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DMCA Creator Admits Failure, Blames RIAA

An anonymous reader writes "DMCA architect Bruce Lehman has admitted that "our Clinton administration policies didn't work out very well" and "our attempts at copyright control have not been successful". Speaking at conference in Montreal (video at 11:00), Lehman lay much of the blame at the feet of the recording industry for their failure to adapt to the online marketplace in the mid-1990s."

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  1. On behalf of all fair use fans by Travoltus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I most certainly forgive you.

    To err is human, to apologize and publicly shoot one's own demonic brainchild in the foot is divine.

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    1. Re:On behalf of all fair use fans by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What a load of crap.

      The RIAA hasn't used, for the most part, the DMCA. The two central tools the DMCA gave groups like those the RIAA represents were a legal backing to DRM (the laws against circumventing Access Control Mechanisms), and a set, established, procedure for taking down content hosted by third parties.

      Well, which have the RIAA used? In the former case, "DRM" used by RIAA members has tended to be of the kind of thing that isn't an Access Control Mechanism or a Copy Control Mechanism, instead a "Use bugs in certain popular CD driver implementations to make it easier to use the publisher's own special music software which causes all kinds of problems" variety. The RIAA and its members could, in the late nineties, have settled on an encrypted music format, just as the movie industry did with DVDs, and phased out CDs, but they didn't, and so their ability to use the DMCA to fight piracy was limited.

      (I might add I'm glad they didn't, because DVD CSS has proven only to be a burden to non-pirates, not pirates who copy it anyway. But the point remains that the DMCA is utterly irrelevent to the RIAA actions. The RIAA has never seriously tried to make use of the DRM related parts of the DMCA.)

      Then there's the take-down system the DMCA provides. Has the RIAA and its members made serious attempts to exploit this? Well, no, because they couldn't. The way the DMCA is worded means it doesn't really apply to distributed systems like the old Napster, and would, indeed, be toothless even if you could make it apply to Napster. So they've been unable to use it at all.

      So my question is: why are the words "RIAA" and "DMCA" being used in the same article? One might "criticize" (because, like, we'd all have been better off if the music industry had forced us to buy our music again for the umpteenth time, this time on encrypted DVD-Audio or something. Yeah. Right.) them for not making use of the DMCA, and thus the DMCA not helping them, but the implication they tried to, but it wasn't enough because of their business model or something is complete crap.

      The movie industry has made use of the DMCA, in both areas. DVDs were encrypted, much to the detriment of legitimate end users, and take down notices against groups like YouTube are frequent. If the DMCA is a failure, it should probably be measured on how much it has benefited the movie industry, without causing harm to the entire electronics industry, the customers of the movie industry, and other unrelated third parties. I think any reasonable person can call it a failure on the basis of all of these criterion.

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    2. Re:On behalf of all fair use fans by OmegaBlac · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You seem to be forgetting SACD and DVD-Audio, both heavily-laden with DRM. The market rejected them in favor of regular Audio CDs...
      More like the market (the public in large) never was aware of SACD and DVD-Audio or saw no real value it buying those 2 formats over regular old compact discs; drm had little or nothing to do with the failure of those two previously mentioned formats.
    3. Re:On behalf of all fair use fans by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Insightful

      DVDs were successful due to the drastic improvement in convenience and picture quality over VHS, despite the DRM. VCRs had as much DRM as DVDs by then.
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    4. Re:On behalf of all fair use fans by orcrist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, VHS to DVD was a HUGE 3X improvement, while DVD to HighDef is a MEASLY 6X improvement.


      Wait a sec... are you calculating the amount of improvement by just comparing the resolutions differences in the formats? You can't possibly be that simple -- can you? Or do you not remember what it was like to watch VHS? Picture quality was a distant 4th place or lower in my list of things that made DVDs better than videocassette.

      1. Do you remember rewinding/fast-forwarding? I mean I hate having to wait for that FBI shit (when watching on my consumer device, as opposed to e.g. Linux where it's not a factor) but that's still quicker than when I would have to rewind the tape because I forgot to the last time.
      2. Do you remember how quickly even the best tape would degrade and streeeeetch in certain spots, especially for those favorite parts of a movie which you wanted to see again (this is especially nice for musical stuff: "Blues Brothers" anyone?).
      3. Do you remember having to fast-forward to that certain funny scene to watch it or show it to a friend ("wait just another minute; it's almost there").
      4. Do you remember lugging around a whole video recorder and TV with you, so you could watch a flick on the train.... wait a sec: we couldn't do THAT at all!
      5. Do you remember how much room all those cassettes took up in even a moderately-sized collection.
      6. Do you remember being not being able to choose whether to have subtitles on for a foreign language film, and being able to switch the subtitles... even to the language of the film, e.g. for just a little help understanding the language, while still forcing your brain to practice/learn that language. My wife does this with English language films since her English isn't *quite* good enough to follow a fast, spoken dialog, but she can get by if the words are also being shown; for the really difficult parts she can rewind and switch to German or Hungarian subtitles for just that scene.

