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How Small a PC Is Too Small?

Banner~! recommends an article in IBTimes on the search for the ideal size for an ultraportable computer. One device mentioned is Paul Allen's FlipStart, discussed here recently. After watching early users fumble and nearly drop an early version of the FlipStart while trying to perform a three-finger salute, designers ended up including a single key labeled "CtrlAltDel" in the version that will be shipping soon. From the article: "Each device maker... has a different sense of how small an ultra-mobile can get before it becomes impossible to use. For instance, Microsoft thinks the tiniest screen possible measures 7 inches diagonally, but FlipStart Labs settled on 5.6 inches."

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  1. These are not PC issues, but Windows issues. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    While there are many UI design problems with Small Form Factor computers (particularly general purpose input), the issues in the article appear to be with Microsoft products, not Small FF PCs in general. From TFA:

    Watching users fumble and nearly drop an early version of the FlipStart compact PC...The culprit was the three-key sequence, Control-Alt-Delete, required to log off or reboot a Windows PC.
    Well, that's a windows issue, not a PC issue. The solution? (You can tell FlipStart is a project from one of the founders' of Microsoft):

    early adopters might get a kick out of FlipStart's solution: a dedicated key marked "Ctrl Alt Del."
    Brilliant. Utterly Brilliant. This is similar to having a problem with your kitchen floor being wet due to a leaking roof & building a floor-mopping robot as a solution.
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    1. Re:These are not PC issues, but Windows issues. by Jartan · · Score: 4, Funny

      To those who don't use windows anymore it's only fair to point out that you can't reboot a computer anymore by pressing ctrl-alt-delete. It's only a hotkey to open the task manager.

      Of course one could argue though that microsoft finally broke the only known fix for windows when they implemented this "feature".

    2. Re:These are not PC issues, but Windows issues. by JensenDied · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ctrl - Shift - Esc is a shortcut to open the task manager.

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    3. Re:These are not PC issues, but Windows issues. by Jartan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ctrl - Shift - Esc is a shortcut to open the task manager.


      This is windows. They prolly did a study and found that having multiple shortcuts to open task manager increased productivity so you can end task faster.
    4. Re:These are not PC issues, but Windows issues. by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ctrl + Alt + Del doesn't open the Task Manager on all versions of Windows, just "Home" versions. "Pro" or "Business/Enterprise/Ultimate" versions instead have a menu which allows you to launch the task manager, log off, switch user, lock the computer, or change your password.

    5. Re:These are not PC issues, but Windows issues. by Torvaun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I remember my computing history, Ctrl-Alt-Del was picked because that was a keystroke combination that would never be accidentally pressed. There was nothing even close to it that did anything. The whole point was to be intentional.

      Now they want to put it on a single button, surrounded by other tiny buttons? Someone had a real winner of an idea there...

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    6. Re:These are not PC issues, but Windows issues. by Baddas · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're wrong. I'd post a screenshot, but I'm lazy. Here's a knowledge base article:
      http://support.microsoft.com/kb/281980
      This discusses what you're talking about, which is opening task manager. That only happens when you've got it set up to use the 'Welcome' screen. The rest of the time, it pops up a little widget that has

      (Lock Computer) (Log Off) (Shut Down)
      (Change Password) (Task Manager) (Cancel)

      buttons on it.

    7. Re:These are not PC issues, but Windows issues. by sessamoid · · Score: 5, Informative
      And the funny (or sad?) thing is that this is only "necessary" in Windows because of all the crap that Windows can get infected with. Neither Linux nor OSX needed to implement the ctrl-alt-del scheme.
      OS X uses Command-Option-Escape, which can be activated easily with a thumb and middle finger of the same hand. I don't have to use it often, but things to hang in any OS. Force Quit issues a kill command to the offending application.
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    8. Re:These are not PC issues, but Windows issues. by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 5, Funny

      This "menu" is known as the "Task Manager" in XP and above.
      That's illogical. If one of the things the menu leads to is task manager, how can it be task manager? Task manager manager would make more sense. Or senior VP of tasks.
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    9. Re:These are not PC issues, but Windows issues. by TeknoHog · · Score: 5, Informative

      It was there in the BIOS of DOS machines, hardwired to soft reboot, before Windows even existed. Wikipedia seems to confirm my memories.

