to sell it, then they will stop carrying it.

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  6. Could be a way to protest DRM by thewils · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Phone for support, act dumb. Drive that 75% up to 95%. If the cost of providing support exceeds revenue, maybe DRM will be dropped.

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  7. Going Out on a Limb by asphaltjesus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And stating this isn't directly the entertainment conglomerates fault. It's a disingenuous game for sure.

    I think the Entertainment conglomerates can plausibly claim at the PHB level, "there's no DRM standard and that's not our fault." This way they can maintain chaos and gain total control of the digital distribution channel when they pick a winner.

    It also means that whoever is making these DRM schemes has to do a really good job creating code that has _lots_ of error condition controls. Which I just don't see anyone doing.

    The end game is the media conglomerates to win unless the copyright law is meaningfully overhauled.

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  8. used CDs work by digitaldc · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have given up on downloaded music these days, if I really like a band I'll buy a new or used CD, and definitely never use iTunes.

    Next thing you know, we'll be getting out the microphone and rip a song right from the loudspeakers - oldskool.

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    1. Re:used CDs work by neomunk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, see, the whole point of modern DRM is that a signal can't GET to a regular old audio-out jack without being downgraded significantly. It's the whole "Trusted Computing" thing. You'll have digital bits screaming out of that jack, and you can't make any sense of it (without cracking it, which is illegal, in the U.S. at least). Only after it's actually INSIDE the speaker itself can it be trusted to be turned back into a real audio waveform, and only if the speaker (and every other piece of hardware in between it and the source) checks itself out regularly to make sure there aren't any unexpected voltage drops or other signs that could be indicative of a tapped line somewhere.

      It's completely obnoxious in both scale and obtrusiveness, technologically speaking.

      And WE get to pay for it! Don't we all feel warm and fuzzy now, knowing we're paying for people to protect themselves from us. God knows -I- can't be trusted with something as powerful as a nsync album, and I should have to pay to make sure that very complicated steps are being taken to make absolutely SURE I don't do anything dangerous with that music-like-abomination.

  9. Pass the cost on by gelfling · · Score: 4, Funny

    Make the media more expensive. Drive out your own customers. Complain there aren't enough people in the known world to sue. Lather rinse repeat.

    1. Re:Pass the cost on by IvanTheNotSoBad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This really should be modded insightful instead of funny. It appears to be the actual business plan of a lot of these companies.

  10. Re:I don't believe their data by croddy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As Dick Dale said:

    Don't sign with a label; don't sign with a record company, because the minute you sign your name, you will lose all the rights to your music, and you will never see a dime. So what you should do is build up your following by continuously playing. Save up your money and record your own stuff and your own CDs, and then learn to market yourself. Sell your own CD's right out of your vehicle, right out of your show, just like Johnny Cash sold his records right out of the trunk of his car. ... If you sign with a label, the label will take it all, and you won't see one nickel. And that's the reason why labels will give you a million dollars up front... they'll invest four million into you and they'll take about fourteen million making that kind of money off of you and you'll end up owning them two million. So you'll never see a dime of anything that you do. And when you start to make money for the company they make you record another song, so that you will go back in the hole again, the company does. So that's the reason why you'll never see a dime in royalties. You'll be lucky if they even give you thirty-five cents a record. Whereas if you make and sell your own CD, whatever it costs you to make the CD, above and beyond that you'll put in your own pocket.

    This is a guy that's survived a shark bite, beaten cancer, and has been supporting himself playing music since the early 60's. Anyone who tells you that you need a major label to promote your work is either ignorant or actively trying to defraud you.

  11. Re:I don't believe their data by toadlife · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If they go independant

    * Their music will *never* be played on mainstream radio ("payola", though in more subtle forms, is very much alive today)
    * Their videos will never be played on Music Channels like mTV
    * Their CDs will never be sold in major music stores, or sold on major online retailers.
    * As a result of the aforementioned, they will never be able to to gain much exposure, and thus never be able to sell many concert tickets, which is the biggest revenue stream for most musicians.

    In short, going independent is a sure way to not make much money.

    The entire music industry is a cartel, much like the DeBeers diamond cartel. Like DeBeers has with diamonds, they have near complete control over the production and distribution of their product. This allows them to manipulate both supply and demand, which in turn, allows them to sell their product for more than it would be worth in a truly open market. Because of the control they have over every aspect of music production and distribution, third parties are not able to make much money selling music unless they join the cartel.

    Currently the music industry is trying to further limit distribution of their product via DRM. This further increases the profit margins because consumers cannot resell their DRM locked music, like they can used tapes or CDs. DeBeers has done a similar thing - though by different means (obviously you can't put DRM on a diamond), and been very successful at it over the last century.

    I know the DeBeers/Music Industry analogy isn't perfect, by DeBeers is the most successful cartel ever so I imagine every cartel looks to it for "inspiration".

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  12. Re:I don't believe their data by DrBdan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they go independant
    ...


    I would agree with everything that you said if you change the word "go" to "start". As people have already stated it is very difficult for a new band to get access to equipment, recording time, media exposure etc without the help of a label. That is a large part of why new bands usually jump at the chance to join a label.

    On the other hand there are a number of large bands that could potentially go independent now and do just fine. A prime example is Radiohead, who are in fact not in a contract right now but I bet when their new album is released it will get just as much hype as the last one. Of course the majority of bands aren't big enough to sustain a large fanbase without a big label or are locked into multi-album record deals, which is why the labels are able to take advantage of so many bands. That's my two cents at least.

  13. While the story is about DRM'ed music... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am often surprised at how few people realize their DVD player's "problems" are, more often than not, related to Macrovision's content protection. I suppose technically it is an issue with the DVD player, since it's not handling the Macrovision stuff gracefully; but by and large the general public just seems to think that DVD players suck - and they blame the hardware manufacturer rather than the MPAA.

    DRM needs to die. Its only real-world impact is to inconvenience those of us who try to do things legally - certainly the pirates aren't being overly inhibited.

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  14. Re:Apple iTunes by Stinking+Pig · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because, in the immortal words of Al Franken, they're lying liars who lie. They're getting called out for their monopolistic behavior in the EU, and they're pointing the finger at someone else while they squeeze another few years of lock-in out of the folks who buy in to the system. DRM will be removed from iTunes when an external force makes it happen, and then Steve Jobs or his replacement will play the saint and parade his "great achievement" all over the news.

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  15. Also, pirated versions are always superior by Von+Rex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not only are the pirates proceeding full speed, the pirated media is superior to the original and hence more valuable. Examples:

    Music -- No DRM, can play anywhere, any number of times, no restrictions.

    Movies -- You can copy only the main movie so it starts up immediately without the need to even touch any controls. No menus, no half a dozen previews, no FBI or MPAA warnings. And absolutely nothing, anywhere, that is "unskippable".

    Games -- No CD checks. No hunting through your house to find a CD just so you can play an old game that's already fully installed. No losing your purchase because the disk is damaged.

    So, the current option offered to people who want to be legit is to buy overpriced stuff that's a pain in the ass to use and isn't as functional as the free pirate versions. What a surprise that so many people opt out of that deal.