      Oh, and:
      7. The picture and sound are significantly better than cassettes. Presumable 3X better according to your calculations.

      That's just off the top of my head. I'm not sure how to quantify 1-6 since they were essentially 0 before and 1 after, meaning infinitely better numerically-speaking.

      Then we have DVD -> High Def:
      1. Significantly better picture and sound (6x presumably, according to your calculations)
      and.....
      ummmmmm.....
      What was number 2?

      I'm sorry I just don't see what the big deal is. I mean, sure all other things being equal, I'm sure I'll like the whole high-def thing better than the 'legacy' DVD, but frankly It's not going to revolutionize my movie-watching experience; it's an upgrade nothing more. To use the tried-and-true car analogy:

      VHS -> DVD = Horse and Buggy -> Modern car = revolution

      DVD -> High def = Toyota -> Porsche = upgrade (an expensive one at that), but just a matter of degree.

      But I'm thinking you weren't around for the horse-and-buggy days of home video, to have made the statement you did :-P

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  2. When? by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dont hold your breath. I smell political maneuvering here, nothing more.

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  3. Re:To bad by essence · · Score: 5, Insightful

    one of the worst laws ever
    Yeah the DMCA is bad, but one of the worst laws ever? I don't think so. How bout the Patriot Act? or drug prohibition laws? Or the race segregation laws of bygone eras? Cmon, keep things in perspective.

  4. Re:Wooo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lehman lay much of the blame at the feet of the recording industry for their failure to adapt to the online marketplace in the mid-1990s.

    What does this mean? Despite DRM, copying carries on regardless, and despite the copying, the recording industry is making more money than ever.
    Only difference now is that when a CD doesn't sell, they can blame copying/file sharing, and not simply bad marketing practices.

  5. Passing the buck by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lehman lay much of the blame at the feet of the recording industry for their failure to adapt to the online marketplace

    That's rich. The RIAA can't make law. The RIAA aren't charged with doing what's best for the USA public. That's your job, and you failed miserably at it. You can't fuck over the public because a corporation told you to, and then blame the corporation. It's your fault for listening to them instead of the public in the first place. The RIAA could "fail to adapt" a million times over and it still wouldn't make it any less your fault for pandering to them.

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  6. DRM doesn't work, DMCA means it never will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well DRM has been an unmitigated failure, there isn't a single DRM system that can't be bypassed and customer hate it. But because of the DMCA anti-circumvention people are not able to publicly challenge crappy DRM by making tools for joe sixpack to break them.

    So we have the worst of all possible worlds, the makers of DRM turf around pretending that their broken DRM still works and spread fear that if a publisher releases anything without their DRM it will be instantly stolen. But their DRM is already broken!

    It's turned a simple clean purchase into a complicated 'license' where the user is getting totally screwed over.

    It's caused a massive loss of sales. All the sales they could have had if they hadn't gone the DRM route are lost. It's going to take them a long time to recover.

    It's given the luddites in the copyright industries a means to hold back time. It only takes one shortsighted Valenti to separate an entire industry from it's VHS profits.

    It's led to fake claims, a person making a DMCA takedown claim does not need to show any evidence that they are the copyright owner and because the DMCA claim is made to a third party, there is no interest in that third party ensuring the claim has even the basics of legitimacy.

    Dumb shit has been slotted in as copyright clauses, like the UK's no parallel imports, so I can't import Vista from the US, even though its half the price, because it's been made an offence under a copyright statute! Now everyone if claiming copyright to block imports of their products from cheaper markets and UK consumer is getting screwed over paying inflated prices. /rant

  7. at least they got radio deregulation right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure, they screwed this up but their deregulation of the radio industry worked out so well....for a few corporations.

    And the War on Drugs (read marijuana) that they kicked into gear in the 90's and has netted 750,000 pothead arrests a year since ahs worked out well. The prison lobby, police and drug testing and rehab fields are booming.

