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MS No Cathedral, Open Source No Bazaar?
AlexGr sends us to InternetNews.com for an account of a Microsoft VP demonstrating Microsoft's ASP.NET AJAX product running on Ubuntu at AJAXWorld. In his earlier keynote, Brad Abrams had declared that, when it comes to AJAX, Microsoft is not the cathedral and open source isn't really a bazaar. He noted that ASP.NET AJAX is available under Microsoft's permissive license with full source code. "The Web is built on open standards and we at Microsoft believe that we have to enable those open standards," Abrams said.
at Microsoft or they're hiring stand-up comedians.
This is the company that wanted to decommoditize standards and protocols, yet they come out with the line "The Web is built on open standards and we at Microsoft believe that we have to enable those open standards"
How can it not be? You don't think that this is a major shift for them, even if it is just one product so far? Of course nevermind that VS2005 defaults to strict XHTML 1.1 code.
They cannot release Win2k source code; doing so would violate their agreement with Sun following the Java lawsuit. Win2k binaries aren't even available on MSDN anymore. Basically, if you don't already have a Win2k disc, you're not going to get one.
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http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaa
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http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar /
Written by Eric Raymond about the differences between open and closed source, pretty much.
If we can hit that bull's-eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate.
AFAIK, the original CatB is not so much about open vs closed source, rather than those two models used in open source context - e.g. the original GNU project was more a Cathedral, while Linux was a Bazaar.
This is an (indirect) reference to Eric S. Raymond's seminal paper, "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" (actual essay is here), in which he talks about software development being done in one of two ways, by huge development companies in commercial environments, being similar to the way medieval cathedrals were constructed, versus open-source development in which just about anyone can get involved if they want, and that development is closer to the typical bazaars where anyone can walk up and put up a booth to sell rugs. It is this paper that was basically the cause of Netscape deciding to open-source its browser.
The lessons of history teach us - if they teach us anything - that nobody learns the lessons that history teaches us.
Speaking of standards:
* "Microsoft breaks with standards effort" 03-25-2003
* "Microsoft quits W3C standardisation panel" 03/24/2003
How about a free and open standard in gaming?
* "Microsoft DirectX killing innovation" 03-27-2003
OK, how about a more recent example then. Such as... OpenXML vs OpenDocument.
I'm sure you can find plenty of articles on slashdot for this one.
In order not to get further into a flamewar, it'll try to get technical.
Let's say we need to build an infrastructure on the open protocols mentioned above. While there're plenty of alternatives, one can propose Active Directory can also do the job well (this does not mean it's best or anything).
The required setup is done less than an hour, and will require a (less competent) system administrator for maintenance in the long run.
(It can be argued that the Linux side will require a more educated - i.e: more expensive - system administrator, and preparation of many site specific scripts and configurations - yet this may not seem objective for some people).
Don't misunderstand I'm not proposing converting all the systems to AD. I'm telling AD is also a fine solution based on open protocols.
Humm, I won't even quote that one.
1) Just because you can do it easily doesn't mean you can do it right
2) Have you ever tried using NDS ?
3) Try using Exim instead of sendmail. You can do the "configuration" in 2 minutes or less.
I hate LDAP as much as I hate Windows AD. Even tho I don't like Novell, NDS is still the best directory server around (when you want to handle multiple platforms). Btw, unless I'm much mistaken, Novell was the one to invent directory services in the first place.
(btw, my current setups all use mysql backends, not any kind of DS)
morcego
XmlHTTPRequest was first used Outlook Web Access. In one step microsoft took the web from klugey JVM and form based web apps to asynchronous, dynamic, loosely coupled, non-modal web apps. If you even took the slightest amount of time to look it up you'd know this.
Do you enjoy writing fiction and lies?
"XmlHTTPRequest was first used Outlook Web Access"
And that's where it would have stayed.
Oh, wait, maybe it would have developed further - Windows Update might have used it...
Not to mention that some malware author probably would have used it at some point...
It was OSS who DEVELOPED the whole NOTION of AJAX - who cares about XmlHTTPRequest alone?
Look around you, Windows shill. There are tons of OSS AJAX toolkits. Who cares about the Microsoft one with the
permissive license"?
That moron can't even understand the point of OSS licensing when he says the word "permissive".
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