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  2. You know your PCs too small when... by bluemonq · · Score: 4, Funny

    * You need a million-dollar electron microscope to see the screen
    * Sneezing anywhere near it wipes out the RAID array
    * You confuse it with a prophylactic
    * Ants use it to jumpstart their own nuclear weapon program for their holy war against the termites

    1. Re:You know your PCs too small when... by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Funny

      * You confuse it with a prophylactic

      Zouch! I feel really sorry for your girlfriend* if you thought small & the first thing that sprang into your mind was a prophylactic.

      * Yes, yes. This is slashdot, what am I thinking?

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  3. Control Alt by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    designers ended up including a single key labeled "CtrlAltDel" in the version that will be shipping soon.

    I bet that key will get worn out first ;-)

    I've found a similar shortcut; just click the Internet Explorer 7 icon, and the resulting crash reboots for me.

  4. The wave of the future. by Eq+7-2521 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Fly Pentop Computer! http://www.flypentop.com/

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  5. FlipOff by dotslashdot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since they reduced the 3 finger salute (ctrl-alt-delete) to a 1 finger salute, they should rename it "FlipOff".

  6. That's not too small a computer by artifex2004 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's too big an OS. Or at least too big an interface.

    This should be obvious. Does it really make sense to load a huge OS like Windows, with all its carryover behaviors for backwards compatibility, for something that really should have its own methodology?

  7. Re:Sticky qualifiers! by normuser · · Score: 5, Funny

    The keyboard on my pc has a similar feature. When you push a qualifier key once it stays depressed. To release the sticky keys you lift one side of the keyboard three inches above the desk and drop it.

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  8. Re:Not time yet by statemachine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're not having a problem with resolution. It has nothing to do with 1200x800 or any other screen resolution. Instead, you're having trouble reading the text because the font size is too small.

  9. Wrong tree by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The size of the actual computer is of absolutely no importance whatsoever. What matters is the size of the input and output components. These are the interfaces to humans and must exist on a human size scale, i.e. large enough to handle.
    So as long as you need a keyboard, the keys must be large enough to press, and the entire keyboard must be large enough to comfortably hold. But if you think virtual keyboards, i.e. one projected into the air, on a HUD, or on a table (the later exists as a Palm Pilot accessory), then the size of the actual hardware again is irrelevant, the size of the virtual "keys" is what matters.

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  10. I'm not entirely sure how... by TheBlunderbuss · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but I think this is related: http://imdb.com/title/tt0374020/

  11. 11.87" by Kris_J · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's do the math. A pixel count of 1024 across and 600 down is about the minimum you need for there to be any point in the computer running a full version of Windows. Above 100dpi and you're going to need to increase the default font sizes (which means its fairly pointless to go any higher). End result: 11.87 inches on the diagonal is about the minimum for anything serious. Below that you're going to need better than average eyesight or you're going to be scrolling sideways all the time.

  12. Can not be too small. by bm_luethke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is no realistic way that a PC can be too small. As long as it so small it is easily lost it is just fine - I would *love* one that could hang on my key chain.

    What *can* be too small is the interface. I do not like a tiny screen nor do I like a tiny keyboard (or other input device). I have quite large hands, even the smaller "full size" keyboards are uncomfortable and only useful as a portable device, not my main one.

    I have seen keyboard solutions that are OK - some project a keyboard on a flat surface and optically(? I do not think the descriptions said and I have never used one and that seems about the only feasible way) sense where you fingers hit. Other than some RSI problems with my finger hitting a hard surface (and that is fixable for a permanent station) that can be made to be any size or layout.

    I also prefer small text, but I prefer that on a larger screen. I am currently using a 15" LCD and that is about as small as I comfortably go. I do not like writing much code in it either, my 21" monitor went kaput and this is all I could currently get. A 17" screen is the smallest "normal" lcd I like and I prefer a 19". I know of no current technology to fix this one, but there is no reason it can not be fixed.

    Of course, that is for what I would call everyday use. If your computing power is in a small package there is no reason you can not have a docking station for full size stuff and quite small for carry around. I *can* hit some very small keys with a stylus and use a very small screen (lets face it, many of us currently do - or did - with the palm tops). That is nice for something I pull out of my pocket and use for a few minutes. Add in a few larger keys to mash and I can even game, navigate for MP3's, use a cell phone, add something to a calendar, or other typical small device things with large easy to use buttons. At that point I would consider the size my finger can reliably hit and the number of buttons to be the limit (small could use a stylus, but I do not like that idea for simple frequently used functions).

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  13. Nokia N800: pretty real, and fits in shirt pocket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This thing (N800) is an update to the older Nokia 770. It's a wonderful little gizmo - it runs an ARM port of a Debian variant, so lots of SW is getting ported. It's powerful enough to feel like a "real" computer, although it still has the standard PDA input limitations unless you spring for a bluetooth keyboard.