    Yup, dem dems did real well for their friends.
    Now tell me the story about how both parties are somehow different and are not in the pockets of lobbyists and multinationals:
    I love a good fairy tale.

    1. Re:at least they got radio deregulation right by aurispector · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hooooray! Someone gets it right for a change!

      The US government/constitution had two things going for it that are now in the toilet. The first was an independent press to expose wrongdoing. Since giant corporations control the media what we get as "news" is now heavily filtered. The second is the ability to vote out bad leaders. Since the political process is controlled by political parties that are two sides of the same coin, funded by the aforementioned giant corporations, we don't really get a choice as to who we elect or what the so-called "issues" are. Pretty much the same thing is happening in europe.

      Bottom line: as the western governments squabble over which corporation gets to screw the most people, the chinese are slowly and carefully assuming real power in the world.

      Welcome to the dawn of the totalitarian era.

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  8. Re:An open Letter to the RIAA by SlayerDave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I have no love for the RIAA, I also have absolutely no sympathy for the views expressed in your post. Basically your "argument" goes like this:

    1) You were poor in the 1990s, buying CDs at retail price, but discovering cheaper used CD prices.
    2) You soon refuse to pay higher retail prices, but are still willing to buy used CDs.
    3) You, for unspecified reasons, develop a taste for software piracy.
    4) Morally comfortable with piracy in general, you move on to music piracy.
    5) You would be willing to pay up to $4 per CD at 256kbs VBR.
    6) ???
    7) The RIAA is to blame!

    At no point in there did you make an argument that the RIAA has done anything wrong, except place CDs at a price point you were not comfortable with. You demand that the RIAA allow digital copies of CDs at $4, but will remain a music pirate until that day comes. You admit to being able to easily afford your monthly quota for music on CDs (from which you yourself could generate MP3s fitting your personal requirements), but yet "the labels alienated you", an assertion you never justified or backed up in your post. Am I missing something here?

  9. "DMCA architect?" by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Like most tools of Big Media, he just ripped off someone else's work, namely the English Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.

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  10. The phrase that pay (or doesn't) by hhawk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I loved the quote, " we are entering the "post-copyright" era for music"

    This from the guy who is head of the International Intellectual Property Institute.

    I have maintained since the late 80's that the road to the future on this issue is paying a few cents or a few dimes to verify that your copy is a good copy... and doing that direct with the labels or the bands... but some doing it with anyone they "trust."

    When street "kids" can sell a terabyte of music on a corner like they used to sell crack, then my friend, copyright for this sort of thing will be dead.

    There is one other "blame" besides the two headed griffen of DRM and bad Major Label Music, and that is the Sonny Bono Act and those acts that came before which have strenched out copyright protection so far into the future that let's be honest none of this stuff will ever see the light of the public domain; they killed public domain's cousin too, sweet little Fair Use (but then you knew that!!).

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  11. Re:Wooo! by idugcoal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only difference now is that when a CD doesn't sell, they can blame copying/file sharing, and not simply bad marketing practices.

    And they'd still be wrong! If they could pull their heads out of their overstuffed asses, they'd realize that they're not selling records because they're not making records worth spending money on. Plain and simple. I wish I could go buy a record a week, like I used to do on a teenager's allowance! Today, I could buy new records to my heart's content! But my heart's not content with the content (or lack of) they continue to spew at us.
  12. Re:Welcome to the dawn of the totalitarian era by peragrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So the Chinese head towards a european socialist route they still beat us.

    Capitalism only works well when the competition is strong. you start creating monopolies even short term ones, and competition dries up. Patents, copyrights are federal backed monopolies for a set term.

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  13. Re:An open Letter to the RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How spelled out do you need a person to make his statements for you so that you can understand a simple letter? He shouldn't have to put his thoughts into PowerPoint slides to give nerds the ability to figure them out.

    1) CDs are of no greater value new at the $12-$15 price to him than they are used at the $6 price. This is the fulcrum of his entire argument. If he accepted the price of new CDs because they were set at that point to help overcome starting costs for a new medium, why should he accept it after the medium is fully adopted?

    2) He found other means of getting songs and shows that he knows it isn't right but that he is also willing to spend money on them if they were delivered in a way that reflected the value he has set in his own purchasing already.

    3) He proposed a reasonable system to meet his value with their product and that's a very helpful data point for any company. They try to set their prices at a place that will capture their core audience. (ignore the iPhone, Apple knows they pwnzor joo)

    If you're confused as to how the RIAA could be blamed for any of the reasons he stated, implied, or possibly could have had for his decisions, you really should hand over your Slashdot account to someone who actually reads this site. It is practically the primary theme of any music-related post. Look up what a "meme" is and you're questions will all be answered. And don't worry, he does NOT need to spell out why the RIAA is at fault to the RIAA itself. Using logic is always your first mistake when dealing with hegemonic a-holes.

  14. Exactly. by FatSean · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was complaining to my congresspeople about the potential abuses of this law, long before it was signed into law. This jackass ignored a multitude of experts and bought the corporate line. To your hell with this guy, he's an even bigger bitch for trying to skate on his responsibility.

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  15. Re:Wooo! by omeomi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And they'd still be wrong! If they could pull their heads out of their overstuffed asses, they'd realize that they're not selling records because they're not making records worth spending money on.

    That's not really true, though. There are a lot of really great records coming out every year. Problem is, the ones that the record companies market are often the same-old same-old unimaginative pop crap, or the "alternative" stuff that has basically just become pop 2.0. There's still a ton of great music out there, you just have to search to find the records worth spending money on.

  16. Old habits are hard to die.. by SuperCharlie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FTFA: "While he says that teens have lost respect for copyright, he lays much of the blame at the feet of the recording industry for their failure to adapt to the online marketplace in the mid-1990s."

    This is the entire RIAA problem in a nutshell and I completely agree that *this* is the root of their problem *and* our problem.

    They made a choice. They made this choice when Napster (the old Napster, not the castrated one) showed the world how to share, point, click, and download.

    The choice was to hold on to their legacy distrobution cash cow and go screaming, kicking and clawing their way into the internet age instead of seeing the digital tsunami heading their direction.

    Their problem now is that theyre loosing their brick and mortar base *and* the digital distrobution war and the only way the can maintain any semblance of their arcane business model is to sue the masses into submission, which of course will never work.

    The entire DRM/DMCA/RIAA battle was lost before it began. Those who cant evolve become irrelavent and extinct sooner or later...

  17. Not what he is saying. by pavon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Note that he never actually said that he thought that the goals or methods of the DMCA were a bad idea and never apologized to the public for passing it - he simply pointed out that it failed to achieve those goals. In other words, his repeated attempts to pander to the RIAA failed because the RIAA members refused to help themselves.

  18. Re:Wooo! by IDontAgreeWithYou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the sixties, old people didn't like the Beatles and the Rolling Stones. In the seventies, old people didn't like Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath or disco for that matter. In the eighties, old people didn't like Metallica or Guns n' Roses or Run DMC. In the nineties, old people didn't like Nirvana and Pearl Jam or Dr. Dre or NWA. Congratulations!!! It's 2007 and you're an old person!!!

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  19. Re:Wooo! by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Through all of those decades, as I got older and older, I liked every one of those. I've got CDs or LPs of every one of those bands except Run DMC.

    Now I'm only slightly older, and there is rarely anything on the mainstream music charts that is anywhere as good as any of those. I haven't changed that much in the last few years. I know what's good and what's crap. I can tell what bands are real and what bands have been prefabricated by the record companies based on focus groups.

    If there were some new musical style on the pop charts that I just "didn't get", maybe you'd have a point. However, that's not the case. Most everything I see is a poor derivative of various genres that were already done better the first time around.

    In fact, one of the main problems is probably that the big record companies are too conservative and stick with the same tired formulas rather than finding new music directions that alienate old people for the right reasons. As it stands, what they're doing is alienating everyone because it's just crap. It's no wonder CD sales are plummeting.

  20. Re:Wooo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The difference is that all those groups were formed by artists to make music, and they happened to make it big. Most pop today is produced, start to finish, and boy does it show. We oldsters simply reached the limit of how much artificiality we could take.

    Now you occasionally get a good dance tune out of produced groups: one of the first of these, C&C Music Factory, people are still dancing to, particularly one track of theirs. Did anyone listen to any of their other crap though? And crap it was.

    Occasionally a produced popstar breaks out and does their own thing and it actually works. Christina Aguilera is actually producing interesting music now (still pop but so's Madonna)

  21. Re:Here's where you lost them (and me) by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Burning a CD of songs for my friends is fucking fair use to me.
    Think about that for a minute. You've got such a convenient way to rationalize this:

    And where I live, it is LEGAL. I have 20 gigs worth of MP3s, all legally downloaded from P2P networks, ripped from CDs borrowed from friends or the public libraries.

    And the best thing is that it allows me to do my little part to destroy those big music companies, all legally.