    It has included opera (800 px wide screen so you can actually view most web pages without horizontal scrolling, unlike all the 320x200 PDAs). You can ssh into it and use VNC and run opera and gnumeric and lots of Linux software.

    The included mp3 player software sucks, but there are already better alternatives provided by the community. Battery life is quite good compared to my old Ipaq - 8+ hrs of active web browsing on low backlight (maybe 2-3 on high), and ~8 days of standby time without turning it off.

    Disclaimer: I have no association with Nokia. I just like the device.

  14. Sorry, no. by DrYak · · Score: 4, Informative

    This simply isn't true. A system used to run Linux with X, a desktop and some typical end-user applications (say Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice) requires more resources than an XP system with IE, OutlookExpress, Office.


    Sorry, what are you sources ?

    First, or course, if you go for the memory hogs like OOo or FireFox (whose caching function is both a blessing for quick history rewind and a curse in terms of ressource), the whole stack GNOME + FireFox + ThunderBird + OOo. Can eat some memory.
    Incidently that's what I'm running (minus GNOME. I prefere KDE). Also with additionnal software like Gaim and several daemons, including BOINC. Without troubles. On a 8 years old 440BX-based machine (which only beefed up memory and processor since then).

    To be fair, if you go for that route, then your XP system should also have included an Anti-Virus (with on access scanning, not ClamWin), an Anti-Spyware, a decent FireWall (zonealarm or such) some popup/ads filtering tool (Or should use FireFox+Adblock too). These are required for any typical Windows installation and are memory hogs too. (I could be cynical and add that the typical Windows installation also has at least a couple of trojans pumping spam).

    And in my personnal experience, the Windows setup tends to be less responsive.

    Studies done by others show that a machine with 128MB would be happy with most Linux situations, and with a swap and some sensible choice (I'm not speaking about using WMaker and browsing with lynx. I'm saying using KDE and K-applications for the rest to re-use dynamique libraries) even less memory could still be usable.
    Actually this situation I use under Linux is one of the worst possible permutation (Simultaneously run KDE, GTK, XUL, and OOo's stacks) and somehow it mnage to do well enough.
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  15. Re:Nokia N800: pretty real, and fits in shirt pock by Sleepy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I second this opinion.

    Almost 3 years ago I opted for a "converged" phone, a Samsung SCH-i700 PDA phone from Verizon. It was pretty nice, but DAILY use exposed the shortcomings of using a handheld as a phone. Yet there were times that the device was pretty damn convenient, when I needed to Remote Desktop, VNC, or get a "more featured" browser.

    Nokia realized that putting a phone in a PDA is dumb, and they have avoided this mistake in their N series tablets. Until wireless data is universal and cheap, there's no point building the expense of a PHONE into your PDA. There's even less point in using a PDA as a phone.

    Things are better today -- you can get a "normal" phone with data, and bluetooth modem support. Your PDA becomes "agnostic" about who provides the data layer - 802.11, bluetooth, or the US cell phone cartels. It doesn't matter anymore. Now you have real choices.

    The Nokia N800 is the closest thing now to a perfect portable Internet tablet. You don't need to know Linux. It just "works". Developers are finding the device is a DREAM to develop on, combining Linux + GTK to make an open platform for anyone to use and develop on. Desktop Linux apps are being polished and ported over. And applications like 'Maemo Mapper (GPS)' are awesomely free.

    You don't get a lot of free apps with Windows CE platforms... and many of the free apps there suffer from developer disinterest. WinCE software dies when the author becomes too busy with life/etc, while Linux and GPL software has a life all its own.

    Some will complain about the N800's lack of CDMA/G3 data support, but this is GOOD -- really that is what your phone is for. Same thing with the keyboard... buy your OWN bluetooth keyboard if you want one. This was these 2 features do not bulk up the dimensions of the device.

    If you want a "bigger" tablet, the Pepper Pad 3 seems interesting. If you want something that is truly portable, the Nokia N800 is the platform to beat now.

    PS - the media player isn't horrible, but it suffers from limitations like any closed source media player. The media player has GOOD format support... many formats except no OGG support. The free 'Canola' media player offers a MythTV-like interface, touchscreen, and it plays just about anything you throw at it. Video performance on this is VERY good for a handheld.

    Oh yeah, there's a webcamera built in and meeting software. Now we have to wait for Skype and GnomeMeeting so we can ditch the Nokia meeting app... :-)